If widespread violence breaks out in the Middle East how much blame falls on Trump?

[IronWing]

LOL, Riiiight.

We're giving them to the Israelis, it's only fair.

 

[pcgeek11]

We're giving them to the Israelis, it's only fair.

Nope. Not going to happen.

 

[IronWing]

Nope. Not going to happen.

Then maybe complaining that the Pals use the crude tools available to them is a bit hypocritical while supplying the Israelis with much more lethal weapons.

 

[Thebobo]

OK what kind of progress has been made over the last 40 years with the exception of minor and temporary.

You are welcome to be appalled as much as you want, reality is often appalling.

Dont forget the Camp David Accords - Almost 40 years of peace between Israel and Egypt.
So a peace can be achieved in the middle east with the right people on both sides. Thank you
Jimmy Carter.

 

[pcgeek11]

Then maybe complaining that the Pals use the crude tools available to them is a bit hypocritical while supplying the Israelis with much more lethal weapons.

I'm not complaining.

 

[pcgeek11]

Dont forget the Camp David Accords - Almost 40 years of peace between Israel and Egypt.
So a peace can be achieved in the middle east with the right people on both sides. Thank you
Jimmy Carter.

I never said No Progress was made. There were intermittent periods of semi-stability. I think your 40 year claim is a way off...

As it has only been 39 years since it was signed and there hasn't been a continuous peace in the region from 1978 until present. Not even close.

 

[pcgeek11]

Then maybe complaining that the Pals use the crude tools available to them is a bit hypocritical while supplying the Israelis with much more lethal weapons.

Like straddling the fence is a good strategy. We could be on both sides.

 

[trenchfoot]

The referee (USA) just fixed the fight for the Israelis. The crowd sees what's happening, goes wild, starts screaming "the fight got fixed, the fight got fixed!!!!" The fixer (Trump) yells back "So fvcking what? Now start pumping yourselves full of holes and let each of your Gods sort it all out. Somebody call me when the dust settles so I can come in and take over the whole fvcking place and start building resorts, nuclear power plants, arms factories and do some real estate deals because I got some outstanding loans I secured from Putin that's in arrears."

 

[pcgeek11]

The referee (USA) just fixed the fight for the Israelis. The crowd sees what's happening, goes wild, starts screaming "the fight got fixed, the fight got fixed!!!!" The fixer (Trump) yells back "So fvcking what? Now start pumping yourselves full of holes and let each of your Gods sort it all out. Somebody call me when the dust settles so I can come in and take over the whole fvcking place and start building resorts, nuclear power plants, arms factories and do some real estate deals because I got some outstanding loans I secured from Putin that's in arrears."

That headline is a bit late. The USA has been on the side of Israel since the beginning. The fix was in Many Decades ago. This is nothing new at all. All the other BS is and was just lip service, just like the BS with Taiwan.

 

[Zaap]

Yeah because widespread violence has never occurred in the Middle East before Trump.

This is one of the dumber subjects lately.

 

[IronWing]

Like straddling the fence is a good strategy. We could be on both sides.

We could be on our side.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah because widespread violence has never occurred in the Middle East before Trump.

This is one of the dumber subjects lately.

So because violence has happened in the past Trump can’t be causing it now?

This is one of the dumber responses lately.

 

[pcgeek11]

We could be on our side.

We are.

 

[IronWing]

We are.

No, we support Israel with endless aid for no rational reason.

 

[Ajay]

No, we support Israel with endless aid for no rational reason.

Well, having a friend in the middle east isn't so bad, is it? Our interest is power projection, the baggage is middle east peace.
It's expensive being a 'super-power'.

 

[IronWing]

Well, having a friend in the middle east isn't so bad, is it? Our interest is power projection, the baggage is middle east peace.
It's expensive being a 'super-power'.

If we're going to buy friends, we should put the job out to bid. We might be able to pick up friends on the cheap.

 

[LPCTech]

Israel has always been our ally, might as well treat them like one openly. We have played both sides for years but have always really been on the Israeli side. The arabs arent fooled by this. If they wanna use this as an excuse to get a bunch of themselves killed more power to em. lol

We all know Israel has no intention of letting the palestinians have any land, since their position is that it was never theirs and they stole it from the jews in the first place, and we all know the palestinians will only use any land they are given to attack any jews available for whatever reason they decide today. So whatever.

I dont support trump in any way. But I have no problem with this.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, we support Israel with endless aid for no rational reason.

So do you think we should support the terrorist group Hamas?

 

[IronWing]

So do you think we should support the terrorist group Hamas?

Nope. But let's be clear: if Hamas is simply a terrorist group then so is the state of Israel. Maybe breaking out of the binary approach to the world would do us some good.

 

[pcgeek11]

Nope. But let's be clear: if Hamas is simply a terrorist group then so is the state of Israel. Maybe breaking out of the binary approach to the world would do us some good.

I didn't say they were "simply" a terrorist group, but they are a terrorist group.

I'm not making the claim that Israel is blameless either, but they are a far from being a terrorist group. They are our allies.

 

[IronWing]

I didn't say they were "simply" a terrorist group, but they are a terrorist group.

I'm not making the claim that Israel is blameless either, but they are a far from being a terrorist group. They are our allies.

If we gave Hamas $5 billion/year I bet they'd be our BFFs.

 

[pcgeek11]

If we gave Hamas $5 billion/year I bet they'd be our BFFs.

We have been giving them money, not 5 billion, but more than they deserve. See where it has gotten us. At least Trump stopped it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-blocks-obama-221-million-payment-palestine-2017-1

On Tuesday, the state department under President Donald Trump announced it would review one of Barack Obama's final acts as US president — the release of $221 million to the Palestinian Authority.

It appears that Trump's decision to review Obama's release of the funds comes down to his heavily pro-Israel agenda.

Trump, who took office just hours after Obama's decision, has taken a hard line against the Palestinians, describing their funding of terrorism and the larger situation in the West Bank and Gaza as a "deplorable, deplorable situation", in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in March.

The $221 million released by Obama, and subsequently halted by Trump, is part of the US's regularly scheduled aid to Palestine, which totaled $557 million from all US government agencies in 2015.

 

[fskimospy]

We have been giving them money and see where it has gotten us. At least Trump stopped it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-blocks-obama-221-million-payment-palestine-2017-1

On Tuesday, the state department under President Donald Trump announced it would review one of Barack Obama's final acts as US president — the release of $221 million to the Palestinian Authority.

It appears that Trump's decision to review Obama's release of the funds comes down to his heavily pro-Israel agenda.

Trump, who took office just hours after Obama's decision, has taken a hard line against the Palestinians, describing their funding of terrorism and the larger situation in the West Bank and Gaza as a "deplorable, deplorable situation", in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in March.

The $221 million released by Obama, and subsequently halted by Trump, is part of the US's regularly scheduled aid to Palestine, which totaled $557 million from all US government agencies in 2015.

Uhmm, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are not even remotely the same thing.

 

[pcgeek11]

Uhmm, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are not even remotely the same thing.

OK, you are correct, I was wrong.

I should have just addressed my statement as Palestinians in general instead of one political group or the other.

The Palestinian National Authority and Hamas are the two ends of one turd. I feel we should not support either political group as they are both terrorist groups.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I honestly cannot remember a time where there was not some sort of unrest going on in the middle east, and that was decades before drumpf. So very little falls on the sagging shoulders of the dotard.