If you believe in heaven, I have a question for you

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

Even being a christian, im not sure this is entirely accurate.
Ive often hear heaven compared to what eden (paradise) was before the entrance of sin and the downfall of man. Which seemed to have daily life, etc.
Im not sure about sex and marriage and reproduction as it doesnt seem to fit the picture, but i definately see heaven as a return to creation as the way it was intended.

johnsqall is pretty close to the accepted view of the Church today.

The things that you mentioned sao123 are philosophies that were pulled into Christianity through mostly Greek and Roman influence. I would add Jewish influence as well, but most of that, at least in this area, also came from Greek and Roman.

Christian theology points to no one being married to anyone in Heaven. Actually, the scribes and Pharisees asked the same question of Jesus and he answered with just that.

"No sex in the Champagne room." Sorry for anyone disappointed.

 

[CKent]

:laugh: at this thread

 

[dugweb]

this thread is sad I hope like hell that heaven is not like people are describing in here.

no pun intended

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

wow... just wow.

To the OP: I think you have the right idea... I have no idea how the situations you described will turn out, but you are deffinatly with your family in heaven.

I don't know, I kinda feel like if we are God's children, and I'd like to think he loves us and finds joy in our living (even though He may be frustrated with how we live) he would want that same joy for us. In fact he's given us a glimpse of what that joy is by allowing families to be raised here. I cannot believe the ideas of heaven suggested in here wherein "we won't care" or "you won't have family relationships" are the solutions to love found here on earth

 

[apinomus]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: lozina
Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?

Earthly relationships no longer exist. You will of course know and recognize your family, but you won't be married.

This is what I believe. You are there to worship God, not primarily enjoy your time with previous loved ones.

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: apinomus

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: lozina
Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?

Earthly relationships no longer exist. You will of course know and recognize your family, but you won't be married.

This is what I believe. You are there to worship God, not primarily enjoy your time with previous loved ones.

Thats heaven? To worship god 24/7 and not to enjoy time with previous loved ones? Sounds like hell to me.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: tec699
Prove that god exist!! Prove it!!!!


:|

You're living proof that there is no way abiogenesis and evolution is your origin. It is just not scientifically possible. :shocked:

 

[Adica]

OK well, I think that you will be with your soulmate in Heaven, whom is your wife. That's why we are ever searching for a soulmate, so we can spend eternity with that person. Let your kids pass on and be with their soulmates (wives, husbands, maybe S/O). I am sure in Heaven you can visit your children.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

Gee, Heaven sounds like just such a great place...

/sarcasm

 

[adwilk]

I respectfully Disagree with nuclear ned. The bible says that Jesus went to prepare a place for us. Keep in mind, we are taught to believe as christians that God created the earth in 7days. If you've seen the beauty and complexity of all creation, imagine what God can do in 2 thousand years, or longer. Just an abstract thought to keep in mind. God really needs no time at all to create what he wishes but i think you see my point. Heaven is a real physical place. Some religions do believe that there will be sex and relationships and virgins and all that but christians are taught to believe that when are hearts become pure and the body is left behind, our passions and wants will change. You will no longer need the physical and emotional attention that a wife or husband or children or family can give. I dont know what our passion will be, but either way, it is considered to paradise. Our instincts that we have devolped will be useless "up there".

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: adwilk
I respectfully Disagree with nuclear ned. The bible says that Jesus went to prepare a place for us. Keep in mind, we are taught to believe as christians that God created the earth in 7days. If you've seen the beauty and complexity of all creation, imagine what God can do in 2 thousand years, or longer. Just an abstract thought to keep in mind. God really needs no time at all to create what he wishes but i think you see my point. Heaven is a real physical place. Some religions do believe that there will be sex and relationships and virgins and all that but christians are taught to believe that when are hearts become pure and the body is left behind, our passions and wants will change. You will no longer need the physical and emotional attention that a wife or husband or children or family can give. I dont know what our passion will be, but either way, it is considered to paradise. Our instincts that we have devolped will be useless "up there".

Mark 7
Marriage at the Resurrection
18Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19"Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother. 20Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23At the resurrection[c] whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?"
24Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26Now about the dead rising?have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'[d]? 27He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

Luke 20
The Resurrection and Marriage
27Some of the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus with a question. 28"Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother. 29Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died childless. 30The second 31and then the third married her, and in the same way the seven died, leaving no children. 32Finally, the woman died too. 33Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?"
34Jesus replied, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord 'the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.'[c] 38He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."

39Some of the teachers of the law responded, "Well said, teacher!" 40And no one dared to ask him any more questions.

 

[DVK916]

Heaven doesn't exist. When we die our bodies decompose and turn to dirt. Sorry but that is the reality of things. There is no "soul" that lives forever.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

I completely disagree.

First off, there may be a small technicality that most people (including die-hard Christians) miss. Many (most?) educated theologens believe that nobody is going to Heaven. Instead, we may all live forever on a perfected Earth, restored as it was when it was first created, before it was corrupted by evil and sin. The "renewed" Earth is written about in many places throughout the Bible, but for some reason most people have it in their heads that Heaven is their final destination.

To get some idea of what it will be like to live in this perfect place, look at the first few chapters of Genesis, specifically the parts before the fall of man. Man lived in a perfect beautiful place where everything is in harmony. Man is in perfect harmony with his environment, other creatures, God, etc. Death is not present anywhere. While Adam does spend his time talking with God, there is no mention of non-stop praise like joshsquall thinks.

Instead, you will find that before the fall of man, God tells Adam to do things like this:

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." (Genesis 2:15).

And more:

"Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

My personal belief (that many Christians reject) is that these verses give us a glimpse of the existences that God wanted for people before we sinned and screwed up everything. Further, it is my belief that this is still God's plan for us, and that some day he will restore everything back to the way it was. To me, that sounds pretty good - certainly much better than sitting around on a cloud with my harp singing songs.

Nicely put but I still believe it is bullshat...IMHO.


Ausm

 

[OhioState]

Originally posted by: car3
heaven isn't your idea of heaven

AMEN

 

[DVK916]

Actually in the Christian view of heaven, think of heaven as been a giant slave place, were you are the slave and god is the master. Think of hell as a place were you are tortured forever, and god is doing the torturing.

 

[Trevelyan]

Here is some good knowledge:

Question: "Will there be marriage in heaven?"

Answer: The Bible tells us, ?At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven? (Matthew 22:30). This was Jesus? answer in response to a question concerning a woman who had been married multiple times in her life ? who would she be married to in heaven (Matthew 22:23-28)? Evidently, there will be no such thing as marriage in heaven. This does not mean that a husband and wife will not longer know each other in heaven. This also does not mean that a husband and wife could not still have a close relationship in heaven. What it does seem to indicate, though, is that a husband and wife will no longer be married in heaven. There is likely no purpose for marriage in heaven since there is no procreation or loneliness.

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Related Topics:

Will I be able to recognize my family members when I get to Heaven?

Are there different levels of heaven?

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

SOURCE: http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-heaven.html

 

[Hammerhead]

Don't you know that heaven is a half-pipe

 

[Accipiter22]

there is no husband and wife in heaven, it's in the Bible. Someone asked Jesus some of the same questions

 

[LordSnailz]

wow props to some of you, I thought this would turn into some flamefest but there are some good responses in here ... amazing

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Here is some good knowledge:

Question: "Will there be marriage in heaven?"

Answer: The Bible tells us, ?At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven? (Matthew 22:30). This was Jesus? answer in response to a question concerning a woman who had been married multiple times in her life ? who would she be married to in heaven (Matthew 22:23-28)? Evidently, there will be no such thing as marriage in heaven. This does not mean that a husband and wife will not longer know each other in heaven. This also does not mean that a husband and wife could not still have a close relationship in heaven. What it does seem to indicate, though, is that a husband and wife will no longer be married in heaven. There is likely no purpose for marriage in heaven since there is no procreation or loneliness.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Related Topics:

Will I be able to recognize my family members when I get to Heaven?

Are there different levels of heaven?

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

SOURCE: http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-heaven.html

No procreation? Does this mean no sex or just no baby making?

 

[asm0deus]

ok, here it is how i have heard it... the afterlife isnt heaven or hell, its the next less material stage of being.. yes it occurs in many stages, in the next few stages you are not entirely physical and not entirely spiritual, yes you will see your parents and relatives and local spiritual administrators etc and given information you had before this lifetime and how your life has affected others in this lifetime etc. as you continue to grow into this new less material reality you will have your will and destiny slowly revealed to you where you either turn back towards the material realm to help your brothers and sisters in their journey or you continue on your spiritual quest becoming less and less material and more spiritual and eternal. BTW dying in this phase of existence is much different from how we die, its more like rebooting a server. many lifetimes are involved, on different worlds (some material, some not so much others not at all) but eternity is an entirely different bag, words cannot fully describe it. according to words alone, eternity is the opposite of time, that is time is a sequential series whereas eternity is a not necessarily sequential (the seed is simlutaneously the tree etc). basically meaning the dualities we know as subject/object, now/then, them/us, here/there become blurred and the superexperience of the now is taken in. amongst eternity there is no beginning nor ending, simply the now, where all potentials exist actually in fullness and it is ever growing. but you cannot bring a being of time over to eternity in a short amount of time, it takes thousands maybe millions of years for this to occur usually. hell is not permanent (why should a crime that takes a minute to commit call for a permanent judgement?), for most people it is mostly just the time in the afterlife spent nullifying the remainders of their transgressions (obtaining forgiveness from self and others and understanding the truer motives and intentions involved fully) absolute non-existence is permanent, or that is, the choice to not exist exercised persistently leads to that individual becoming less material and less spiritual and thus less existent. though their memory lives on in others and knowledges/values acquired from their time spent living is retained irregardless. there are millions of mini-heavens, we go from place to place, learning and sharing what we can, in the end we are with our people and with our god, and the challenges are renewed, earth become heaven, heaven create more earths..

this was explained in just one book (2000 pages), i have others that have different formulas.. most involving rebirth or unity with higher power etc.. the family unit does seem to potentially have the qualities necessary to survive permanently, but that might depend on the family and it's goals.. does the tree choose its branches for do the branches choose the tree?

 

[adwilk]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
ok, here it is how i have heard it... the afterlife isnt heaven or hell, its the next less material stage of being.. yes it occurs in many stages, in the next few stages you are not entirely physical and not entirely spiritual, yes you will see your parents and relatives and local spiritual administrators etc and given information you had before this lifetime and how your life has affected others in this lifetime etc. as you continue to grow into this new less material reality you will have your will and destiny slowly revealed to you where you either turn back towards the material realm to help your brothers and sisters in their journey or you continue on your spiritual quest becoming less and less material and more spiritual and eternal. BTW dying in this phase of existence is much different from how we die, its more like rebooting a server. many lifetimes are involved, on different worlds (some material, some not so much others not at all) but eternity is an entirely different bag, words cannot fully describe it. according to words alone, eternity is the opposite of time, that is time is a sequential series whereas eternity is a not necessarily sequential (the seed is simlutaneously the tree etc). basically meaning the dualities we know as subject/object, now/then, them/us, here/there become blurred and the superexperience of the now is taken in. amongst eternity there is no beginning nor ending, simply the now, where all potentials exist actually in fullness and it is ever growing. but you cannot bring a being of time over to eternity in a short amount of time, it takes thousands maybe millions of years for this to occur usually. hell is not permanent (why should a crime that takes a minute to commit call for a permanent judgement?), for most people it is mostly just the time in the afterlife spent nullifying the remainders of their transgressions (obtaining forgiveness from self and others and understanding the truer motives and intentions involved fully) absolute non-existence is permanent, or that is, the choice to not exist exercised persistently leads to that individual becoming less material and less spiritual and thus less existent. though their memory lives on in others and knowledges/values acquired from their time spent living is retained irregardless. there are millions of mini-heavens, we go from place to place, learning and sharing what we can, in the end we are with our people and with our god, and the challenges are renewed, earth become heaven, heaven create more earths..

this was explained in just one book (2000 pages), i have others that have different formulas.. most involving rebirth or unity with higher power etc.. the family unit does seem to potentially have the qualities necessary to survive permanently, but that might depend on the family and it's goals.. does the tree choose its branches for do the branches choose the tree?

Interesting, Sure... But what source, i have a hard time finding validity in something that an individual just dreams up. This is obviously not the Christian viewpoint but still refers to God (i'm assuming Yaweh) and heaven and hell. I know that this really is what the Philosophical angle of religion is about, but there is nothing to back this up. Not everyone believes the bible to be truth, and i accept that but at least there is still a bilbe with millions of people dedicated to its teachings over time. Where did this come from?

 

[asm0deus]

Interesting, Sure... But what source, i have a hard time finding validity in something that an individual just dreams up. This is obviously not the Christian viewpoint but still refers to God (i'm assuming Yaweh) and heaven and hell. I know that this really is what the Philosophical angle of religion is about, but there is nothing to back this up. Not everyone believes the bible to be truth, and i accept that but at least there is still a bilbe with millions of people dedicated to its teachings over time. Where did this come from?

the Urantia Book

it's not for the reading averse.. its 2000+ pages written from lofty perspectives (mostly angels).. i've read it in several different orders (there is an order of reading that places relevant emphasis and one that just shovels several universes at you) it is christian based but throws a spin on it that is revolutionary. It has a very believable account of christs' life from beginning to end including his last words to the apostles after resurrection (an interesting read true or not). It does reference Jesus as the Son of God and even the Holy Spirit and Supreme Being (all very different) I don't put all of my faith into it, just enough to allow room for progressive growth.

i have studied other sources also, namely buddhism, judaism, hermeticism, ancient egyptian.. but they had so much less information that i found urantia book to be the biggest framework to take on.

of course even it states that not everything is able to be told, the ending cant be spoiled, its still being created..

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

I completely disagree.

First off, there may be a small technicality that most people (including die-hard Christians) miss. Many (most?) educated theologens believe that nobody is going to Heaven. Instead, we may all live forever on a perfected Earth, restored as it was when it was first created, before it was corrupted by evil and sin. The "renewed" Earth is written about in many places throughout the Bible, but for some reason most people have it in their heads that Heaven is their final destination.

To get some idea of what it will be like to live in this perfect place, look at the first few chapters of Genesis, specifically the parts before the fall of man. Man lived in a perfect beautiful place where everything is in harmony. Man is in perfect harmony with his environment, other creatures, God, etc. Death is not present anywhere. While Adam does spend his time talking with God, there is no mention of non-stop praise like joshsquall thinks.

Instead, you will find that before the fall of man, God tells Adam to do things like this:

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." (Genesis 2:15).

And more:

"Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

My personal belief (that many Christians reject) is that these verses give us a glimpse of the existences that God wanted for people before we sinned and screwed up everything. Further, it is my belief that this is still God's plan for us, and that some day he will restore everything back to the way it was. To me, that sounds pretty good - certainly much better than sitting around on a cloud with my harp singing songs.

Yeah... thats what i said. U just said it more elaborately.
+1 for me.

Are you trying to make baby jesus cry?

 

[adwilk]

Originally posted by: asm0deus

Interesting, Sure... But what source, i have a hard time finding validity in something that an individual just dreams up. This is obviously not the Christian viewpoint but still refers to God (i'm assuming Yaweh) and heaven and hell. I know that this really is what the Philosophical angle of religion is about, but there is nothing to back this up. Not everyone believes the bible to be truth, and i accept that but at least there is still a bilbe with millions of people dedicated to its teachings over time. Where did this come from?

the Urantia Book

it's not for the reading averse.. its 2000+ pages written from lofty perspectives (mostly angels).. i've read it in several different orders (there is an order of reading that places relevant emphasis and one that just shovels several universes at you) it is christian based but throws a spin on it that is revolutionary. It has a very believable account of christs' life from beginning to end including his last words to the apostles after resurrection (an interesting read true or not). It does reference Jesus as the Son of God and even the Holy Spirit and Supreme Being (all very different) I don't put all of my faith into it, just enough to allow room for progressive growth.

i have studied other sources also, namely buddhism, judaism, hermeticism, ancient egyptian.. but they had so much less information that i found urantia book to be the biggest framework to take on.

of course even it states that not everything is able to be told, the ending cant be spoiled, its still being created..

Well, i must say that i'm intrigued. The only problem i have with it is, either you believe the bible in its entirety and thats its complete, or you dont. I dont believe that there is any supplement or complement to it. Thats not to say that there is no other truth, but any variance of the scripture would be considered to be in error. That said, i too have studied many religions and this sounds like an excellent perspective on things i've chosen to discredit.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Here is some good knowledge:

Question: "Will there be marriage in heaven?"

Answer: The Bible tells us, ?At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven? (Matthew 22:30). This was Jesus? answer in response to a question concerning a woman who had been married multiple times in her life ? who would she be married to in heaven (Matthew 22:23-28)? Evidently, there will be no such thing as marriage in heaven. This does not mean that a husband and wife will not longer know each other in heaven. This also does not mean that a husband and wife could not still have a close relationship in heaven. What it does seem to indicate, though, is that a husband and wife will no longer be married in heaven. There is likely no purpose for marriage in heaven since there is no procreation or loneliness.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Related Topics:

Will I be able to recognize my family members when I get to Heaven?

Are there different levels of heaven?

Can people in heaven look down and see those of us who are still on the earth?

Will there be such a thing as gender in Heaven?

How do I find comfort and peace when I have lost a loved one?

SOURCE: http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-heaven.html

No procreation? Does this mean no sex or just no baby making?

Well, the reasoning goes....

No spouses => No procreation* => No physical sex*

The thing is, we have a certain understanding of procreation and physical sex, and while they may not exist in heaven in the same way they exist now, our relationships with other people will certainly be improved to the point where the pleasure of sex is replaced by the pleasure of pure emotional/spiritual/mental connections with others.

Of course, that's just my reasoning of the question, not the Bible's.