If you are agnostic why don't you just believe anyways?

[angstsoldat]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: angstsoldat
My gods will be deeply disappointed if I dont make a 5 goat sacrifice every 6 months. You want to join my goat sacrificing religion? PM me for teh goat

voodoo?

What blasphemy is this? No!

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

@chowderhead
Because agnostics don't beleive in a religion it means that they don't believe in heaven or hell and therefore there is no reason to believe in it for them. Why join a group to get a reward that you believe does not exist? It would be a waste of time in your mind.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
@chowderhead
Because agnostics don't beleive in a religion it means that they don't believe in heaven or hell and therefore there is no reason to believe in it for them. Why join a group to get a reward that you believe does not exist? It would be a waste of time in your mind.

That would be Atheists.
Agnostics by definition are those that are unconvinced or unsure of the exisitence of a God. It does not mean they do not believe - they are just not convinced or are not sure.

What the OP is asking is why do the agnostics not "hedge" their bets and believe in God as there is "nothing to lose" with believing since they aren't sure either way.
I already answered his question in my 1st response. Don't people read anymore?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

Your unsupported assumption is that it would increase one's changes of being saved. It might not. What if the real God is one that doesn't like believers that base their beliefs on this type of reasoning? In that scenario you're screwed.

Besides, asking me to believe "just in case" appears from my perspective to be the equivalent of asking me to believe that there's an invisible fairy that sits permanently on my right shoulder, "just in case." Belief doesn't work that way for me. Can you just decide to believe that there is an invisible fairy sitting on YOUR shoulder right now? I very much doubt that you could if you were honest with yourself. I know I couldn't do it and be honest.

-Garth

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

Your unsupported assumption is that it would increase one's changes of being saved. It might not. What if the real God is one that doesn't like believers that base their beliefs on this type of reasoning?In that scenario you're screwed.

Exactly and it is true of at least three gods that I know of (even though they are the same one)

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Maybe we don't want to go to church every sunday?

You don't have to go to Church if you want to be a Christian.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Maybe we don't want to go to church every sunday?

You don't have to go to Church if you want to be a Christian.

That gospel is not recognized................too eastern

 

[wfbberzerker]

well, as soon as someone brings me testimonial of those who have been in heaven and hell, i'll start believing.

 

[LongCoolMother]

being agnostic is basically a big fat "I dont know." i guess im agnostic. ATHEIST however, is the firm belief that god is nonexistent. personally, i think there is no more evidence for atheism than there is for any other religion.

 

[EyeMWing]

Oh, and here's a new one for you:
EyeMWing's wager.

Take the basis of Pascal's wager. Decide you like the Christian God. And then realize that there's the possibility that Jesus died for your sins and therefore you don't have to believe, because not believing is a sin and Jesus died to repent for your sins. Thereby, you already have a reserved seat in the Christian Heaven by default. So why go through any extra thoughts or believe anything or whatnot when you already put two chips on the table (one for 'nothing' and one for 'christian'). Of course, you could theoretically stretch it a little bit to a third by actually believing in that third, but that's just bad form. That's like putting 1 chip on green, 1 chip on red, and 1 chip on black in roulette.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Oh, and here's a new one for you:
EyeMWing's wager.

Take the basis of Pascal's wager. Decide you like the Christian God. And then realize that there's the possibility that Jesus died for your sins and therefore you don't have to believe, because not believing is a sin and Jesus died to repent for your sins Thereby, you already have a reserved seat in the Christian Heaven by default. So why go through any extra thoughts or believe anything or whatnot when you already put two chips on the table (one for 'nothing' and one for 'christian'). Of course, you could theoretically stretch it a little bit to a third by actually believing in that third, but that's just bad form. That's like putting 1 chip on green, 1 chip on red, and 1 chip on black in roulette.

Doesn't work..............EyeMWing's wager sucks

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Maybe we don't want to go to church every sunday?

You don't have to go to Church if you want to be a Christian.

I'm pretty sure it is frowned upon though. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
@chowderhead
Because agnostics don't beleive in a religion it means that they don't believe in heaven or hell and therefore there is no reason to believe in it for them. Why join a group to get a reward that you believe does not exist? It would be a waste of time in your mind.

That would be Atheists.
Agnostics by definition are those that are unconvinced or unsure of the exisitence of a God. It does not mean they do not believe - they are just not convinced or are not sure.

What the OP is asking is why do the agnostics not "hedge" their bets and believe in God as there is "nothing to lose" with believing since they aren't sure either way.
I already answered his question in my 1st response. Don't people read anymore?

I'm really a dumbass tonight. I thought that if you're athiest you don't believe in god and religion while if you're agnostic you believe in god, but not religion (you kinda have your own religion).

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

Your unsupported assumption is that it would increase one's changes of being saved. It might not. What if the real God is one that doesn't like believers that base their beliefs on this type of reasoning? In that scenario you're screwed.

Besides, asking me to believe "just in case" appears from my perspective to be the equivalent of asking me to believe that there's an invisible fairy that sits permanently on my right shoulder, "just in case." Belief doesn't work that way for me. Can you just decide to believe that there is an invisible fairy sitting on YOUR shoulder right now? I very much doubt that you could if you were honest with yourself. I know I couldn't do it and be honest.

-Garth

That's kinda what I was trying to say.

Anyway I'm gonna stay out of this thread unless angstsoldat needs any help retieving teh goats.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Maybe we don't want to go to church every sunday?

You don't have to go to Church if you want to be a Christian.

I'm pretty sure it is frowned upon though. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

By whom?

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

The christian god?
Also by other christians.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
The christian god?
Also by other christians.

No.
Other christians don't get to decide who gets in.

Just my interpretation...............

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

You're making the huge assumption that people need to be "saved" in some fashion. Personally, I'd rather believe in the Aztec gods, so that I could cheerfully sacrifice people like you to them...

 

[0roo0roo]

lol theres a reason pascals wager is well known.. its old and well refuted

i'm sure its an easy google. gambling on god. which god? is god that stupid? u believe for selfish retarded reason. if i were god i'd strike u down just for that

 

[Landroval]

Because people can't force themselves to "believe" in Jesus and it wouldn't work to just say "I accept Jesus" in case

 

[Confused]

Because some people (like me) just don't give a crap one way or the other.

You can believe what you believe, and I will believe what I believe, and he ------> will believe what he believes.


The sooner everyone realises that people can believe something different, and that that's OK, the world will be a much better place.

 

[Red Dawn]

If you are agnostic why don't you just believe anyways?

Because Myths and Fairy Tales conjured up by flock buggering Sheep Herders seem far fetched at best.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Your logic starts with the assumption that there is such a god. One must first establish this.

Wait....we have to establish proof for a god before being saved?

I figure that'd be a good start. Wouldn't you?

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: MCrusty

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

WTF!?

I want to increase my change of being saved! oh please!!!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

Intellectual dishonesty is hard to live with for me.

So is self delusion.

 

[akubi]

downside to being religious, "just for the hell of it": wasted time and money

if you really believe in it, the time and effort spent in going to church, praying, paying money to churches, might be alright... if that brings you happiness.

but faking all that just for a "chance" to be "saved" is not worth it, if you don't truly believe... (and God should know you are not really into it, right?)

 

[Leper Messiah]

becuase believing in something for the sake of avoiding a negitive consequence is not truly believing at all.

My only soverign is reason. Crap like that.