If Trump is found to have commited crimes in office how will Dems react?

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Noah Abrams

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"Beating" ISIS? Ok...all we do (fully by design) is to keep creating new enemies with new names and labels. Then we start "fighting" those new enemies. The racket of the military industrial complex goes on and on - which the entire political class is fully in bed with. As I keep saying, in all the ways that are substantial, there is no difference between D and R. The usual stuff in the news is mostly smokes and mirrors. The "circus" part of Rome
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I don't think you understand the ramifications of what you are seeking. Congress should be able to call for investigations but it is up to the DOJ to decide to prosecute. I mean, since when is it the responsibility of the executive or legislative branches to render punishment?

You misunderstand.

The DOJ is investigating and would be the prosecution. Assuming the Dems gain enough seats then the impeachment and removal of Trump would be possible.

But what I'm talking about is after Trump and whoever else is out.

The Dem leadership should say something to the effect of "Dear America, we who represent you entirely support the investigation into matters which have been deeply troubling. If the DOJ determines that grounds for prosecution exist we will support them in their efforts up to and including the maximum penalty as they and the judiciary deem warranted."


I'm going to bet we don't hear anything like that even though the public needs to know that there will be no partisan attempts to sabotage or minimize efforts, quite the reverse. Yeah, Republicans, but I'm talking Dems.
 

fskimospy

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"Beating" ISIS? Ok...all we do (fully by design) is to keep creating new enemies with new names and labels. Then we start "fighting" those new enemies. The racket of the military industrial complex goes on and on - which the entire political class is fully in bed with. As I keep saying, in all the ways that are substantial, there is no difference between D and R. The usual stuff in the news is mostly smokes and mirrors. The "circus" part of Rome

Interesting, I wonder if the tens of millions of people who were newly insured under the ACA think there’s no difference between the two parties. Anyone who says the two parties are the same is utterly clueless; it’s a thing ignorant people say to sound informed. In the past that was closer to the truth but since the mid 1970’s our right wing party has gone progressively more insane.

Even in foreign policy where the two parties are much closer than on other topics this is silly. As an example ask yourself if the US would have invaded Iraq if Al Gore had been president. Of course not.
 

Noah Abrams

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Even in foreign policy where the two parties are much closer than on other topics this is silly. As an example ask yourself if the US would have invaded Iraq if Al Gore had been president. Of course not.

Ok, there would have been one less invasion - maybe.
 

Amused

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Politicians don't prosecute. The Justice system does that.

This thread is a very good example of how the right-wing has completely undermined the actual rule of law and believe it works like a banana republic dictatorship. Why? Because the conspiracy theories they've been spoon fed by their propaganda media about people they are ideologically opposed to never resulting in any actual criminal charges has led them to believe there is no justice.

When in reality, those conspiracy theories don't hold up to rational, legal scrutiny. They don't even pass the sniff test if you want to know how gullible and stupid you really are.

This is what happens when you mainstream and legitimize batshit for political gain.
 

Noah Abrams

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Interesting, I wonder if the tens of millions of people who were newly insured under the ACA think there’s no difference between the two parties.

This, I agree, is a point of major difference. ACA. Now whether this is a good thing, or does it benefit the middle class if they lose job or insurance....is another thing. Its a whole complicated topic
 

FelixDeCat

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I guess those 23 indictments don't count. Mueller knows more then anyone so crimes committed is unknown.

Benghazi 4 year investigation. Email investigation 2 years. Zero indictments.

They had to get people on process crimes. Nothing related to collusion.

On the other hand Hillary and Bill are as dirty as the day is long, collecting billions in pay for play from those seeking influence in Washington, Obama and the Secretary of State.

Billions of dollars from Russians, Arabs, Americans, etc. Yet did she or anyone else get charged? Fuck no. Its Hillary. And Democrats always "get away with it."

Such bullchit.
 

Amused

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They had to get people on process crimes. Nothing related to collusion.

On the other hand Hillary and Bill are as dirty as the day is long, collecting billions in pay for play from those seeking influence in Washington, Obama and the Secretary of State.

Billions of dollars from Russians, Arabs, Americans, etc. Yet did she or anyone else get charged? Fuck no. Its Hillary. And Democrats always "get away with it."

Such bullchit.

The Clinton Foundation was a charitable organization that spent over 90% on charity.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

Meaning none was used for personal gain. Moreover, no quid pro quo was ever discovered.

Even more moreover, they pledged to stop taking foreign and corporate donations when Hillary Clinton became president to avoid any appearance of impropriety. That pledge led to a sharp decrease in donations. They literally tanked it to prevent any appearance of influence or impropriety.

You really need to step outside your echo chamber. The Clinton Foundation conspiracy theory never went anywhere legally because there never was anything even remotely illegal or unethical there.

People inside the right-wing conspiracy cult echo chamber remind me of an idiot banging their head on a wall and saying, "Maybe this time, maybe this time, maybe this time" over and over and over again ad infinitum. An intelligent person would start to pick up on the fact that they are bullshitting you.
 

fskimospy

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They had to get people on process crimes. Nothing related to collusion.

On the other hand Hillary and Bill are as dirty as the day is long, collecting billions in pay for play from those seeking influence in Washington, Obama and the Secretary of State.

Billions of dollars from Russians, Arabs, Americans, etc. Yet did she or anyone else get charged? Fuck no. Its Hillary. And Democrats always "get away with it."

Such bullchit.

Trump’s son, son in law, and campaign manager knowingly set up a meeting with agents of the Russian government to get dirt on their opponent.

Collusion. Period.
 
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They had to get people on process crimes. Nothing related to collusion.

On the other hand Hillary and Bill are as dirty as the day is long, collecting billions in pay for play from those seeking influence in Washington, Obama and the Secretary of State.

Billions of dollars from Russians, Arabs, Americans, etc. Yet did she or anyone else get charged? Fuck no. Its Hillary. And Democrats always "get away with it."

Such bullchit.

"Billionz of dollars. Billionz I say!"

Jackass.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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The Clinton Foundation was a charitable organization that spent over 90% on charity.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

Meaning none was used for personal gain. Moreover, no quid pro quo was ever discovered.

Even more moreover, they pledged to stop taking foreign and corporate donations when Hillary Clinton became president to avoid any appearance of impropriety. That pledge led to a sharp decrease in donations. They literally tanked it to prevent any appearance of influence or impropriety.

You really need to step outside your echo chamber. The Clinton Foundation conspiracy theory never went anywhere legally because there never was anything even remotely illegal or unethical there.

People inside the right-wing conspiracy cult echo chamber remind me of an idiot banging their head on a wall and saying, "Maybe this time, maybe this time, maybe this time" over and over and over again ad infinitum. An intelligent person would start to pick up on the fact that they are bullshitting you.


He doesn't even know Taj Majal was built by a Muslim king for his concubine and you expect him to know recent stuff?
 

FelixDeCat

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He doesn't even know Taj Majal was built by a Muslim king for his concubine and you expect him to know recent stuff?

There is plenty of proof of Hillary colluding with Russians to gain control of American uranium, military secrets and all other sorts of crimes.

Look it up. Then lock her up.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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Politicians don't prosecute. The Justice system does that.

This thread is a very good example of how the right-wing has completely undermined the actual rule of law and believe it works like a banana republic dictatorship. Why? Because the conspiracy theories they've been spoon fed by their propaganda media about people they are ideologically opposed to never resulting in any actual criminal charges has led them to believe there is no justice.

When in reality, those conspiracy theories don't hold up to rational, legal scrutiny. They don't even pass the sniff test if you want to know how gullible and stupid you really are.

This is what happens when you mainstream and legitimize batshit for political gain.

We know politicians don't prosecute. That misconception was corrected early on although people keep missing that.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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The uranium thing is really weird. There were a number of officials who had to sign off on the non-scandal of the ages. Hey, pay her a trillion dollars and Hillary still couldn't have done anything, although there's no wrong involved at all.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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The uranium thing is really weird. There were a number of officials who had to sign off on the non-scandal of the ages. Hey, pay her a trillion dollars and Hillary still couldn't have done anything, although there's no wrong involved at all.


Willful ignorance will get you anything you want to believe.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Interesting, I wonder if the tens of millions of people who were newly insured under the ACA think there’s no difference between the two parties. Anyone who says the two parties are the same is utterly clueless; it’s a thing ignorant people say to sound informed. In the past that was closer to the truth but since the mid 1970’s our right wing party has gone progressively more insane.

Even in foreign policy where the two parties are much closer than on other topics this is silly. As an example ask yourself if the US would have invaded Iraq if Al Gore had been president. Of course not.

You have to understand that "they're just as bad!" is just a segue into the inevitable "But Hillary! But Obama!" routine.
 

Noah Abrams

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Feb 15, 2018
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He doesn't even know Taj Majal was built by a Muslim king for his concubine and you expect him to know recent stuff?

It was in the memory of his favorite wife, not a concubine. So yeah, you don't seem to know a lot either.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You misunderstand.

The DOJ is investigating and would be the prosecution. Assuming the Dems gain enough seats then the impeachment and removal of Trump would be possible.

But what I'm talking about is after Trump and whoever else is out.

The Dem leadership should say something to the effect of "Dear America, we who represent you entirely support the investigation into matters which have been deeply troubling. If the DOJ determines that grounds for prosecution exist we will support them in their efforts up to and including the maximum penalty as they and the judiciary deem warranted."


I'm going to bet we don't hear anything like that even though the public needs to know that there will be no partisan attempts to sabotage or minimize efforts, quite the reverse. Yeah, Republicans, but I'm talking Dems.

That's a ridiculous demand to make of Dems, pointless posturing. Let's face it- Trump can pardon the lot of them & be pardoned by Pence after impeachment & conviction before any of that can happen. That assumes the special counsel finds grounds for impeachment prior to the election of 2020. If the special counsel is still investigating should Trump be there to lose that election the above scenario still applies because Trump can resign & Pence can be Prez for a day.
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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There is plenty of proof of Hillary colluding with Russians to gain control of American uranium, military secrets and all other sorts of crimes.

Look it up. Then lock her up.
Then why did nothing happen? Why was she not locked up? Republicans have had the power in the government other than the presidency for years, why didn't they lock her up? Is it just one big liberal conspiracy?

Then why is Trump and everyone he knows under investigation and people have already been indicted when the entire government is under Republican control? Still a liberal conspiracy?
 
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