If widespread violence breaks out in the Middle East how much blame falls on Trump?

HomerJS

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Most of the civilized world thinks the United States pronouncing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is a bad idea. What do you think?
 
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MixMasterTang

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Depends what's the cause of the violence, there is already tension between the Saudi's and Yemen. Stuff going on in Syria, etc.
 
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The question would be how much of it will be a cause and how much of it will be just an excuse. He will bear blame. To what degree depends.

For me I'd say a high amount. Things have been stable. Let's see what happens.
 

Majes

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The area is an encapsulation of violence. I'm not sure I'd attribute any of that to our President...
 

soundforbjt

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Yeah, the calls for three days of rage has nothing to do with Trump’s statement.
 
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The real question I see coming out of this is did the U.S. just give up it's seat at the peace process table?
 

Ajay

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The real question I see coming out of this is did the U.S. just give up it's seat at the peace process table?
In any meaningful way, yeah. Hard to imagine how this admin accomplishes anything towards a peace settlement after this move. The next few days will really show how the Muslim community responds.
 
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In any meaningful way, yeah. Hard to imagine how this admin accomplishes anything towards a peace settlement after this move. The next few days will really show how the Muslim community responds.
The Arab side has already said as much. Whether that holds true will show with time.

So what's Jared's raison d'etre now?
 

Ajay

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The Arab side has already said as much. Whether that holds true will show with time.

So what's Jared's raison d'etre now?

I never really understood Jared's raison d'etre before this. In the future, putting East Jerusalem under Palestinian control now becomes a potential bargaining chip for a future administration in concert with Israel. In that regard, it could turn out to be a useful move long term - so long as sectarian violence doesn't become further entrenched.
 

zinfamous

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I wonder if this was all Jared's big beautiful plan?

hahaha, of course I'm kidding. That little dingleberry hasn't worked a day in his life. This is part of the Bannon doctrine.
 
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pcgeek11

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Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump ( more than likely many others ) all accepted that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel.

The area has always been war torn. And probably always will be.

Anything and everything we have tried has at best been met with Very Limited or no success at all. Mostly the latter.

This Trump declaration makes no difference in the least. Other than all of the panty bunching.
 
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cytg111

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Dealing with NK might be a good idea. Declaring Jerusalem capital of Israel might be a good idea. Having Trump deal with the fallout is THE DUMBEST IDEA IN MODERN HISTORY.
 

Puffnstuff

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Even if Hillary were president and God wanted this to happen it would and now it has. The Palestinians can have their own place just not in Israel.
 

K1052

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He had no problem heaping the blame on his predecessors. It's his baby now.
 

feralkid

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Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump ( more than likely many others ) all accepted that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel.

The area has always been war torn. And probably always will be.

Anything and everything we have tried has at best been met with Very Limited or no success at all. Mostly the latter.

This Trump declaration makes no difference in the least. Other than all of the panty bunching.



Thanks, Baghdad Bob.
 

realibrad

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Thanks, Baghdad Bob.

Here you go.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...dents-said-about-israel-and-jerusalem/9234736

oh, and this should help too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Trump is just the first sitting POTUS to actually do what the act says should be done. What makes Trump different is that he finally did what was said should be done long before.

This is not a judgement on if I think this is a good idea, but what pcgeek said is factual.
 
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Here you go.

oh, and this should help too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Trump is just the first sitting POTUS to actually do what the act says should be done. What makes Trump different is that he finally did what was said should be done long before.

This is not a judgement on if I think this is a good idea, but what pcgeek said is factual.
Actually what it is is half of the story. The executive branch has always viewed this as overreach by congress. Foreign policy is and has always been the domain of the executive branch. That includes location of embassies. The fact that they put in a perpetual waiver option shows how serious they really were about this.

Sadly passing fluff laws that mean nothing to placate people is what passes as governance. If you look at the waivers that have been signed over the 22 year since it passed they all reference that they are waiving it because the location of the embassy needs to be a part of a broader peace negotiation in the region.
 

pcgeek11

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Here you go.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...dents-said-about-israel-and-jerusalem/9234736

oh, and this should help too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

Trump is just the first sitting POTUS to actually do what the act says should be done. What makes Trump different is that he finally did what was said should be done long before.

This is not a judgement on if I think this is a good idea, but what pcgeek said is factual.

Thank you. At least some people know how to read.
 

realibrad

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Actually what it is is half of the story. The executive branch has always viewed this as overreach by congress. Foreign policy is and has always been the domain of the executive branch. That includes location of embassies. The fact that they put in a perpetual waiver option shows how serious they really were about this.

Sadly passing fluff laws that mean nothing to placate people is what passes as governance. If you look at the waivers that have been signed over the 22 year since it passed they all reference that they are waiving it because the location of the embassy needs to be a part of a broader peace negotiation in the region.

How does any of what you just said deal with what pcgeek and I have said?

"Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump ( more than likely many others ) all accepted that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel.

The area has always been war torn. And probably always will be.

Anything and everything we have tried has at best been met with Very Limited or no success at all. Mostly the latter.

This Trump declaration makes no difference in the least. Other than all of the panty bunching."

Is there something you disagree with there?
 
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