If there was nothing before God created the universe then how do you explain this?

[Onceler]

I forget in the bible where it says but it is new testament John I think said:
In the beginning darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.
I can't remember the rest of it but it implies that there was something there before God said"Fiat Lux"("Let there be light").
I think that there just might be something to the the big crunch.

 

[moonbogg]

In the beginning there was no water and no deep. Just saying. There may have been something before there was light, but it wasn't water and it wasn't deep.

 

[sandorski]

A common thought at one time of what Earth and the Universe was. Basically Land floating on a plane of water and a dome of ice was above. That dome had small holes in it where the light of heaven shone through and those were the stars.

 

[alzan]

It's turtles. All the way down...

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Just because God made the rules doesn't mean he has to play by them.

 

[MongGrel]

How do you explain the bible existing to create the concept of God is the first question.

Pretty big chicken and egg right there.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

How do you explain the bible existing to create the concept of God is the first question.

Pretty big chicken and egg right there.

The Bible didn't create the concept of God.

 

[Onceler]

The Bible didn't create the concept of God.

True. All primitive peoples have a concept of God or gods.
I was merely pointing out that even in the Christian version of creation there was something before creation.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm just stopping at this point there really isn't any sense to continue.

Of course it didn't.

It's just molding your beliefs of what God is.

Later, have a nice day.

 

[JEDIYoda]

excellent move!! In before this becomes a valiant attempt to explain away that since supposedly according to some people if there was nothing before God, where did God come from.....or there is no such thing as God anyways ... or waiting for science to explain this..........

 

[moonbogg]

Wrong forum -

 

[soccerballtux]

The first light in Genesis was revelation light by which we see things spiritually. The second was physical light.

 

[soccerballtux]

excellent move!! In before this becomes a valiant attempt to explain away that since supposedly according to some people if there was nothing before God, where did God come from.....or there is no such thing as God anyways ... or waiting for science to explain this..........

Matter expanded at faster than the speed of light for many moments after the big bang.
Why did it bang, why did it disobey physics.

Go dissect a human body. You're insane if it doesn't change you into believing in SOME higher power. Too complex.

Let's talk about how the valve in the giraffe shunts blood flow at the top of its neck when he berms his head down to eat. Yeah go ahead and tell me that evolved. Way too complex to just happen by mutation.

 

[sandorski]

Matter expanded at faster than the speed of light for many moments after the big bang.
Why did it bang, why did it disobey physics....

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In what way did it "disobey physics"?

 

[Retro Rob]

Matter expanded at faster than the speed of light for many moments after the big bang.
Why did it bang, why did it disobey physics.

Go dissect a human body. You're insane if it doesn't change you into believing in SOME higher power. Too complex.

Let's talk about how the valve in the giraffe shunts blood flow at the top of its neck when he berms his head down to eat. Yeah go ahead and tell me that evolved. Way too complex to just happen by mutation.

I agree that God/Higher power created life too, but you're not gonna make much headway here, particularly with last paragraph.

You're gonna be stupid/ignorant of evolution/"painting the target around the arrow"/an incredulous fool etc, as soon as Slerpin Wax reads your posts.

Just a warning.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Matter expanded at faster than the speed of light for many moments after the big bang.
Why did it bang, why did it disobey physics.

Go dissect a human body. You're insane if it doesn't change you into believing in SOME higher power. Too complex.

Let's talk about how the valve in the giraffe shunts blood flow at the top of its neck when he berms his head down to eat. Yeah go ahead and tell me that evolved. Way too complex to just happen by mutation.

Your preaching to the choir.... agree that God/Higher power created life too.

My comments were based on waiting for the atheists to crawl out from under their rocks...

 

[PingviN]

Let's talk about how the valve in the giraffe shunts blood flow at the top of its neck when he berms his head down to eat. Yeah go ahead and tell me that evolved. Way too complex to just happen by mutation.

You should probably read up on evolution because right now you're just rejecting something you don't understand. I suggest you start with The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker.

 

[tygeezy]

In what way did it "disobey physics"?

indeed, the speed of light is a cap for objects moving through space not the expansion of space itself.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

What kind of idiot higher power makes you breathe and eat out of the same hole?

Certainly not designed intelligently.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Odd I just heard a sermon about this. God created the Ocean, then a dome to separate it, then (I believe) he asked the water to pool up which created land, then he created light. One for day and a lesser for night.
Its too easy to get marred down in old testament stuff, I look at it as very simple people telling a story in a way to make sense of god. You don't have to accept every item literally to have faith. Accepting god created everything is fine by me. No need to analyze or compare verses to scientific fact.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Just because God made the rules doesn't mean he has to play by them.

1.) God did not make the rules of logic.

2.) "God" is not a "get-out-of-logical-jail-free card."

The fact is that the text indicates that "in the beginning" there was not nothing, but something.

 

[Guest essential]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of God (Allaah), The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaam alaykum; The Peace (of God) Be Upon You (everyone).

I suppose there might be a problem with trying to understand that Allaah (God), Blessed Is HE, Forevermore, is not created. HE, All Praise, Honour and Glory Be To HIM, Is Unique. There Is None, Like HIM. Never, was there when HE, was not. Additionally, All, Everything that exists, Is HIS -- All Glory Be To HIM. You, me, the sun, moon, stars, heaven, earth, you name it, it is All HIS, Alone. So, why should HE, not, make the rules? People come into this world with nothing, and leave with nothing! So, what is the big hangup. Why the love affair, with a world, that is going to end when your term runs out?

 

[momeNt]

What kind of idiot higher power makes you breathe and eat out of the same hole?

Certainly not designed intelligently.

Lol, that is literally mouthbreather logic. Love it.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

1.) God did not make the rules of logic.

2.) "God" is not a "get-out-of-logical-jail-free card."

The fact is that the text indicates that "in the beginning" there was not nothing, but something.

The text doesn't say that, it says in Genesis 1:

" In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

So in the beginning there was God and God created everything.


And it is entirely un-equivocal in John 1:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

 

[ringtail]

True. All SOPHISTICATED, SENSITIVE, INTUITIVE, INTELLIGENT peoples have a concept of God or gods.
I was merely pointing out that even in the Christian version of creation there was something before creation.

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