My tone of voice? Astonishing. And you assert I did not read the thread, but you mention oil yet again? Despite my pointing out it was a good idea for starters, but useless in the meantime. And BTW, it is inevitable regardless of the reason for it, since it is a finite resource. And the education to reduce population idea is so bad, it may give them cancer. Which is the only hope it has of working. Not even the Catholics are on board with that one. And there are around a billion of them too. You are either naive, or deluded, offering up this nonsense.Your tone of voice is unnecessarily condescending by implying anyone is "struggling" with your "request" (read: rude, condescending demand.) I mean, you write "Is that the best you got?" without reading everything, and expect anyone to want to answer you rather than put you on Ignore?
Since you basically just repeated yourself in this post, I'll repeat myself, too, including the parts you apparently did not read despite claiming otherwise: step off oil ASAP + mandatory, real female education to try to reduce overpopulation in problem countries and globally (more people than there are jobs). It has to be done in a tactful and careful way though, to avoid situations like Boko Haram. It sounds expensive only until you consider the $trillions it cost after 9/11. The best jihadi is not a dead jihadi, but one who was never born to begin with.
How about YOU tell us YOUR ideas?
Bigots are gonna Bigot.
What is your point though?
That Islamophobia and racism are real in America, and a real problem, perfectly shown by the massive rise of Trump in politics
Was thinking of starting a thread just for that video, but this thread was already on that topic so I just decided to put that video right in her.
But, how is that video relevant to this thread? The point the OP was making is that its not Islamophobia if you make valid arguments for the parts of Islam that are bad. The OP did not say all Muslims were bad, but that the doctrine of Islam can lead people to problematic beliefs and actions. His point is that its not Islamophobia if you have actual valid issues you raise, unless your argument is that there is nothing wrong with Islam.
To be clear, there are problems with all of the major religions, but many seem to think that saying Islam has a terrorism problem is Islamophobic. If Muslims represent a disproportionate amount of terrorists, then how is it Islamophobic? When I usually ask that, people respond with other terrorist attacks done by non Muslims or other bad things about other religions, which is weird, because that has nothing to do with the question that I asked. I hope that if you do respond, you do not do the same as its very stupid.
That is not what I was addressing. Just found out about this book, and I think I will get it. It was written by Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz. Sam Harris is one of the 4 Horsemen of Atheism, so you can forget about him being hypocritically sympathetic to Islam at all. Also Maajid Nawaz is an ex-Islamist, and is now an intellectual, activist, journalist, and politician.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_the_Future_of_Tolerance
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Future-Tolerance-A-Dialogue/dp/0674088700
I know Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris quite well. I agree with Maajid almost completely on how to reform Islam.
But, I still have no idea why you posted your video. The OP said there are those out there who know nothing about Islam yet still hate Muslims. So...?
Would you like me to start a thread just for that video?
Seriously, why the heck would you bother posting something so bloody nonsensical.
My tone of voice? Astonishing. And you assert I did not read the thread, but you mention oil yet again? Despite my pointing out it was a good idea for starters, but useless in the meantime. And BTW, it is inevitable regardless of the reason for it, since it is a finite resource. And the education to reduce population idea is so bad, it may give them cancer. Which is the only hope it has of working. Not even the Catholics are on board with that one. And there are around a billion of them too. You are either naive, or deluded, offering up this nonsense.
Get off of oil, reduce world population, Seems legit. And how is the weather in fantasy land today? If you decide to take a break from your intense research of religion, You might want to look at teen pregnancy rates right here in the good ol' USofA, compared to other first world countries. And the likely causes for it.
Finally, you want to know what the guy that is not concerned about it, would do about it. Astounding! And you avoided my observation about the WSJ, you know, the stuff I did not read. And how you disagreed with it. Curious. But not really, as it is evident you have no answers, and seek to avoid admission of such.
I was asked a question directly, and answered it, but this seems to have died. That sucks.
I will do what I choose, deal with it.I didn't say you didn't read any of the thread. I said you didn't read all of it as is clear from your not talking about education until I reiterated it. So get off your high horse.
And you can be astounded as much as you want, but you came waltzing into this thread demanding answers as if you were the President talking to his Chief of Staff or something. You criticize others' ideas while offering none of his own. As if we don't have enough of that kind of person. If you are not concerned about this topic then just butt out.
I will do what I choose, deal with it.
I like that I am now a undesirable type of person now too. Just like those damned Muslims, eh? And you attacked me again, without a single effective refutation to my points. Very fitting for a P&N troll.
Work calls, and I, I must answer.I was asked a question directly, and answered it, but this seems to have died. That sucks.
I name thee troll, and troll be thy name. So, you come back with I am not a troll, you're a troll. Weak."Attack" you? Grow up and read what you wrote and the tone of voice you used and how utterly wrong you are. Don't even pretend like you made any points or are above it all. You wouldn't even acknowledge that you misread what I wrote.
"Just like those damned Muslims" = more misreading by you as usual. Islam is the problem, not Muslims per se.
You were the one who waltzed in here criticizing others, demanding answers. I answered your arrogant demands. You bitched about how they are unrealistic. I asked if you had any better ideas. You then acted like a total bitch and claimed you don't care about this topic and thus don't need to propose any options. If you don't care about this topic, and have no ideas of your own, why are you even here? Answer: you're a troll.
Now, thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was starting to wonder if there was anyone willing to provide one.
Succinctly encapsulate your solution to the problem of the religion of Islam.
Work calls, and I, I must answer.
Now, thank you for the thoughtful reply. I was starting to wonder if there was anyone willing to provide one.
And this is P&N, pigeon holing each other with labels is what you guys do. Then you all further insult one another by corrupting it further. Not just a liberal, a libtard. Not just a tea party member, a tea bagger. And those are not even the most offensive.
Thus, trying to make the members recognize a difference between what you consider a factual observation, and they see as fear and hate mongering? It is either an effort in futility, or trolling. Or perhaps simply naivety, to think this will somehow be different.
I wrote a long reply, then decided my thoughts are too chaotic right now. I respond best to civility, which you have displayed. So, for now I will say this. I think the idea of holding Islam's proverbial feet to the fire is too aggressive. Unless war is the goal. It is assuredly the radicals goal. They want the final holy war their book tells them about. Hell, the number of Christians polled, that think they live in the end times is disturbing. Maybe they are all precipitating events in that direction? A self fulfilling prophecy.So what do you think about what I posted? You seemed to believe that I might fall into a group that was pulling things out of their ass, so do you feel I am one of them? Do you agree/disagree with anything I have said?
As I wrote to Brad, I think that is too aggressive, unless war is the goal. But to elaborate a bit more, I do not think the radical elements will appreciate the honest dialogue. They are already railing there is a war on Islam by Western Civilization, it will fit the narrative. And that may result in otherwise moderate Muslims putting skin in the game.Step #1 would be to be brutally honest about Islam and its doctrines. Also, to dismiss with the idea that all religions are the same, and therefore equally worthy of concern, especially when faced with the reality of which religion is the prevailing motivation for the majority of attacks against civilians in the world today, as credited by the perpetrators.
I wrote a long reply, then decided my thoughts are too chaotic right now. I respond best to civility, which you have displayed. So, for now I will say this. I think the idea of holding Islam's proverbial feet to the fire is too aggressive. Unless war is the goal. It is assuredly the radicals goal. They want the final holy war their book tells them about. Hell, the number of Christians polled, that think they live in the end times is disturbing. Maybe they are all precipitating events in that direction? A self fulfilling prophecy.
I will try to organize my thoughts well enough to type them out. But it would be a monstrously long post no one would read. So better I refrain until or if, I can get them cliff noted.
I wrote a long reply, then decided my thoughts are too chaotic right now. I respond best to civility, which you have displayed. So, for now I will say this. I think the idea of holding Islam's proverbial feet to the fire is too aggressive. Unless war is the goal. It is assuredly the radicals goal. They want the final holy war their book tells them about. Hell, the number of Christians polled, that think they live in the end times is disturbing. Maybe they are all precipitating events in that direction? A self fulfilling prophecy.
I will try to organize my thoughts well enough to type them out. But it would be a monstrously long post no one would read. So better I refrain until or if, I can get them cliff noted.
Exactly this. Many times my responses are due more to the sheer ignorance of the other guy, than the actual subject material.