If you are agnostic why don't you just believe anyways?

[GhettoPeanut]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
WTF. Religion is about faith, not fear.

haha, no its not, its about fear, its how it works, live in fear of a vengful god, use the bible as a source for a structured, hierarchal system of power, and make sure women dont get in the way.

i have a christian friend who just got married. i'm sorry, but hte bible is fed up.
"What man gives this woman" ... yeah, the woman is property passed from one man to the next....
then the whole part about the guy essentially being the master and the woman being the servent, real great stuff there.....

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
WTF. Religion is about faith, not fear.

I agree. This is why I hate fire and brimstone type churches. God is about love, not fear.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: angstsoldat
We should all adopt some arabic religion and sacrifice goats to our gods.

That'll be a 2 goat entrence fee btw.

that would be Judaism to Christianity . . . except the Jews preferred sheep to goats and Christians get to sacrifice their god instead for their salvation.

The "burden of proof" lies with the believers, not the unbelievers.
:roll:

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
gambling on god. which god? is god that stupid? u believe for selfish retarded reason. if i were god i'd strike u down just for that

:thumbsup:

 

[Hannover]

Originally posted by: angstsoldat

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Maybe we don't want to go to church every sunday? Or be able to eat pork? Or not have to pray 5 times a day? =P

I dont do any of that and I believe in my sacred gods that require Goats for the semi annual sacrifices.

Semi-annual ? Your god must be a weenie. Mine has me up to a monthly sacrifices.

On the plus side of things, there's plenty of cabrito to go around.

 

[0roo0roo]

this thread makes zeus angry.

 

[sourceninja]

i always carry a bomb with me when I fly. Because the chances of 2 bombs on a single plane are much less then 1 bomb.

Personally, I plan to live like a bastard, then go back to my catholic roots before I die and get last rites. Say I'm sorry and then boom, I'm golden. So who's up for Mexico, drinks, and killing hookers?

Seriously, if i was going to pick a religion, I dont even know where to start. Maybe I'll just be a ghost that follows my ancestors around for the rest of their lives. Maybe I'll come back as a fly because I'm a horrible person. Maybe I'll go to hell, but be shown the error of my ways and let into heaven. Maybe purgatory. Maybe I'll die in a great battle and winged valcarys (spelling?) will fly me away to drink and fight for the rest of my days.

It could be aliens, god, tiamat, Marduk, Shiva, Zeus, jupiter, mother earth, or even all in my head. But I'm not going to let anything ruin my fun by worrying about death my whole life.

 

[So]

Organized religion makes baby jesus cry...

 

[Hankerton]

I hate to use a moronically funny show (South Park) to prove a very good point:

Everyone is dead and at the pearly gates when St. Peter announces to everyone......"The correct religion is......the Mormans.....yes, the Mormans. I'm sorry, everyone else can go to hell!!"

haha, I hope someone remembers that episode.

 

[sonambulo]

...perhaps you don't understand the concept of omnipotence, no?

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Hankerton
I hate to use a moronically funny show (South Park) to prove a very good point:

Everyone is dead and at the pearly gates when St. Peter announces to everyone......"The correct religion is......the Mormans.....yes, the Mormans. I'm sorry, everyone else can go to hell!!"

haha, I hope someone remembers that episode.

yes i do. it's hilarious and demostrates the point very well

 

[dullard]

There is not and will not be definite proof of a supreme being or lack of a supreme being. But we all have to make decisions anyways.

Despite the fact that we cannot definitively prove a god exists, those who are religious choose to believe in a god. They feel it in their heart or think that the evidence for a god outweighs the evidence against a god. Thus they choose to believe.

Despite the fact that we cannot definitively prove a god doesn't exist, those who are religious choose not to believe in a god. They feel it in their heart or think that the evidence against a god outweighs the evidence for a god. Thus they choose to believe there isn't a god.

Agnostic people can't or won't make up their minds. Quick! Two people are drowning! Both people are quite different but roughly equal humans to you. You can save one if you try, if you don't both will die. Who do you save? The religious save person A, the athiests save person B. The agnostics say there isn't definite proof that either person A or person B is better and thus they cannot choose. Both drown. Agnostics then hold their head up high and say that others are morons for choosing.

 

[mercanucaribe]

You know there is no tooth fairy, why don't you believe anyway? Maybe you'll get some free money.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: rainepar
Pascals wager comes to mind. You're leaving open the possibility of their being a god, so why not just believe in at least one? It increases your chances of being saved. I don't see how you can be agnostic...unless you just love taking risks.

Don't make me slap you. How can you believe in something with no proof...unless you just love being stupid.

 

[FreshFish]

I would think that choosing no religion would be better than choosing the WRONG religion in the eyes of a vengeful god

 

[Haps]

Belief is not something you can choose to do. You either believe or you do not. I can't just choose to believe the sky is red.

 

[nakedfrog]

Pascal's Wager would hold a little more water if there were only one religion to choose from. Adding a multitude of incompatible religions makes the bet a bit more difficult.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I would think that choosing no religion would be better than choosing the WRONG religion in the eyes of a vengeful god

This is my problem with most mainstream religions. They believe you can't please God or get into Heaven without believing in God/Jesus. A majority of Christians believe in salvation by faith alone.

My opinion, which doesn't matter, is that God is not so vain as to not reward good, honest, hardworking people who do not believe in his existance.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
My opinion, which doesn't matter, is that God is not so vain as to not reward good, honest, hardworking people who do not believe in his existance.

So you'd make a perfect athiest. According to that logic, if there is a god and you were wrong, you still get in.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dullard
There is not and will not be definite proof of a supreme being or lack of a supreme being. But we all have to make decisions anyways.

Despite the fact that we cannot definitively prove a god exists, those who are religious choose to believe in a god. They feel it in their heart or think that the evidence for a god outweighs the evidence against a god. Thus they choose to believe.

Despite the fact that we cannot definitively prove a god doesn't exist, those who are religious choose not to believe in a god. They feel it in their heart or think that the evidence against a god outweighs the evidence for a god. Thus they choose to believe there isn't a god.

Agnostic people can't or won't make up their minds. Quick! Two people are drowning! Both people are quite different but roughly equal humans to you. You can save one if you try, if you don't both will die. Who do you save? The religious save person A, the athiests save person B. The agnostics say there isn't definite proof that either person A or person B is better and thus they cannot choose. Both drown. Agnostics then hold their head up high and say that others are morons for choosing.

The agnostic may just stop and consider:

Perhaps the athiests don't believe they are drowning

The religious person is already "saved" and doesn't need help



:roll:

or perhaps they don't think and just jump in and drown themselves . .. or rescue both

i think your analogy needs 'work'



Actually - IMO - most people DON'T THINK or choose . . . they just 'accept' their parent's religious choice [even though they may disagree with everything else]

 

[bockchow]

a little bit of my faith in humanity is lost every time i come to OT...

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: joshsquall
My opinion, which doesn't matter, is that God is not so vain as to not reward good, honest, hardworking people who do not believe in his existance.

So you'd make a perfect athiest. According to that logic, if there is a god and you were wrong, you still get in.

But it's still nice to make God happy by believing in him and wanting to be close to him. Make him proud. Who doesn't like making their parents happy?

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: bockchow
a little bit of my faith in humanity is lost every time i come to OT...

Don't EVER go to P&N...you will explode

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i think your analogy needs 'work'

I don't think it is that bad. Lets just say this: we know there isn't any smoking gun. However there is circumstancial evidence. How you weigh each piece of circumstancial evidence will vary from person to person. But just assign weights the damn stuff and make up your mind. You can always change your mind if more evidence is found or if you change your feelings on the various weights. You gain nothing my not making up your mind.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bockchow
a little bit of my faith in humanity is lost every time i come to OT...

1) don't come to OT
2) perhaps your original "faith" is misplaced and it is a 'good thing'