Sorry, what? I have literally no idea what this post means...
then disregard my first reply.
If you are inside your car and someone tries to forcibly enter it, then you have the same rights as if you were defending your home. You can and should assume that person has a deadly weapon and intends to kill you or do great bodily harm that could kill you. This is the definition of a reason to use deadly force.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks KK wasn't being serious.
Depends. Is car vital to your livelihood or not. In general i wouldn't shoot someone over property because life means more than property. OTOH you steal someones OX in Afghanistan whole family might die of starvation and thief deserves to die.
There's no assumption, I'm telling you for a fact that in this instance the criminal isn't armed.
let's start simply:
did you seek the thief out, or did the thief seek you out?
Of course there is assumption. That's simply how it will play out in the real world. Dude isn't going to come up to you and prove that he is unarmed, before demanding to take your car. That is simply preposterous.
Personal possessions are replaceable.
Human life isn't
People change
No one should have the right to end someone else's life
A thief is just like you but down on his luck.
5 for now.
The person doesn't have a deadly weapon he poses no threat to you, this you know. This is fact, this was in the OP.
Look your entire argument lies on the premise that human life is worth more than property. I'm telling you that property is an extension of ones life and that the willingness to forcibly separate someone from their property is completely devaluing the worth of life. The thief is stating, by their actions, that said property is more valuable to them than the time I spent in my life to achieve it, saying my life is worthless in comparison to said property.Makes no sense.
Agreed.
An extension of your life being taken from you doesn't warrant executing the taker. Particularly if that part of your life is completely replaceable.
if he doesn't have a weapon, then how is he going to carjack you?
You are now officially playing make believe. This isn't Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. This is real life. People who carjack have weapons. People who carjack will kill you for your car.
What if you do not have insurance and cannot afford to buy a new vehicle? Then you could lose your job and your home in addition to your car!
The thief should think about that before he tries to steal someone's car.
My car should not be part of someone else's reabilitation program.
What about in self defense?
How do you know that? That is a HUGE assumption.
You are going to need to find some valid ones.
MotionMan
Because human life is more valuable than any possession.
if he doesn't have a weapon, then how is he going to carjack you?
You are now officially playing make believe. This isn't Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. This is real life. People who carjack have weapons. People who carjack will kill you for your car.
He sought out a car.
if he doesn't have a weapon, then how is he going to carjack you?
You are now officially playing make believe. This isn't Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. This is real life. People who carjack have weapons. People who carjack will kill you for your car.
Look your entire argument lies on the premise that human life is worth more than property. I'm telling you that property is an extension of ones life and that the willingness to forcibly separate someone from their property is completely devaluing the worth of life. The thief is stating, by their actions, that said property is more valuable to them than the time I spent in my life to achieve it, saying my life is worthless in comparison to said property.
The thief is the one devaluing human life, not I.
There's no assumption, I'm telling you for a fact that in this instance the criminal isn't armed.
seriously. if a carjacker poses no threat to me I'm locking my doors.
SRSLY HAL, we are not fucking responsible for someone elses' bad decisions.
He's going to use his big sexy muscles and an angry face.
They are stating: Your life is worthless, You property is worthless: Your time is worthless etc etc. But if someone came up to me in the street and shouted that at me I wouldn't shoot them in the face. Regardless of how much they devalued me.
I totally agree. Dumb ass thief shouldn't have valued my possessions over his life.
again, it was his choice.
seriously. if a carjacker poses no threat to me I'm locking my doors.
SRSLY HAL, we are not fucking responsible for someone elses' bad decisions.
yep. and he found my car. so, he now put the both of us in this particular situation.
do you agree?
Then how is he jacking the car? "Hi. Will you please get out of the car so I can steal it?"
If he begins a physical assault to remove the person he just became a threat to their life. You don't know what he's going to do and violence always carries with it the possibility of death.
Because words != actions. Ever heard the phrase "actions speak louder than words"? Telling me my life is worthless and then acting upon it are two very very different things. One would think someone with a 1st world education would understand this.