If someone tries to steal your car should you have the right to shoot and kill them?

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HAL9000

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Oct 17, 2010
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Instead of charging into 3 men with knives, I would pull out my 12ga and go to town.


That's the difference between you and I neckbeard. I'll let AT decide who is wiser.

The difference between us is that you would happily kill someone for stealing a car, and I think my car isn't worth someones life. That's the difference between you and I dick1985, I'll let AT decide who is the better person.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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The difference between us is that you would happily kill someone for stealing a car, and I think my car isn't worth someones life. That's the difference between you and I dick1985, I'll let AT decide who is the better person.

I see what you did there, very clever.

Obviously 2/3 of AT thinks I'm the better person for defending my property. 2/3 of AT thinks you are a big fat pussy
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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I see what you did there, very clever.

Obviously 2/3 of AT thinks I'm the better person for defending my property. 2/3 of AT thinks you are a big fat pussy

Well I'd disagree with you there, this thread's poll isn't called "if you wouldn't kill someone over a car are you a big fat pussy" now is it?
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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Generally they don't shoot unless they absolutely have to. If I grabbed a handful of chips at a Vegas casino and ran, they wouldn't open fire on me. Actual human beings are generally against the taking of the life of another. People who are able to devalue human life, aren't themselves human in my opinion. They're monsters.

Uh, if you grab a bag of cash or a tray of chips, they'll gun you down before they let you get away. It's happened before. Same with damaging\stealing art at major museums.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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Well I'd disagree with you there, this thread's poll isn't called "if you wouldn't kill someone over a car are you a big fat pussy" now is it?

Would you kindly create that poll so we can see where this goes?
 
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this world is fucked up enough already with criminals striking with no fear because the chances of getting caught are low enough, it's worth taking the risk. and even if you do get caught, you're in jail for a couple of years and out again.
the consequences aren't enough of a deterrent to stop criminal activity.

if killing a few of them sends a message to the rest, which means a better quality of life for the majority, then I'm for it.
fuck them.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I am sure I would WANT to shoot them. But, I don't believe that is the "right" thing to do at all, and I don't think anybody should have the right to kill them.

Any individual who tries to steal a car is gonna be really fvcked up. (Kids brought up by shitty parents, or some kind of cokehead or crackhead, or just some thugs who are trying to make some profitssss.)
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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Would you kindly create that poll so we can see where this goes?

That's not how I roll, I would call that a "troll" thread.

this world is fucked up enough already with criminals striking with no fear because the chances of getting caught are low enough, it's worth taking the risk. and even if you do get caught, you're in jail for a couple of years and out again.
the consequences aren't enough of a deterrent to stop criminal activity.

if killing a few of them sends a message to the rest, which means a better quality of life for the majority, then I'm for it.
fuck them.

It's not your job to deter, you aren't a judge, it's not your decision to make you have no right to punish people for the actions as you see fit, particularly not killing them.
 

sadffffff

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Because odds are you aren't going to get your property back? And you may have injured\killed in the process?

you shoudl also think about the mental side effects of ending another man's life.

its easy to consider a theif as worthless scum on the surface but after you kill him, for years you may start to think about what kind of man he was. his life leading up to that moment. did he have a family a wife, kids? what might have he accomplished later in life? why he was doing it? did he have a good reason to steal a car. maybe he needed to get to an injured person and lost his head, didnt think to ask for help, or call? this might haunt a person and injure you more than a broken nose from an unarmed car jacking.
 

thraashman

Lifer
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you shoudl also think about the mental side effects of ending another man's life.

its easy to consider a theif as worthless scum on the surface but after you kill him, for years you may start to think about what kind of man he was. his life leading up to that moment. did he have a family a wife, kids? what might have he accomplished later in life? why he was doing it? did he have a good reason to steal a car. maybe he needed to get to an injured person and lost his head, didnt think to ask for help, or call? this might haunt a person and injure you more than a broken nose from an unarmed car jacking.

I think we've already determined quite well that the type of person who would outright murder a person over something as simple as a car is a sociopath with little to no human emotions. They're monsters plain and simple.

I'm beginning to think we'll hear sometime in early November about a 26 year old man named Nick who gunned down 2 12 year old trick or treaters because they egged his house and he claimed they were armed with a pitch fork and a scythe. Because to him human life is obviously worth less than property.
 

nick1985

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I'm beginning to think we'll hear sometime in early November about a 26 year old man named Nick who gunned down 2 12 year old trick or treaters because they egged his house and he claimed they were armed with a pitch fork and a scythe. Because to him human life is obviously worth less than property.

Oh yeah, you totally have my number! Good one!

 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Oh yeah, you totally have my number! Good one!


Every single thing you've said in this thread so far shows a complete disregard for human life. You've shown the mentality of a man with a threadbare hold on reality who would kill indiscriminantly if you even temporarilty felt that a dime worth of your material possessions was threatened. All I'm doing is putting your own words more succinctly and looking at it from the perspective of a human being who cares about human life.
 

alkemyst

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Every single thing you've said in this thread so far shows a complete disregard for human life. You've shown the mentality of a man with a threadbare hold on reality who would kill indiscriminantly if you even temporarilty felt that a dime worth of your material possessions was threatened. All I'm doing is putting your own words more succinctly and looking at it from the perspective of a human being who cares about human life.

People play alter-egos on the internet it seems.
 

FDF12389

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I'd fight, possibly also with knives, would I kill them? no.

As someone with experience in various martial arts, I can say with authority, you're full of shit.

You're seriously trying to tell us that if 3 guys broke into your house with knives you would defend your property, with a knife, without killing these three men? How the fuck would you do that exactly?
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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you shoudl also think about the mental side effects of ending another man's life.

its easy to consider a theif as worthless scum on the surface but after you kill him, for years you may start to think about what kind of man he was. his life leading up to that moment. did he have a family a wife, kids? what might have he accomplished later in life? why he was doing it? did he have a good reason to steal a car. maybe he needed to get to an injured person and lost his head, didnt think to ask for help, or call? this might haunt a person and injure you more than a broken nose from an unarmed car jacking.

Aside from being involved in 2 shootings as a civilian, I'm in the Army. I promise I'm not kept up at night by the idea of dead crooks or terrorists\hajis.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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No one uses a firearm to wound a person. Shoot to kill. The Dead can't testify but the wounded can
 
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nick1985

Lifer
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Every single thing you've said in this thread so far shows a complete disregard for human life. You've shown the mentality of a man with a threadbare hold on reality who would kill indiscriminantly if you even temporarilty felt that a dime worth of your material possessions was threatened. All I'm doing is putting your own words more succinctly and looking at it from the perspective of a human being who cares about human life.

Nah, you just can't grasp the idea of defending your own property. You feel it is immoral to do so. I don't.
 

thraashman

Lifer
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Aside from being involved in 2 shootings as a civilian, I'm in the Army. I promise I'm not kept up at night by the idea of dead crooks or terrorists\hajis.

The fact that you've been involved in two shootings scares me. I live in a major city. Used to work downtown in that city. Have friends and family that live in major cities and very bad cities. I know a good number of people. I literally do not know a single person who has ever been involved in a civilian shooting (had to clarify civilian as I have family that's been in the Marines). And you've been involved in two? Things like that make me question if you're the type of person who's the problem here. Are you the type of nut who just starts shooting at the slightest provocation? A vast majority of people will never be involved in one and you've been involved in two? That's not something to be proud of you know.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Well here in my country they normally break into your home while your sleeping rape you kill your wife then steal your car. Or they just wait for you at the robot and hijack it especially if your driving a fancy car with a fancy coded key. But its not over them. No they don't use it to do a gone in 60 seconds some mob boss buying them. They use it to pull a armed robbery or to commit a violent offence which always ends up in more lifes of the innocent being lost. So don't think about it as nailing him for a piece of property think of it as how many lifes you safe.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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The fact that you've been involved in two shootings scares me. I live in a major city. Used to work downtown in that city. Have friends and family that live in major cities and very bad cities. I know a good number of people. I literally do not know a single person who has ever been involved in a civilian shooting (had to clarify civilian as I have family that's been in the Marines). And you've been involved in two? Things like that make me question if you're the type of person who's the problem here. Are you the type of nut who just starts shooting at the slightest provocation? A vast majority of people will never be involved in one and you've been involved in two? That's not something to be proud of you know.

I use to be a cop. 4 of my co workers was driving in visible policing vehicle doing patrols. A guy pulled out a R5 assault rifle firing while walking the vehicle till the clip of 25 rounds were empty. 3 was badly wounded 1s knees were shot of. One knees were dislocated from the force of the projectile when he took two in the butt. One had to go for a skin graph from one round hitting his arm.
 
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