If Trump is found to have commited crimes in office how will Dems react?

[BonzaiDuck]

No, the DoJ under Obama "let them off the hook," not Obama himself. We have seen no evidence that Obama interfered with the prosecutorial discretion conferred upon the DoJ. If he had, he'd be no better than Trump in this regard. The same goes for the Wall Street people who were not prosecuted. Those on the left who have criticized Obama for not prosecuting certain people are now reasoning inconsistently because they are screaming over Trump interfering with the current DoJ. Prosecutorial decisions are a matter for prosecutors, not POTUSES.

I STAND CORRECTED! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Of course, what I meant was that "The Obama Administration" and DOJ (under Holder) didn't pursue anything. But then, Obama didn't come out to belittle Holder and insist they send Bush or others to the guillotine. That, as you say, is the behavior we are seeing at the moment.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe that people in government have different moral imperatives than I do, for example an instinct to protect the institutions of government and their imagination as to what a good reputation is. I think all able to prosecute will, as a majority, side with the notion that to criminally prosecute a President is bad for the Nation's reputation. They will protect their emotional attachment to being what they call good citizens and throw truth in the waste basket. Everybody puts first what promotes the feeling their ego identifications are morally sound whether they are or not. I believe the Republican party has committed treason in order to win and conceal that fact from the public. Execution for treason if found guilty by trial would act, in my opinion, as a future brake on such behavior. But it won't happen. Everybody will sell out the nation for the same reasons Republicans did, certainty in their own moral values even when they are putrid.

 

[interchange]

This is a tricky answer because I am left in my stupidity wondering what exactly the trick question was. I realize, of course, there is only so much time in the day to devote to the slow. I did, however, try to figure it out but failed to.

The question posed in this thread is: If Trump is found to be guilty of criminal activity will you criminally prosecute him?

A finding of criminal guilt is a result of criminal prosecution not a precursor.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a tricky answer because I am left in my stupidity wondering what exactly the trick question was. I realize, of course, there is only so much time in the day to devote to the slow. I did, however, try to figure it out but failed to.

It was probably best to have had my coffee first.

The poorly worded question was meant to me more like "If Trump and his associates in power are removed from office and actual criminality is found, will the Dems allow a forceful and complete prosecution or will they attempt to "heal America" much as was the excuse for not having proper investigations into Iraq"?

With Iraq there was no investigation of substance to determine the facts. If a Congressional investigation did determine that there was illegality then they can legitimately request the DOJ to investigate and prosecute as warranted.

Will the Dems call for justice (not persecution as someone wondered, but legal and proper action) or declare "reconciliation with forgiveness" to turn the public sentiment away from justice?

If that happens I wonder how many who now cry about all the wrong actions, calling Trump and other criminals will change their minds if their party adopts the position I suggest and prove Trump right. He could shoot someone in the street and get away with it including the Dems.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The question posed in this thread is: If Trump is found to be guilty of criminal activity will you criminally prosecute him?

A finding of criminal guilt is a result of criminal prosecution not a precursor.

I just don't think you can ignore Misprision of Treason or treasonous collaboration with a long-time adversary since beginning of the Cold War. You could ignore the fact that the Cold War never ended -- pretending that it did. But you cannot ignore crimes or malfeasance in that order of magnitude. When, during the debates, was there ever a clear exchange of ideas about altering course in our relationship with the Russians? Most specifically, how can anyone dismiss even the possibility these crimes were committed, by using the excuse that "it's just a political witch-hunt?"

If you must impeach and remove from office, or merely wait for the term to end -- yes -- they should bring charges against Trump for those crimes. They should continue to press immediately for crimes of subordinates and relatives, and pursue legal action pertaining to misuse or abuse of public office in pursuit of personal gain.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The question posed in this thread is: If Trump is found to be guilty of criminal activity will you criminally prosecute him?

A finding of criminal guilt is a result of criminal prosecution not a precursor.

See my amplification and correction above.

 

[cytg111]

Pence, if he survives the investigation would pardon Trump. So it doesn’t really matter, unless NY state has him on something.

You sure? If there ever was a time for the GOP to rid it self of the Trump stench I would think this would be it.

 

[interchange]

See my amplification and correction above.

Nobody has a sense of humor here.

 

[Younigue]

Nobody has a sense of humor here.

How dare you!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, this . . . of course! No man is above the law, or should be.

Well, if this is what you meant, I'd ask you to amend the inelegant and wildly imprecise wording of your poll.

Also, although I've been registered as a Democrat since Dubya's second, problematic to me, electoral "victory," I'm not sure I consider the Democratic Party "my party." Btw, what party is "your party" and how are you registered, Rich . . . and why?

My browser in Android won't let me edit the poll question. It should have been on the order of "if there is criminality will Democrats allow the prosecution or adopt an attude of "reconciliation" and downplaying the criminal actions of this administration".

I don't mean anything improper, but whether Dems support a climate where justice is done or try to make excuses and minimize whatever was done.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How dare you!!

I have gas.

 

[Younigue]

I have gas.

Ugh, you too? Always? My husband seems to. Most infuriating, on his way outside he stops to release it before exiting the house!? What is that?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Ugh, you too? Always? My husband seems to. Most infuriating, on his way outside he stops to release it before exiting the house!? What is that?

This topic gives me an upset stomach.

Seeing the Traitor-Liar-Whoremonger-in-Chief every morning on the news and hearing that abrasive and unpresidential voice roils my breakfast digestion.

Someone above said "[we] don't have a sense of humor." I spent all my humor in letter to the editor about Trump's fitness for office during October, 2016. Wit turned to horror the next month. Horror amplified to cataclysm through January 20. Expectations of disaster were long-exceeded since then.

I want to puke, I say -- Puke.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump's WH should consider installing an emoluments drive through for quicker service and they can staff it with Jared and Ivanka.

 

[Younigue]

This topic gives me an upset stomach.

Seeing the Traitor-Liar-Whoremonger-in-Chief every morning on the news and hearing that abrasive and unpresidential voice roils my breakfast digestion.

Someone above said "[we] don't have a sense of humor." I spent all my humor in letter to the editor about Trump's fitness for office during October, 2016. Wit turned to horror the next month. Horror amplified to cataclysm through January 20. Expectations of disaster were long-exceeded since then.

I want to puke, I say -- Puke.

Mmmhmm preach! I still have a sense of humor just not about Trump, his administration and the shit they're unleashing on the world. Wish I could but it died.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ugh, you too? Always? My husband seems to. Most infuriating, on his way outside he stops to release it before exiting the house!? What is that?

For me it's the bok choy and nappa cabbage used in tonights pork stir fry.

 

[Younigue]

For me it's the bok choy and nappa cabbage used in tonights pork stir fry.

That'd do it.

Though mentioning cabbage makes me think of my mom's New England Boiled dinner. So damn good! Geez, going on vacation starting tonight so I won't even be able to make one until we get back! Dammit! Hay Thanks!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That'd do it.

Though mentioning cabbage makes me think of my mom's New England Boiled dinner. So damn good! Geez, going on vacation starting tonight so I won't even be able to make one until we get back! Dammit! Hay Thanks!

Well I'll think of you while eating leftovers

Have a good vacation!

 

[BoomerD]

Me...I'm hoping for....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E

 

[Younigue]

Well I'll think of you while eating leftovers

Have a good vacation!

I strangely love the idea of a person I don't know thinking of me while he eats leftovers. It feels somehow... natural.

 

[Younigue]

Well I'll think of you while eating leftovers

Have a good vacation!

Thanks, visiting my in-laws and they're making us (well, not me because I physically can't) install floors and build a wall. I believe there's a honey-do list waiting for us actually. Makes me laugh that they're putting us to work on our vacation because it makes so much sense. They live in fear of things being awkward (they're quite shy) thereby creating it and I love awkwardness!

Bringing my scooter so I'll be able to make a very slow get away if need be. Even my (optionally) sickly mother-in-law will be able to catch me but that would be hysterical! That's it! I'm gonna dare her to catch me if she can!

 

[Perknose]

I don't mean anything improper, but whether Dems support a climate where justice is done or try to make excuses and minimize whatever was done.

Not that you necessarily had any improper intent, but OPs that begin "Will your party" or "Do you Republicans" et. al smell to high heaven of provocative trolling to me.

My browser in Android won't let me edit the poll question.

Well, when you get to a laptop, please edit it.

 

[Moonbeam]

The question posed in this thread is: If Trump is found to be guilty of criminal activity will you criminally prosecute him?

A finding of criminal guilt is a result of criminal prosecution not a precursor.

Thank you. My problem I think is that I didn’t really pay attention to what he said because I knew what he meant contextually or something. I knew what I would have meant and assumed it was the same. I see what I believe.

 

[pcgeek11]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

I say if they have enough evidence to impeach him and have enough to indict him for criminal charges then go for it. Let the court decide.

 

[senseamp]

This time, Republicans should be jailed for their corruption of our political system, the courts, and everything they touch. They got many more second chances than they deserve.