If Trump is found to have commited crimes in office how will Dems react?

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Perknose

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Whatever makes you feel better.
What makes you feel better, mang? Trump as President? Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA? That the Russians got away with invading the internal integrity of our elections? The absolute EXPLODING of our deficits?

You know I could go on and on, for the list here is long, but I will pause to ask you again:

What makes you feel better?

What is your North Star . . . your moral and ethical values?

Aren't you embarrassed by this current administration? Aren't you alarmed?

Please don't blow these questions off, or answer them with snark or diversion. We live in this country together, and the rest of us need principled "conservatives" / those of the principled "right" to join us in resisting this clown college cabal of avarice and ignorance from further degrading the public arena and our country, for which I am grateful, even with all its glaring imperfections, the Republic, for which we stand.
 
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fskimospy

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Pres Clinton shared many traits w Trump.

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That’s like saying a common cold shares traits with Ebola. There is no chance Clinton would have won had he come out and bragged about serial sexual assault.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Haha, definitely not.

When it comes to justice I disagree. From what I've seen I believe the Dems will likely hurry and sweep Trump's criminality it the dustbin of "it doesn't really matter", becoming self-congratulatory and taking the same attitude as was done with the Iraq War and giving the same message- "You can do whatever you want".

We'll hear about how we need to heal wounds, how we need to focus on undoing Trump's actions and then the Apologists will come around and defend a complete lack of calls for justice as always.

Some excuse will be found.

No politician wants justice if it might apply to them one day. No partisan wants the potential of his or her parting held accountable with penalties they themselves might face in a court.
 

fskimospy

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When it comes to justice I disagree. From what I've seen I believe the Dems will likely hurry and sweep Trump's criminality it the dustbin of "it doesn't really matter", becoming self-congratulatory and taking the same attitude as was done with the Iraq War and giving the same message- "You can do whatever you want".

We'll hear about how we need to heal wounds, how we need to focus on undoing Trump's actions and then the Apologists will come around and defend a complete lack of calls for justice as always.

Some excuse will be found.

No politician wants justice if it might apply to them one day. No partisan wants the potential of his or her parting held accountable with penalties they themselves might face in a court.

I think it’s more of a stability of the country thing. I genuinely believe had Obama prosecuted Bush for the Iraq War Trump would have ordered Obama prosecuted for...well...something.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Let's just hope he gets any conviction, no matter how small, for past offenses. A few of those and he can no longer enter a '3-strikes state', right?
 

rockymtnsue

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That’s like saying a common cold shares traits with Ebola. There is no chance Clinton would have won had he come out and bragged about serial sexual assault.

News of Clinton’s affairs broke before his election. There were many women. And an affair brought him down. That, and s certain swagger, he shares w Trump.


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fskimospy

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News of Clinton’s affairs broke before his election. There were many women. And an affair brought him down. That, and s certain swagger, he shares w Trump.

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Having affairs is not even remotely close to the same thing as bragging about how you sexually assault people.

Similarly, you could say accusations of corruption were a commonality between Clinton and Trump. Needless to say, Whitewater wouldn’t even move the needle for Trump. I mean he had to pay out $25 million dollars for defrauding thousands of people shortly after winning the election...and that’s just one scandal.
 

rockymtnsue

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Having affairs is not even remotely close to the same thing as bragging about how you sexually assault people.

Similarly, you could say accusations of corruption were a commonality between Clinton and Trump. Needless to say, Whitewater wouldn’t even move the needle for Trump. I mean he had to pay out $25 million dollars for defrauding thousands of people shortly after winning the election...and that’s just one scandal.

Clinton maintained his popularity despite his affairs & scandals. People supported him & didn’t believe his accusers bc they endorsed his agenda. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I’m not sure that the difference in degree will lead to Trump losing popularity or being forced from office. The #metoo movement educates those w open minds. I think only a scandal showing Trump endangered national security interests will bring Trump’s downfall. Too many people see Trump’s immorality as personal problems, not a threat to our country.


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dank69

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Clinton maintained his popularity despite his affairs & scandals. People supported him & didn’t believe his accusers bc they endorsed his agenda. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I’m not sure that the difference in degree will lead to Trump losing popularity or being forced from office. The #metoo movement educates those w open minds. I think only a scandal showing Trump endangered national security interests will bring Trump’s downfall. Too many people see Trump’s immorality as personal problems, not a threat to our country.


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Remember that time that someone found enough evidence to support one of Clinton's scandals? Yeah me either. Remember that time that person looked down on people who didn't condemn Clinton for all the scandals for which there was no evidence? Rockymtnsue I think was the name?
 

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I think it’s more of a stability of the country thing. I genuinely believe had Obama prosecuted Bush for the Iraq War Trump would have ordered Obama prosecuted for...well...something.

Not even a hint towards a serious investigation. Dems will be just the same with Trump.
 

FelixDeCat

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What crimes? Nobody has found anything - yet the Dems keep daydreaming and hallucinating over this and that.

The only way the Dems can remove Trump is by putting up a better candidate. Perhaps they can give Hillary another chance. Hillary 2020 - Its "her turn"!
 

Jhhnn

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While a sitting President can’t be indicted for crimes related to his office, this law is meant to cover war crimes and Executive actions. Conspiracy w a foreign power to effect an election happened BEFORE Trump became President. Violation of the emoluments clause is a crime bc taking pay for play is NOT a function of the Executive branch. (Previous Presidents placed their assets in a blind trust to avoid the appearance of impropriety.) Soliciting funds from foreign governments USA violation of the law is probably the most egregious crime that is unfolding. Republicans could deny, but not defend such actions.
Prosecution takes many forms: The Mueller report to Rosenstein should be released. Trump could crash his Presidency by interfering w this process. Journalists investigating Presidential improprieties is an effective prosecution bc they inform and influence the public. Fox News covers some of this so Trump supporters are not completely isolated from the facts.
Impeachment could appear partisan, make Trump a martyr, and give the GOP a campaign weapon. If there is GOP support for impeachment and removal from office, it would benefit the nation, strengthen the party and lead to more bipartisan efforts. Otherwise, I think indictment, during or after Office is sufficient.

The GOP had no interest in bipartisan effort during 8 years of Obama. Whether it's Trump or Pence as President they likely have even less interest today. Well, unless you'd characterize date rape as bipartisan.

I think it's reasonable to say that impeachment & conviction would need to happen before any sitting President would face criminal charges.
 

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The GOP had no interest in bipartisan effort during 8 years of Obama. Whether it's Trump or Pence as President they likely have even less interest today. Well, unless you'd characterize date rape as bipartisan.

I think it's reasonable to say that impeachment & conviction would need to happen before any sitting President would face criminal charges.

The GOP is not monolithic. I believe Trump will be indicted. With Ryan gone, Dems in majority & Elaine Chao (McConnell’s wife) under investigation, Rs in Congress might seek to cut their losses. He could be forced to resign. Or he could remain completely tone deaf and take his party down with him. Either way, we should spray paint a cell in Gitmo gold and hold it in his name.


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fskimospy

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Clinton maintained his popularity despite his affairs & scandals. People supported him & didn’t believe his accusers bc they endorsed his agenda. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I’m not sure that the difference in degree will lead to Trump losing popularity or being forced from office. The #metoo movement educates those w open minds. I think only a scandal showing Trump endangered national security interests will bring Trump’s downfall. Too many people see Trump’s immorality as personal problems, not a threat to our country.


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I doubt his affairs move the needle at all. It will be more the organized crime that does it.

Oddly enough the lawsuits about his affairs appear to be uncovering significant criminal activity.
 
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The GOP had no interest in bipartisan effort during 8 years of Obama. Whether it's Trump or Pence as President they likely have even less interest today. Well, unless you'd characterize date rape as bipartisan.

I think it's reasonable to say that impeachment & conviction would need to happen before any sitting President would face criminal charges.

Likely but not automatically. Dems won't call for the proper legal penalties and I can think of at least two here who will justify that.
 

Jhhnn

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Clinton maintained his popularity despite his affairs & scandals. People supported him & didn’t believe his accusers bc they endorsed his agenda. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I’m not sure that the difference in degree will lead to Trump losing popularity or being forced from office. The #metoo movement educates those w open minds. I think only a scandal showing Trump endangered national security interests will bring Trump’s downfall. Too many people see Trump’s immorality as personal problems, not a threat to our country.


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Yeh, except nowhere near a majority support the Trump agenda & never did. He's President by dint of an anomalous result of the Electoral College. Many who do support him entertain certain, uhh, misconceptions as to what that agenda is. He represented himself as different, as a champion of the little guy when he's not that at all.

Quite how anybody believed him, let alone 63M people, is beyond my comprehension. He's one of the greatest con artists who ever lived.
 

FelixDeCat

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Yeh, except nowhere near a majority support the Trump agenda & never did. He's President by dint of an anomalous result of the Electoral College. Many who do support him entertain certain, uhh, misconceptions as to what that agenda is. He represented himself as different, as a champion of the little guy when he's not that at all.

Quite how anybody believed him, let alone 63M people, is beyond my comprehension. He's one of the greatest con artists who ever lived.

Yet Trump will win in 2020. Whoodathunkit?
 

Moonbeam

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Yeh, except nowhere near a majority support the Trump agenda & never did. He's President by dint of an anomalous result of the Electoral College. Many who do support him entertain certain, uhh, misconceptions as to what that agenda is. He represented himself as different, as a champion of the little guy when he's not that at all.

Quite how anybody believed him, let alone 63M people, is beyond my comprehension. He's one of the greatest con artists who ever lived.
A competitive economic system that sells based on demand can't survive a population of critical thinkers. We have been carefully crafted to be the suckers that we are. Money is everything, and everything to getting elected. Democrats won't change a thing that really matters. Only progressives will ever change anything and the word is out via billions in propaganda that progressives are dangerous. And indeed they are. Only they can destroy the system that is destroying us.
 

pcgeek11

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What makes you feel better, mang? Trump as President? Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA? That the Russians got away with invading the internal integrity of our elections? The absolute EXPLODING of our deficits?

You know I could go on and on, for the list here is long, but I will pause to ask you again:

What makes you feel better?

What is your North Star . . . your moral and ethical values?

Aren't you embarrassed by this current administration? Aren't you alarmed?

Please don't blow these questions off, or answer them with snark or diversion. We live in this country together, and the rest of us need principled "conservatives" / those of the principled "right" to join us in resisting this clown college cabal of avarice and ignorance from further degrading the public arena and our country, for which I am grateful, even with all its glaring imperfections, the Republic, for which we stand.

First of all I am not a mang. I don't know what that is and don't care.

I can't say that I am overly pleased with all of Trumps decisions or choices. I do think that he has done some very good things while in office.

Meeting with North Korea and could have a small chance of ending the Korean war. And maybe getting them to stop their nuclear program. ( I do have doubts that will happen ).

Dumping the deal with Iran which was garbage. And was stated as such by many Democrats before it was signed ( Schumer ). That is why it wasn't ran through congress etc.

He recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and is moving the Embassy there.

He got NATO allies to kick in $12 billion more toward our collective security.

He has beaten back the ISIS Caliphate to a mere shadow.

He has allowed the Military to actually run as a military and not a political pawn show.

Things that I dislike about him.

Twitter. Need I say more? He needs to shut up.

Tax reform is needed. I'm not crazy about how that was done. I do blame Congress for this more so than Trump. Along with the increase in the deficits

He tends to berate anyone that he disagrees with without any restraint. ( Kind of like P&N here ).

He should let the Mueller investigation alone and just let it run its course.

I do know that it seems that I am a rampant Trump supporter, or at least many think so. I am not. I do however take offense to the excessive condemnation and battering of the current administration by the left and the main stream media. This is more of an embarrassment than anything else. Most of the news seems to be made up of outright lies and speculation with no solid proof of anything. Then if you suggest anything like that you get beaten and called various names...

If they prove Trump did half the things he has been accused of then they should impeach him and then put him in jail for a good long stay. But so far they can't or I think they would have already. Until they do I will support my country and the President of the United States.

If you are offended then I guess you will need to learn to deal with it.
 

Thebobo

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Dumping the deal with Iran which was garbage.

He recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and is moving the Embassy there.

He has beaten back the ISIS Caliphate to a mere shadow.

1. Nothing more than Obamadiditsoimustundoit. Israeli Ass kisser Trump.

2. An idea surely to inspire peace in the area. Another Israeli Ass kisser Trump.

3. Surely you jest. Bone spur trump just carried on with the previous admins actions.

He is without doubt the most corrupt president we have ever had. He lies all the time 3000+ times and counting a womanizer an adulterer. Surrounds himself with other despicable people like Pruitt, Flynn, Manafort, Bannon, the pussy Pence, Sebastian Gorka, Anthony the schmuck Scaramucci, Betsy Black Water Brother DeVos, John I love war Bolton, and SS uber forman Stephen Miller AKA death camp miller.

He's like the retarded mafia don who surrounds himself with incompetent family members and asskissing imbeciles.

The most embarrassing time in american history. The world laughs at us.

Oh and your honor I offer exhibit A. Proof its all a sham of blithering idiots.

 
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HomerJS

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What crimes? Nobody has found anything - yet the Dems keep daydreaming and hallucinating over this and that.

The only way the Dems can remove Trump is by putting up a better candidate. Perhaps they can give Hillary another chance. Hillary 2020 - Its "her turn"!
I guess those 23 indictments don't count. Mueller knows more then anyone so crimes committed is unknown.

Benghazi 4 year investigation. Email investigation 2 years. Zero indictments.
 
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Id hope we would punish anyone guilty of committing federal crimes regardless of party or party in power. Even your own party.
 

dank69

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Likely but not automatically. Dems won't call for the proper legal penalties and I can think of at least two here who will justify that.
I don't think you understand the ramifications of what you are seeking. Congress should be able to call for investigations but it is up to the DOJ to decide to prosecute. I mean, since when is it the responsibility of the executive or legislative branches to render punishment?
 
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