If you are going to act like a douche... don't post the evidence to youtube!

[Bob the Coder]

Pizza guy wasn't petulant or argumentative, he had a righteous beef with these fools and he stated his case succinctly and calmly.

I doubt this incident will hurt their revenue. Based on the quality of loser they employ in this joint (even by car salesman standards), coupled with the reviews on dealerrater (which were posted prior to this), my guess is that this is the kind of D-grade dealership you go to when your credit rating is for shit and you have to settle for a 30% APR on your loan. In other words, their prospects aren't picky.

 

[Mai72]

I really don't get the point of doing this. The dude works in a customer-facing job and had a shitty customer... welcome to the real world? You'll have customers who treat you well and those that treat you like scum. I'm glad the scummy bastards got what was coming to them, but to give the guy $20,000? Hell, I tip well (usually between 25-30%), but fuck that.... Call me heartless, but it's not like the guy was set to financial ruin because of this event... he was out $7.

Holysh*t! Over $15k because a customer was being an asshole. It sucks that it happened, but it's called life. Bad things happen. You get up, brush yourself off and start over. I don't know I'd give this guy any money though.

 

[KeithTalent]

Man, what a bunch of jerks. Driver seemed very reasonable.

KT

Edit: not sure I agree with anyone being fired over this really. Seems like everybody wants everyone else fired as soon as there is any little bit of perceived injustice.

 

[Bob the Coder]

There's a great bitch scrap going down on Michael Ramos' FB page. Jenna O'Neil is calling it as it is, while Ramos' ex is all over her for not accepting that there are two sides to every story. "So where's Michael's side?"

Crickets

 

[Blitzvogel]

Damn, e-justice, you're scary. I can't say I completely agree with people getting fired over this, as well as the barrage of negative reviews the dealership is receiving. However, I guess in the end, the people dealing with the pizza driver should've known better than to act like assholes.

 

[Bob the Coder]

Damn, e-justice, you're scary. I can't say I completely agree with people getting fired over this.

I agree with the e-justice wholeheartedly, and the fact that it's the assholes imploding on themselves and doing the firing makes it all the better. This is pure, unadulterated karma. That it's happening to a cut-rate dealership is proof of such.

Looking at their reviews on dealerrating, it's clear that they are your stereotypical fuck-you-at-whatever-cost collection of stiffs. They screw people over because they can.

Specific to the current issue, one employee threatened the delivery guy physically (ghetto girl). Another called his manager to get the guy in trouble, and then threatened the delivery guy with his job (blue bald guy). Another pushed to have the manager called again to get the guy fired (bible-thumping bald guy in plaid). Then the owner posted the video to YouTube. Now bible-thumping bald guy is trying to scapegoat their IT guy (see his FB page).

These are first class grade A scumbags who make a living out of fucking people over, and tried to fuck pizza guy over $7. They all deserve the backstabbing they get from one another, up to and including their own termination.

No sympathy.

 

[Genx87]

I hate women who act all tough like that. Yeah sure thing there sugar tits. I'm sure you are going to kick this guy in the ass if you didn't have 3 dudes there to protect you when the guy turns around and knocks you the eff out.

I do find it enjoyable when a-holes feel the wrath of the internet.

 

[Genx87]

That guys fb is rather amusing. He is claiming their IT tech guy stole the tape and posted it under his bosses name lol. Oh yeah and they are trying to hunt him down as we speak. Like there are roving herds of IT guys that migrate across the country or something. Really hard to find your IT guy!

 

[Bob the Coder]

That guys fb is rather amusing. He is claiming their IT tech guy stole the tape and posted it under his bosses name lol. Oh yeah and they are trying to hunt him down as we speak. Like there are roving herds of IT guys that migrate across the country or something. Really hard to find your IT guy!

This is one of the few joys of being subjected to stupid people: stories and excuses that make perfect sense to them provide wonderful hilarity to normal people.

"We gave you the extra bill to even things out" lolwut?

"Our IT guy stole the tape and posted it under the owners account" lolwut?

I was watching Forensic Files last night. Some broad killed husband #1 and husband #2 with antifreeze. She tried to scapegoat her daughter by attempting to kill her, and then writing a note from her claiming ownership of the two murders. The note acknowledged the use of antifreeze in both murders.

Unfortunately, the daughter was 12 when husband #1 was killed. She was in school when the note was created on the family computer, and MS Word had only been used under mom's account.

Total ownage. Were it not for the travesty of the whole thing (two murdered husbands, and an attempted murder/framing of the woman's own daughter), the idiocy would have been comical. Of course in mom's clinically retarded head, the story was iron clad and unimpeachable.

 

[Blitzvogel]

I agree with the e-justice wholeheartedly, and the fact that it's the assholes imploding on themselves and doing the firing makes it all the better. This is pure, unadulterated karma. That it's happening to a cut-rate dealership is proof of such.

Looking at their reviews on dealerrating, it's clear that they are your stereotypical fuck-you-at-whatever-cost collection of stiffs. They screw people over because they can.

Specific to the current issue, one employee threatened the delivery guy physically (ghetto girl). Another called his manager to get the guy in trouble, and then threatened the delivery guy with his job (blue bald guy). Another pushed to have the manager called again to get the guy fired (bible-thumping bald guy in plaid). Then the owner posted the video to YouTube. Now bible-thumping bald guy is trying to scapegoat their IT guy (see his FB page).

These are first class grade A scumbags who make a living out of fucking people over, and tried to fuck pizza guy over $7. They all deserve the backstabbing they get from one another, up to and including their own termination.

No sympathy.

I don't know the guys. While I can judge 'em for a day, I can't judge 'em for a year. Those giving the e-justice will probably make it very difficult for these guys to get another source of income. Things are too permanent these days. Any family they might have may suffer as a result. And then, what if they have to apply for government assistance? It may just end up costing taxpayers.

I'm not kidding. The way the internet delivers justice has the possibility of ruining a person for life. The reality is issues like this I think deserve some level of privacy between the parties involved. While making something like this public is probably deserved, I think going out of the way to ruin a person is not.

I believe in justice but I also believe in some level of mercy. The owner firing the employees is totally justified, as they represent him and his business when he is not there. But internet people are going after their families, which is completely unnecessary. Someone should ask the driver what he wants out of all this.

 

[Scarpozzi]

The driver shouldn't have gone back. If I were a pizza place I wouldn't want them for customers.

 

[Bob the Coder]

I don't know the guys. While I can judge 'em for a day, I can't judge 'em for a year. Those giving the e-justice will probably make it very difficult for these guys to get another source of income. Things are too permanent these days. Any family they might have may suffer as a result. And then, what if they have to apply for government assistance? It may just end up costing taxpayers.

I'm not kidding. The way the internet delivers justice has the possibility of ruining a person for life. The reality is issues like this I think deserve some level of privacy between the parties involved. While making something like this public isn't out of the realm of deserved, I think going out of the way to ruin a person isn't not.

I believe in justice but I also believe in some level of mercy.

I can certainly appreciate what you're saying... permanence, mercy, privacy, etc. However, these fools tried to dispsense the justice with which they're currently being served originally upon the pizza guy. Furthermore, they were not robbed of privacy; they deliberately and explicitly waived it by collecting the footage, editing/packaging it, and then publishing it publicly. Their miscalculation of how it would be received and their subsequent hindsight regret is not relevant to me.

They tried to humiliate a guy and publicly shame him. They have a clear record of screwing with this pizza place for sport, which interferes with that establishment's own profitability and sustainability. They have an established track record of bending their customers over by leveraging their position of power (read: zero post-sale accountability).

At some point, mercy goes out the window. That point is somewhat arbitrary for most of us, but they have crossed that point with me.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Most car dealers are scum bags, so, I am not surprised by this behavior at all.

Also, LOL at how the delivery guy got fucked, yet some feel it's totally not the case and how he should not have gotten any tip to begin with - or complain for what they did to him.

It's like he should have been placed in prison or executed for daring to feel he is "entitled" to a $7 tip. Or, maybe he should have fallen down on his knees and thanked them? Or, kissed each of their asses? Or, issue a 12 page survey to confirm they really did want to give him a $7 tip?

I am not sure how these buffoons are anywhere in the right here. They handed him an additional $5:

The total bill for the pizza and drinks was just over $42, Hernandez said, and dealership workers gave Tansey $50 in two twenties and two fives.

What and how else should that additional $5 have been interpreted as?

And, the foot in the ass comment? Oh please. These people are clearly raging morons. Who do not know how to count money, made a mistake and then got all hur dur dur tough guy on someone that frankly did not deserve this kind of treatment.

 

[PingviN]

People on the internet have too much money.

 

[Blitzvogel]

I can certainly appreciate what you're saying... permanence, mercy, privacy, etc. However, these fools tried to dispsense the justice with which they're currently being served originally upon the pizza guy. Furthermore, they were not robbed of privacy; they deliberately and explicitly waived it by collecting the footage, editing/packaging it, and then publishing it publicly. Their miscalculation of how it would be received and their subsequent hindsight regret is not relevant to me.

They tried to humiliate a guy and publicly shame him. They have a clear record of screwing with this pizza place for sport, which interferes with that establishment's own profitability and sustainability. They have an established track record of bending their customers over by leveraging their position of power (read: zero post-sale accountability).

At some point, mercy goes out the window. That point is somewhat arbitrary for most of us, but they have crossed that point with me.

We don't know who released the footage yet. Your points make sense though. However, the pizza place should've blacklisted the dealership from business long ago. It just concerns me that e-justice is handed out indiscriminately. There's a lack of real moderation that might have bad consequences for others. It's like trying to punish someone by burning their house down, and in the process burning down the whole block.

 

[Newell Steamer]

People on the internet have too much money.

It is not just about the internet. Random folks will give out money.

About 20 year ago, there was this story on 20/20, where two types of letters (asking for money/donations) went out to random folks in the US via the postal service.

Letter #1 was about a newly wed couple, looking for a helping hand. They got some money (I don't remember the amount, but it was pretty small) as well as a few nasty letters telling them that if they had financial troubles, they shouldn't have gotten married to begin with. And, how they need to take personal responsibility for their own finances, etc.

Letter #2 was about a recently released from prison former business man, who was in there for some financial related fraud. He was asking for money to help rebuild his business - and, he got far more money than the newly wed couple.

People will find a cause to support, no matter how much you, I or anyone else disagrees.

And, with the advent of the internet, punishing bullies or bad behavior is not only swift and vicious, but also supportive of the person who was wronged - provided they themselves aren't assholes or brainless/clueless dolts.

 

[Bob the Coder]

We don't know who released the footage yet.

It was posted from the owner's account. Granted, the folks who have been caught in their own flames are now claiming a rogue IT guy stole the footage and posted it on behalf of the owner, it's safe to assume that's an act of desperation carried out in the name of self preservation. It's not like we have a nun with a sterling record of good will who's name is now attached to a despicable upload; we have shitheads acting like shitheads, and in classic shithead form, they published their shitheadedness out of a severely misguided sense of self-righteousness in the midst of a power-tripping high.

It just concerns me that e-justice is handed out indiscriminately.

Agreed on the potential collateral damage that e-justice can deliver.

It's like trying to punish someone by burning their house down, and in the process burning down the whole block.

Possible, but I haven't seen it yet with this incident. So far, no one has been caught in the flames aside from the idiots that ignited them. If their car detailer can't get work down the road because he was erroneously called out alongside these morons, that would not be a good thing. But as of right now, only the possessed, condemned house on the block is aflame. The block will be better for it. For instance, if this dealership crumbles (crosses fingers), it will be one less crooked/corrupt scam operation taking advantage of the unintelligent and unfortunate.

 

[Mai72]

It is not just about the internet. Random folks will give out money.

About 20 year ago, there was this story on 20/20, where two types of letters (asking for money/donations) went out to random folks in the US via the postal service.

Letter #1 was about a newly wed couple, looking for a helping hand. They got some money (I don't remember the amount, but it was pretty small) as well as a few nasty letters telling them that if they had financial troubles, they shouldn't have gotten married to begin with. And, how they need to take personal responsibility for their own finances, etc.

Letter #2 was about a recently released from prison former business man, who was in there for some financial related fraud. He was asking for money to help rebuild his business - and, he got far more money than the newly wed couple.

People will find a cause to support, no matter how much you, I or anyone else disagrees.

And, with the advent of the internet, punishing bullies or bad behavior is not only swift and vicious, but also supportive of the person who was wronged - provided they themselves aren't assholes or brainless/clueless dolts.

When people give money I think it's because they see an injustice and feel empathy. That's exactly what happened in your 2nd scenario. This is also why people felt bad for the pizza guy. Also, I feel that most people have some type of connection with the pizza guy. Most of us have dealt with the public before, and we all know how hard it is. A lot of people have delivered pizza before, and we know that the job is difficult and thankless. Add in the behavior of the idiots behind the desk, and I can see why people are donating money.

I still disagree with the amount though. If I was going to donate money it would go to something more worthwhile.

 

[Blitzvogel]

I agree with the "one less crooked/corrupt scam operation". Too many people do business without knowing what they are getting into. I'd blame both sides since you have one side willingly taking advantage of people and you have the idiot customer who doesn't read the fine print.

I guess we'll just let this one play out. Does the delivery driver deserve the huge amount of "tips" he's getting from crowd funding? I don't think so, unless you count his participation in bringing the idiot dealership to light. I hope he shares some of the money with his coworkers.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When people give money I think it's because they see an injustice and feel empathy. That's exactly what happened in your 2nd scenario. This is also why people felt bad for the pizza guy. Also, I feel that most people have some type of connection with the pizza guy. Most of us have dealt with the public before, and we all know how hard it is. A lot of people have delivered pizza before, and we know that the job is difficult and thankless. Add in the behavior of the idiots behind the desk, and I can see why people are donating money.

I still disagree with the amount though. If I was going to donate money it would go to something more worthwhile.

Agreed. I would not donate anything to him.

I would certainly tip him, like any other delivery person who brings me food. But, I see no reason to send him money - for myself. If those people want to,.. well, whatever.

I also would not be part of any 'retaliation' either. I can understand why people on the net are acting like they are (fake yelp reviews, CSI detective work, etc.),.. but, no thanks - I won't partake.

 

[Bob the Coder]

Does the delivery driver deserve the huge amount of "tips" he's getting from crowd funding? I don't think so, unless you count his participation in bringing the idiot dealership to light. I hope he shares some of the money with his coworkers.

Agree with you 100% there - I definitely don't understand all the donations.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Girl was already fired apparently.

Interview with her here:

http://fun107.com/fr-auto-sales-girl-in-the-green-hat-speaks/

They claimed she was fired but she says that their management told her she could come back when it "blows over." She just said she doesn't want to go back and that they told her if she spoke out, she would be permanently fired.


I have to laugh at all this -- it is a scummy, crappy little car sales place. They have no room to belittle anyone, working at a place like that.

 

[rudder]

Agree with you 100% there - I definitely don't understand all the donations.

My guess is that it is a statement to the douchebags at auto place harrasing a pizza delivery guy. But beyond maybe a couple hundred bucks... whats the point. Plus Who knows who even set the gofundme page up.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Also read in one of the articles that the pizza place claims they've had problems with F&R Auto Sales before. Shocking, I know.

 

[angminas]

(talking out of their ass)

Wow. Went a little far there, didn't you?