If there was an android phone with a cooling fan would you buy it?

zaza

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If the cooling fan was hidden inside like this:
(this was an old apple patent for internal phone cooling that never made it into real iphones)
Hypothetical:
The company who made this actively cooled phone took care not to tell anyone there was a fan inside. They knew people would freak out, as in "lololol a fan inside a phone? For what? Phones don't get hot anyway."
This is because most people don't even know that phones throttle (and some phones much more than others). Most people just use their phone for calling, messaging, browsing the net, taking selfies, etc. The only place where heat throttling would show is in graphically intensive games, and again most people won't know cause most play casual 2D games, and the ones who do play graphically intensive games do so on iphones which don't throttle because of how well the games are optimized, and the few people who would play graphically intensive games on android don't care if they throttle and become unplayable cause they don't see mobile as a real gaming platform to begin with.
So this company that released this phone starts getting flak once people realize there's this extra hardware inside that everyone hates for no particular reason, the phone fails miserably in sales despite being the only android phone in the market that doesn't exhibit heat throttling, and from then on every phone manufacturer vows never to do this kind of thing again.
The End.
 
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Zodiark1593

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Any sort of real-life applications that requires an unthrottled device for an extended period? If game developers really start pushing visuals on mobile (Crysis for mobile anyone?), or for some reason unknown we decide to start doing ray-tracing on our phones, then I can see a purpose.

Would actually work pretty well in a reference design though. I could see a company like Qualcomm doing this to give OEMs and reviewers an idea of performance unthrottles, and such phones aren't typically sold in retail channels anyway.
 

zaza

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http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/iphone-6-and-6-plus-in-deep-with-apples-thinnest-phones/3/





And to be on topic, I probably wouldn't care - if it's only on when needed, and otherwise dead silent (for example, not making noise during a call).

I didn't say iphones don't throttle. I said they don't throttle during games. Game devs take care that the code is so well optimized on ios so it doesn't put a heavy load on iphone hardware so neither CPU nor GPU ever reaches throttling temperatures.
 

zaza

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No. Fans are notorious points of failure. Wouldn't pay a dime for it.

If you drop your phone and the fan stops working, then you will have a normal phone with no cooling, just like you initially wanted it
 

JeffMD

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I think we could possibly look into a line of thicker phones with increased processing power, especially if we want android to become a powerful handheld we always dream about.

However, the consumer phone market is notorious for expressing about how irreparable it designs its phones, and that phone makers want you to trade in a phone if it breaks for a new one (but not make it so hard that they cant refurbish them and resell it). Adding a moving part like a fan would just shorten the life of a phones usefulness.
 
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If the cooling fan was hidden inside like this:
(this was an old apple patent for internal phone cooling that never made it into real iphones)
Hypothetical:
The company who made this actively cooled phone took care not to tell anyone there was a fan inside. They knew people would freak out, as in "lololol a fan inside a phone? For what? Phones don't get hot anyway."
This is because most people don't even know that phones throttle (and some phones much more than others). Most people just use their phone for calling, messaging, browsing the net, taking selfies, etc. The only place where heat throttling would show is in graphically intensive games, and again most people won't know cause most play casual 2D games, and the ones who do play graphically intensive games do so on iphones which don't throttle because of how well the games are optimized, and the few people who would play graphically intensive games on android don't care if they throttle and become unplayable cause they don't see mobile as a real gaming platform to begin with.
So this company that released this phone starts getting flak once people realize there's this extra hardware inside that everyone hates for no particular reason, the phone fails miserably in sales despite being the only android phone in the market that doesn't exhibit heat throttling, and from then on every phone manufacturer vows never to do this kind of thing again.
The End.

Dude, here you go again with the fan in a phone thing again. A spinning, noise creating object in something you put up to your ear and communicate on? Fans break very easily, one tumble and there goes your fan. Also, the strongest selling phone on the market does just fine without a fan, I truly doubt any android manufacturers are clamoring to make a thicker, louder, and more fragile phone to benefit exactly ONE user who thinks his phone is slow because the gpu is overheating and it needs a fan, not because it's like 3 generations old (a galaxy s from like 2012, right?)
 
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Artdeco

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I bought a Retina MacBook and one of the reasons I bought it was because it has no fan.
 

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I didn't say iphones don't throttle. I said they don't throttle during games. Game devs take care that the code is so well optimized on ios so it doesn't put a heavy load on iphone hardware so neither CPU nor GPU ever reaches throttling temperatures.

This is ENTIRELY dependant on the game and the devs.

Make a game more demanding GPU wise and it will throttle, it isn't hard benchmarks do it all the time.
 

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If you have a flagship phone that doesn't throttle under any circumstances, the SoC is seriously underclocked. Because most use cases don't require the SoC to run at full power for extended periods, it makes more sense to have something with a higher clock speed so that it is capable of running more quickly when the user occasionally needs it to in order to provide a better user experience.
 

sweenish

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Mods should close this thread, OP already has a thread about this.

OP also trolls.
 

core2slow

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Stupidest idea I've ever heard. As if battery life isn't bad enough, let's stick an active cooling solution in there to reduce the battery life to an hour a day.
 

zaza

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Stupidest idea I've ever heard. As if battery life isn't bad enough, let's stick an active cooling solution in there to reduce the battery life to an hour a day.
As an engineer I guarantee you the fan will not affect battery life in the slightest.

Plus you can look at the Shield Portable, it had a big cooling fan and still a much longer battery life than any rivals.
 

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I can't see how this would be done considering most people put a case on their phone and a fan would be pretty useless if the phone was not designed to have an intake and exhaust. Not to mention battery life being an issue. Motors use a lot of power relative to optimized low power electronics.
 

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As an engineer I guarantee you the fan will not affect battery life in the slightest.

Plus you can look at the Shield Portable, it had a big cooling fan and still a much longer battery life than any rivals.

As a human with a brain I can guarantee you are wrong.

The Shield has a battery bigger than most tablets and a screen of a phone.

The last thing we need is phones full of dust and less water resistant. Performance is an issue only for a small niche of phone users.
 

lxskllr

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Phones should be thicker, with a layout that enhances cooling and durability. Active cooling is as useful as a floppy drive.
 

dawheat

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As an engineer I guarantee you the fan will not affect battery life in the slightest.

Plus you can look at the Shield Portable, it had a big cooling fan and still a much longer battery life than any rivals.

The shield portable has a battery about 4X the size of a smartphone battery.

As an engineer you should hate this idea - a mechanical component in an all solid state device, a key area of failure, dust/water ingress, noise, etc.

The S6 doesn't look far off from the iPhone in average or minimum frame rates, even when running most at a higher resolution:

https://www.gamebench.net/blog/iphone-6-vs-galaxy-s6-which-performs-best-gaming

And a software solution like this is far simplier - use it to run the same games at 720p on your S6 and have screaming fps:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...lution-and-framerate-of-Android-games_id74680
 

corkyg

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To simply answer the question, no!
 

zaza

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The S6 doesn't look far off from the iPhone in average or minimum frame rates, even when running most at a higher resolution:

https://www.gamebench.net/blog/iphone-6-vs-galaxy-s6-which-performs-best-gaming

you do know that games on the iphone have much better visuals enabled than on android?
Even with a higher resolution games still look much crappier on android.
If you want to understand, the iphone is like playing a PC game on ultra settings but with slightly lower resolution while android (esp the samsung exynos) is like playing on lowest possible settings with a slightly higher resolution.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/15/07/11/gamebench-shows-iphone-6-beats-galaxy-s6-in-game-performance-better-looking-graphics
 

Zaap

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Said it before. This is a third party solution (and very niche at that) not built-in to a device.

Liquid cooling would be more forward thinking anyway.

Did this really need another thread?
 

A5

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you do know that games on the iphone have much better visuals enabled than on android?
Even with a higher resolution games still look much crappier on android.
If you want to understand, the iphone is like playing a PC game on ultra settings but with slightly lower resolution while android (esp the samsung exynos) is like playing on lowest possible settings with a slightly higher resolution.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...6-in-game-performance-better-looking-graphics

This is because Apple puts bigger GPUs on their SoCs than Qualcomm and Samsung do.
 

core2slow

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As an engineer I guarantee you the fan will not affect battery life in the slightest.

Plus you can look at the Shield Portable, it had a big cooling fan and still a much longer battery life than any rivals.
I'd need to see your qualifications, bro. Otherwise you're not an engineer lol
 
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