I believe that if we really cleaned out the government that we'd be voting for individuals instead of parties.
I believe that if we really cleaned out the government that we'd be voting for individuals instead of parties.This time, Republicans should be jailed for their corruption of our political system, the courts, and everything they touch. They got many more second chances than they deserve.
Republican party is really an organized criminal organization, similar to Putin's United Russia party.I believe that if we really cleaned out the government that we'd be voting for individuals instead of parties.
I know the question is addressed to Dems, but firstly, they do not have that kind of power. Secondly, a sitting president can't be prosecuted. BTW, not liking, or hating the president is not grounds for impeachment or prosecution. If this is what the Dems are running on for the mid terms, it's a shit show and it's gonna backfire, like Hillary's basket of deplorables comments.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-31/a-sitting-president-can-t-be-prosecuted
I know the question is addressed to Dems, but firstly, they do not have that kind of power. Secondly, a sitting president can't be prosecuted. BTW, not liking, or hating the president is not grounds for impeachment or prosecution. If this is what the Dems are running on for the mid terms, it's a shit show and it's gonna backfire, like Hillary's basket of deplorables comments.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-31/a-sitting-president-can-t-be-prosecuted
Some of you are just pissed that progressive ideology and movements toward socialism in this country got a huge setback with Trump's election. Admit it. I'm not a fan of Trump, as a person, but at least he saved this country from that, for now.
But what happens if the president is convicted by the Senate? Here’s the constitutional answer:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
A reasonable interpretation of this provision is that it sets out a temporal sequence: Impeachment, then conviction and removal from office -- and only after that, indictment, trial, judgment and punishment.
Alexander Hamilton seemed to read the provision exactly that way: “The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law.”
That means you can’t indict and try a sitting president. He has to be removed first.
True, this interpretation isn’t inevitable. You could read the text to mean only that the consequence of conviction is removal from office, and that a convicted president can be prosecuted -- but to be silent on, and so not to resolve, the question whether a president can be prosecuted for crimes while in office. On that interpretation, nothing in the Constitution rules out a prosecution of the president for (say) obstruction of justice or for perjury.
From YOUR link:
Should Mueller (or some other prosecutor) find enough evidence to force the Congress to vote to impeach...and the Senate to convict, I'm fine with waiting to prosecute (and jail?) Trump for any crimes they can prove he committed...before, during, or after his term in office...but, as much as I dislike him...I DO want it to be done legally and with a preponderance of evidence...not just because he's a "poo-poo head."
I'm thinking once Democrats have sufficient power to prevent Republican obstruction. My belief is that once 2020 arrives we'll be "healing our nation" AKA sweeping it under the rug as with Iraq.
Precisely. If there is a legal basis, then fine. Right now I'm just hearing echos of impeachment from the left, because they don't like him. That's not enough. There must be proven basis. We shall see where it goes.
It was probably best to have had my coffee first.
The poorly worded question was meant to me more like "If Trump and his associates in power are removed from office and actual criminality is found, will the Dems allow a forceful and complete prosecution or will they attempt to "heal America" much as was the excuse for not having proper investigations into Iraq"?
With Iraq there was no investigation of substance to determine the facts. If a Congressional investigation did determine that there was illegality then they can legitimately request the DOJ to investigate and prosecute as warranted.
Will the Dems call for justice (not persecution as someone wondered, but legal and proper action) or declare "reconciliation with forgiveness" to turn the public sentiment away from justice?
If that happens I wonder how many who now cry about all the wrong actions, calling Trump and other criminals will change their minds if their party adopts the position I suggest and prove Trump right. He could shoot someone in the street and get away with it including the Dems.
Such is the delusion of the mind that only gobbles up one source of "news".. Like with food you need a balanced diet.Even if one or both parties officially come out and say “R and D are the two sides of the same coin”, there will still be a huge number who would not believe it. Such is the delusion of the mind and the need for ego to believe it’s on the “right” side.
Even if one or both parties officially come out and say “R and D are the two sides of the same coin”, there will still be a huge number who would not believe it. Such is the delusion of the mind and the need for ego to believe it’s on the “right” side.
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Some of you are just pissed that progressive ideology and movements toward socialism in this country got a huge setback with Trump's election. Admit it. I'm not a fan of Trump, as a person, but at least he saved this country from that, for now.
Even if one or both parties officially come out and say “R and D are the two sides of the same coin”, there will still be a huge number who would not believe it. Such is the delusion of the mind and the need for ego to believe it’s on the “right” side.
I think you just made his point.
You might be onto something there. Then there would be true comprises. Probably nothing would be achieved. But many people would prefer nothing over the status quo.I believe that if we really cleaned out the government that we'd be voting for individuals instead of parties.
Haha, definitely not. ‘Both parties are the same’ is something that stupid people think sounds smart when all it’s doing is exposing them.
You need to look no further than the current president to see the asymmetry between the parties. Does any rational person think the Democrats would have nominated someone like Trump? Does anyone think that they would have voted for him overwhelmingly when a month before the election it came out that he bragged about committing serial sexual assault?