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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Christian converts in India often take Christian names.

It's quite common to find Adam, Eve, Matthew, Mary, John, Jane, Paul, Jemima, Peter, Naomi, etc. in India as the given names.
There are always exceptions to the rule and when I answer the phone and the guy says my name is Sam yet he is from India or Indonesia......yeah right!! Keep believing your diatribe!
 

JEDIYoda

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OP seems to be incredulous at the possibility that somebody in Bangalore could be named Steven. I'm saying it happens and is legit.

Also, my very christian parents named their kids after pre-christian figures. And my white-trash cousins did the made-up-sort-of-native-american-sounding stripper name thing for their kids.
Your incredulous to believe that just because one person out a million is named Sam or Steven negates what the OP said is true!!
 

raildogg

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Don't blame these guys for taking on a Western name. The companies they work for apparently believe Western people will favor someone with a Western name. So it's not the fault of the caller. They are doing what they think will make them more money.

There are courses in India I believe where they teach you how to speak with an American accent.

So next time someone with a Southern accent named Bobby calls you, he might actually be from Madras.
 

cronos

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There are always exceptions to the rule and when I answer the phone and the guy says my name is Sam yet he is from India or Indonesia......yeah right!! Keep believing your diatribe!

This is exactly the ignorance that I was talking about above. I understand that you are picking 'Sam' as (what you thought to be) a random 'American' name, but there are two (well known/local celebrity) Indonesian 'Sam' who were born in the 1920s and 1940s (they are both singers), and I personally know at least two Sams that were born in the 1970s. These are not 'exceptions to the rule', and hundreds of thousands of 'Sams' probably exist in Indonesia in the past 100 years (yes I was guessing, but it's not unrealistic in a country of 250 million people).

The truth is you have zero idea about how people are really named in these countries, so stop talking about things you don't know about.
 

Ruptga

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Don't blame these guys for taking on a Western name. The companies they work for apparently believe Western people will favor someone with a Western name. So it's not the fault of the caller. They are doing what they think will make them more money.

They're not exactly wrong, all people are naturally more at ease with those they identify with, but a person with an awful Indian accent telling you that their name is John is a bit like Superman putting on some glasses and pretending to be some reporter... while his cape billows in the wind.

Frankly, it's insulting to the customers and the employees.
 
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lxskllr

No Lifer
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There's a guy I deal with occasionally named Frank, aka Farshad. I usually refer to him as Farshad.
 

disappoint

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It seems like more and more Chinese have western first names too. Whats kinda funny is they are sometimes old school western names, like Beatrice, Eunice, etc.

Eunice reminds me of Unix, and I got to thinking. And I'm going to post about it, because I get to thinking and posting random goofy thoughts all the time. What kind of a name is Unix for an operating system? What is it a Eunuch? An OS with no genitals? I don't want any OS if I can't tell it to go fuck itself.
 

Braznor

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As a person who has really wirked in a call center( Dell Technical support), here is my side of the story.

1, Your companies believe the American consumer is a dumb retard and this is 90% true. This forum might be an exception, but it is true for the most part. The average American simply finds it impossible to pronounce foreign names.

2, Don't think a tech support guy in America is a whiz while all Indians read from scripts. We had access to the performance metrics of all teams globally and the American ones were below average, Realize that our competition for performance scores was global.

3. The American names given to any rep was a variation of that rep's last names. All complex names were reduced to simple names and this included complicated names of American techs too.

4. We were completely honest with the customers all the time. If the customer asked for our original names, we gave them the same unhesitatingly.

5. 99.99% of our customers were nice people. A rep would encounter a dick very rarely.

This was my experience in Dell over a decade ago.
 

JEDIYoda

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This is exactly the ignorance that I was talking about above. I understand that you are picking 'Sam' as (what you thought to be) a random 'American' name, but there are two (well known/local celebrity) Indonesian 'Sam' who were born in the 1920s and 1940s (they are both singers), and I personally know at least two Sams that were born in the 1970s. These are not 'exceptions to the rule', and hundreds of thousands of 'Sams' probably exist in Indonesia in the past 100 years (yes I was guessing, but it's not unrealistic in a country of 250 million people).

The truth is you have zero idea about how people are really named in these countries, so stop talking about things you don't know about.
The problem is that you cannot open your eyes enough to understand that these call centers are based in India and other places and they understand that it makes people from America feel more at ease if we are talking with somebody with an "American sounding" name!!

Truth is I know quite a bit more than you do about India! In Indian society American names are not the norm....regardless if they are Christian or NOT!!

Sure you can find exceptions to the rule.....so lets see in a country at last count of 1.25 Billion as of 2013.......just for kicks lets say 1/2 are men...of course we know that's not accurate...could be more or less....

So what do you believe the percentages are when comparing Indians with Indian names and Indians with American names?? can`t be higher than 100,000 at best which wouldn`t even be close to 1%....so what exactly was your point???
 

JEDIYoda

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As a person who has really wirked in a call center( Dell Technical support), here is my side of the story.

1, Your companies believe the American consumer is a dumb retard and this is 90% true. This forum might be an exception, but it is true for the most part. The average American simply finds it impossible to pronounce foreign names.

2, Don't think a tech support guy in America is a whiz while all Indians read from scripts. We had access to the performance metrics of all teams globally and the American ones were below average, Realize that our competition for performance scores was global.

3. The American names given to any rep was a variation of that rep's last names. All complex names were reduced to simple names and this included complicated names of American techs too.

4. We were completely honest with the customers all the time. If the customer asked for our original names, we gave them the same unhesitatingly.

5. 99.99% of our customers were nice people. A rep would encounter a dick very rarely.

This was my experience in Dell over a decade ago.
I found that to be true!! Well said!!
 

JEDIYoda

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They're not exactly wrong, all people are naturally more at ease with those they identify with, but a person with an awful Indian accent telling you that their name is John is a bit like Superman putting on some glasses and pretending to be some reporter... while his cape billows in the wind.

Frankly, it's insulting to the customers and the employees.
also true....
 

cronos

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The problem is that you cannot open your eyes enough to understand that these call centers are based in India and other places and they understand that it makes people from America feel more at ease if we are talking with somebody with an "American sounding" name!!

Truth is I know quite a bit more than you do about India! In Indian society American names are not the norm....regardless if they are Christian or NOT!!

Sure you can find exceptions to the rule.....so lets see in a country at last count of 1.25 Billion as of 2013.......just for kicks lets say 1/2 are men...of course we know that's not accurate...could be more or less....

So what do you believe the percentages are when comparing Indians with Indian names and Indians with American names?? can`t be higher than 100,000 at best which wouldn`t even be close to 1%....so what exactly was your point???

Please find anywhere in my reply to you about anything in India. I mentioned nothing about India because I know nothing about India.

You mentioned specifically about Indonesia and how a name 'Sam' is ridiculous. I was telling you that you have no idea what you're talking about.

My point is that you made a huge mistake in making Indonesia as your example. We have a few posters here from Indonesia and they will confirm to you that Indonesian's names are taken from all over the world, especially nowadays.
 
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JEDIYoda

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You mentioned specifically about Indonesia and how a name 'Sam' is ridiculous. <-- I did not say or use the word ridiculous! You did..truth hurts huh?

I was telling you that you have no idea what you're talking about.<-- again you are wrong!!
My point is that you made a huge mistake in making Indonesia as your example. We have a few posters here from Indonesia and they will confirm to you that Indonesian's names are taken from all over the world, especially nowadays.

So sorry but you need to back up what you say with a link...
Your diatribe does not befit these forums.....

You do not have a clue...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_names --- Indonesian names and naming customs reflect the multicultural and the polyglot nature of Indonesia which is an archipelago of over 17,000 islands. It is the world's fourth most populous nation comprising about 365 tribal-ethnic groups, containing enormous ethnic, religious, and linguistic diversity. There are over sixty ethnic groups officially recognized in the country, each with their own culture, customs, and language, with the Javanese being the largest single group (40%).

Indonesians do not generally use the Western naming practice of a given first name and a family last name. The majority of Indonesians do not have family names as westerners would understand them, but such names as are given are geographically and culturally specific. For instance, names beginning with "Su" in Indonesian spelling ("Soe" in Dutch orthography), or ending with an "o" are usually Javanese, for example Suprapto/Soeprapto, Joko. Balinese names are quite distinct, as they have a naming system which denotes birth order (Wayan: first born, Made: second born, etc.) and caste (I Gusti for Kshatriya, etc.), as well as gender beside personal names. Sitompul and Rajagukguk are clan names usually found in people with Batak or North Sumatran heritage. In general, Indonesian names fall into one of the following categories (in order of popularity):
 

inf1nity

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It's also "kind of" a xenophobic and even low-level racist thread.

As has been pointed out more than once:

1) Such names do exist in India. Imagine that!

2) Elsewise, these CSR's are instructed to assume an easily digested White Man Name.

Show some class. Show some empathy for these (low) wage drones. Please put a semi-mature check on your reactive intolerance. You're a much better man than that.


Hold on a second my man. You aren't Indian are you? Why are you being offended about a harmless observation made by someone when actual Indians like me aren't? You missed the posts that were actually offensive like this one, and instead made a big deal of a trivial issue, forcing one of the more rational and constructive members of the forum to quit.

Not cool man. Not cool at all. :\
 

Bob the Coder

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Hold on a second my man. You aren't Indian are you? Why are you being offended about a harmless observation made by someone when actual Indians like me aren't? You missed the posts that were actually offensive like this one, and instead made a big deal of a trivial issue, forcing one of the more rational and constructive members of the forum to quit.

Not cool man. Not cool at all. :\

White guilt?
 

rudeguy

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Hold on a second my man. You aren't Indian are you? Why are you being offended about a harmless observation made by someone when actual Indians like me aren't? You missed the posts that were actually offensive like this one, and instead made a big deal of a trivial issue, forcing one of the more rational and constructive members of the forum to quit.

Not cool man. Not cool at all. :\

I'm going to speak honestly and try to leave names out of this. If I offend someone, good. Take an honest look at yourself and deal with your own racism.

The problem at this forum has always been the closet racists. There are people who believe themselves to be the white knights of all races. They honestly believe they are helping other races by striking out at anyone who dates bring up anything that could possibly be negative about anyone who isn't white. I understand the thinking but I find it extremely racist. The problem is those people are racist and don't know the difference between talking about races, joking about races or being racist because in their mind its all the same. Again to be clear: THESE PEOPLE ARE RACIST SCUM.

Then there is another group of people who are in the very extreme minority who are openly racist and post as such. The first group of people uses this second group of people as an excuse to banish all discussion of races. This is simply because the first group can't publicly agree with the second group. Its easier to sweep all talk of race under the rug than actually admit they are racist. Out of the thousands of active posters there are maybe 30 who are real racists. Why not ban them and not take it out on good people? Good question.

Then there is the third group of people. These are the extreme majority of posters. They don't care about race. They don't judge others on something as shallow as skin color. These are the good people.

So we all sit around on pins and needles any time someone who isn't white does something wrong or something funny or something annoying. We are all branded as racists because the first group will strike out at anyone they can simply to mask their own racism.
 

inf1nity

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The passion in Freds speech was all it took for the stranger who was a massive Bollywood producer to make him an offer he couldn't possibly refuse.

Fred got dropped off at his door that night by a limo. The $500 in his pocket did little to numb the strange taste in the back of his mouth but he knew he could feed his family that month.


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cronos

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I think you guys are mistaken if you're taking this discussion into racism vs not-racism. I personally don't think that there's anything racist about the original post. I just think it is borderline xenophobic to joke about not believing that people from certain countries are named a certain way. The implication is that these people don't deserve to be named X or Y and therefore they must be lying. You simply have to believe that implication otherwise the joke is not funny at all.
 

rudeguy

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I think you guys are mistaken if you're taking this discussion into racism vs not-racism. I personally don't think that there's anything racist about the original post. I just think it is borderline xenophobic to joke about not believing that people from certain countries are named a certain way. The implication is that these people don't deserve to be named X or Y and therefore they must be lying. You simply have to believe that implication otherwise the joke is not funny at all.

Way to project!

Nothing close to that was implied. Care to tell us why you think people in India don't deserve a white name?
 

inf1nity

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I think you guys are mistaken if you're taking this discussion into racism vs not-racism. I personally don't think that there's anything racist about the original post. I just think it is borderline xenophobic to joke about not believing that people from certain countries are named a certain way. The implication is that these people don't deserve to be named X or Y and therefore they must be lying. You simply have to believe that implication otherwise the joke is not funny at all.

Frankly, if someone has not visited another country, it is okay for them to have incorrect assumptions about it. Doesn't make it xenophobia.

Also, the phenomenon discussed in the thread(companies asking their employees to assume American names) is true and does happen.
 

cronos

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Way to project!

Nothing close to that was implied. Care to tell us why you think people in India don't deserve a white name?

You're saying 'white name' intentionally to troll, right? Well, I'm not taking the bait

Anyway, you and I both know that I can't answer that question because clearly that's not what I think.
 
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