If you believe in heaven, I have a question for you

lozina

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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1. The situations you describe are not mutually exclusive.
2. What car3 said
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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heaven, are you really waiting outside the door? never thought I'd hear the words before, the road.
sever, it's the simple things that are so hard to grasp, can't find myself in all the days that passed
but I can feel it when it shines, nevermind
I am falling in love with you
can't find the road that runs through
falling in love with you.
 

FeuerFrei

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Mar 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: lozina
Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?
Earthly relationships no longer exist. You will of course know and recognize your family, but you won't be married.

 

J Heartless Slick

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Nov 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: lozina
Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?

My guess is that you will not care.
 

lozina

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: lozina
Ok let's say my idea of heaven is to be with my wife and kids forever in peace and happiness and then I die.

Now let's say my son lives on and starts his own family and has kids and now his idea of heaven is to be with his wife and kids forever...

Now who's version of heaven does it become? Certainly there is only one soul right, so my son can't be in two separate ideas of heaven at once right?


Or let's say I have a wife and at a young age I die. After years of mourning my wife finds a new man and falls in love. Now I'm still waiting in heaven for the love of my life while this new guy also loves the same woman. What happens when they pass away? In who's heaven does my wife go?



Heaven isnt an euphorical idea, its a physical disctrete place.
If you & I both visit Pittsburgh in the same place at the same time... we both experience the same buildings, streets and cars. So shall it be with heaven.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: alien42
i have a question too. are their strip clubs in heaven?

If you're a pastafarian, there's a stripper factory and a beer volcano.
 

acemcmac

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

I can not be separated from myself. I also cannot look in mirrors because it would destroy space-time as you know it.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Sep 26, 2003
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I wouldn't worry about it. Just enjoy your life. You can talk about whether there is or isn't an afterlife/heaven and what it's like all day long. But at the end of the day no one knows for sure so why worry about it?
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.


Even being a christian, im not sure this is entirely accurate.
Ive often hear heaven compared to what eden (paradise) was before the entrance of sin and the downfall of man. Which seemed to have daily life, etc.
Im not sure about sex and marriage and reproduction as it doesnt seem to fit the picture, but i definately see heaven as a return to creation as the way it was intended.
 

NuclearNed

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May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

I completely disagree.

First off, there may be a small technicality that most people (including die-hard Christians) miss. Many (most?) educated theologens believe that nobody is going to Heaven. Instead, we may all live forever on a perfected Earth, restored as it was when it was first created, before it was corrupted by evil and sin. The "renewed" Earth is written about in many places throughout the Bible, but for some reason most people have it in their heads that Heaven is their final destination.

To get some idea of what it will be like to live in this perfect place, look at the first few chapters of Genesis, specifically the parts before the fall of man. Man lived in a perfect beautiful place where everything is in harmony. Man is in perfect harmony with his environment, other creatures, God, etc. Death is not present anywhere. While Adam does spend his time talking with God, there is no mention of non-stop praise like joshsquall thinks.

Instead, you will find that before the fall of man, God tells Adam to do things like this:

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." (Genesis 2:15).

And more:

"Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

My personal belief (that many Christians reject) is that these verses give us a glimpse of the existences that God wanted for people before we sinned and screwed up everything. Further, it is my belief that this is still God's plan for us, and that some day he will restore everything back to the way it was. To me, that sounds pretty good - certainly much better than sitting around on a cloud with my harp singing songs.
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lozina
Are you suggesting you won't feel emotions like love anymore? That doesn't sound like a great place...

In the Christian view of Heaven, you will not care about anything but praising God. Hell is just eternal separation from God.

I completely disagree.

First off, there may be a small technicality that most people (including die-hard Christians) miss. Many (most?) educated theologens believe that nobody is going to Heaven. Instead, we may all live forever on a perfected Earth, restored as it was when it was first created, before it was corrupted by evil and sin. The "renewed" Earth is written about in many places throughout the Bible, but for some reason most people have it in their heads that Heaven is their final destination.

To get some idea of what it will be like to live in this perfect place, look at the first few chapters of Genesis, specifically the parts before the fall of man. Man lived in a perfect beautiful place where everything is in harmony. Man is in perfect harmony with his environment, other creatures, God, etc. Death is not present anywhere. While Adam does spend his time talking with God, there is no mention of non-stop praise like joshsquall thinks.

Instead, you will find that before the fall of man, God tells Adam to do things like this:

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." (Genesis 2:15).

And more:

"Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

My personal belief (that many Christians reject) is that these verses give us a glimpse of the existences that God wanted for people before we sinned and screwed up everything. Further, it is my belief that this is still God's plan for us, and that some day he will restore everything back to the way it was. To me, that sounds pretty good - certainly much better than sitting around on a cloud with my harp singing songs.


Yeah... thats what i said. U just said it more elaborately.
+1 for me.
 

Mermaidman

Diamond Member
Sep 4, 2003
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If 'heaven' is perfect eternal bliss, would a person become bored? Or perhaps the person (or whatever--soul?) will be changed to remain forever contented. Not that it really matters for me, as I'm headed in the other direction :evil:
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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We all know all the really fun people are gonna end up in hell anyway. All the people in heaven will make you wanna kill yourself, but you're already dead so where are you gonna go if you kill yourself, New Jersey?
 

Ilmater

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Jun 13, 2002
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If your wishes do not coincide, both of you go to hell.

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