If you had a chance to be intern, would you do that for free?

From Abroad

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I was reading in the latest Time Magazine issue (that which has a hot mom breast-feeding her child in its cover) an article talking about the interns who works a lot without being paid for it. Wondering about it, I've been thinking if it is worth being intern, work a lot and get experience even though you ain't gonna be paid for your work, especially amid this jobless crisis.

I mean, would you do that?
 

Newbian

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Only if I am interning for a female only porn company as being a male fluffer is never a fun internship.
 

ChaoZ

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I did before for a few months then turned into a paid part-time position. I would still do it now if I can actually get accepted. I interviewed for an unpaid position while back and they didn't even bother with a reply; assholes.
 

sygyzy

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Considering how about the job market/economy is, particularly for college grads and considering that the word intern (at one time) meant working with little or not pay in exchange for experience, I think it's a little insulting (for lack of a better word) for you to post about the idea as if it's so radical or crazy.
 

From Abroad

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Considering how about the job market/economy is, particularly for college grads and considering that the word intern (at one time) meant working with little or not pay in exchange for experience, I think it's a little insulting (for lack of a better word) for you to post about the idea as if it's so radical or crazy.

But regarding this case (excerpt of the article):

Shipping thousand-dollar hats from New York City to London. Shuttling heavy bags around Manhattan. Skipping lunch. Working 55-hour weeks. And doing it all for free. "It was disgusting," says Diana Wang, 28, of her unpaid labor at Harper's Bazaar magazine. It was also potentially illegal.

Wouldn't you consider it as an abuse? Otherwise it would be acceptable, as you said.
 

Hacp

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But regarding this case (excerpt of the article):

Shipping thousand-dollar hats from New York City to London. Shuttling heavy bags around Manhattan. Skipping lunch. Working 55-hour weeks. And doing it all for free. "It was disgusting," says Diana Wang, 28, of her unpaid labor at Harper's Bazaar magazine. It was also potentially illegal.

Wouldn't you consider it as an abuse? Otherwise it would be acceptable, as you said.

Guess what? When she finishes the internship, she will have made contacts and also will have had an internship at a reputable magazine on her resume.
 

kami333

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I was under the impression that unpaid interns were the norm in magazine/tv/radio even before the recession.
 

alkemyst

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I have done internships for free and pay. All of them I would have done for free.
 

rh71

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did it when I was a junior/senior in college, but it wasn't long hours. Did one for free and no credit either. That one involved setting up a VPN for 3 offices and other things like making CAT5 cable. Helped tremendously on my resume as I was going for IT. I had plenty to talk about as "real work experience" where a lot of college graduates do not.

I don't know if this is still true but work experience counts more than grades.
 
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jagec

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"Would I want to work for a company that thinks its employees' time is worthless?"

No. Therefore, I don't do unpaid internships. I'm sure they work out OK for some people, but not me.

It's just too hard to tell the difference between being evaluated as a candidate for a full-time position, and being treated like a sucker that they can squeeze work out of and then discard.
 

pelov

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I have done internships for free and pay. All of them I would have done for free.

I don't understand this. But I guess depending on what the job is I guess it could work out. For example, some training on the job that you couldn't get elsewhere, sure, but as a paper pusher or general desk work?... idunno. I've always seen internships as slave labor. I've been offered unpaid internships and have pretty much told them to go fuck themselves. When there are paid jobs out there and they're not guaranteeing you anything other than crappy training and no permanent position, what's the point? I'd be better off volunteering my free time at a homeless shelter or spending time looking for a paid job.
 

Rage187

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First things first, what line of work? That will usually say if you are going to get paid or not.

Radio/TV where there are thousands of people competing? Not so much.

Software company or accounting? I've never seen an intern that wasn't paid. Maybe not paid well but they were paid decently.

Oh yeah, interns are worked like dogs. It weeds out the weak ones and the good ones always get full time positions.
 

lxskllr

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I don't understand this. But I guess depending on what the job is I guess it could work out. For example, some training on the job that you couldn't get elsewhere, sure, but as a paper pusher or general desk work?... idunno. I've always seen internships as slave labor. I've been offered unpaid internships and have pretty much told them to go fuck themselves. When there are paid jobs out there and they're not guaranteeing you anything other than crappy training and no permanent position, what's the point? I'd be better off volunteering my free time at a homeless shelter or spending time looking for a paid job.

You paid someone else to go to school and work there, right? Not having to pay, and getting real world experience and contacts is a better deal.
 

pelov

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You paid someone else to go to school and work there, right? Not having to pay, and getting real world experience and contacts is a better deal.

You can make contacts in other fields where they would pay you, though. Unless you're looking into a specific field where unpaid internship is the norm (like was mentioned above, TV/Radio, etc) then it's just not worth it. And I'm talking after college, not during or before schooling. After finishing my bachelor's I was offered an internship and turned it down as soon as they said "unpaid." I didn't rack up college debt and work my ass off so I can be taken advantage of again. If they want to cut costs they should consider moving to China.
 

From Abroad

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Guess what? When she finishes the internship, she will have made contacts and also will have had an internship at a reputable magazine on her resume.

Ok, I must agree that in this case the whole unpaid work probably will be considered in her career afterward, most of all because the place that she worked has a reputation.

However, I don't believe that every single unpaid intern in the USA (or even in the world) doing unpaid jobs in analogue conditions like Diana did (55 hours per week?) work at a prestigious company like her.

Anyway, according to Time report, these kind of things are going to change:

That's starting to change. In response to these lawsuits as well as to advocacy work by the Economic Policy Institute, the U.S. Department of Labor has ramped up efforts to educate unpaid interns about their rights. It has also encouraged them to speak out, as opposed to the norm of "keeping your mouth shut and being thankful for anything that comes your way," as Bickerton, who is suing PBS's The Charlie Rose Show, put it.

I believe that is a good way to modify in general:

Meanwhile, some companies are pre-emptively improving their internship programs. Magazine publisher Condé Nast, for example, used to offer unpaid internships without work-hour limits. Now it pays a stipend of $550 per internship, pairs interns with a mentor and sends them home by 7 p.m. at the latest.
 

xSauronx

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i wouldnt...but i have bills to pay.

i interned with the IT dept of a health system and got paid decent enough. did not ending up working there, however.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Nope, no way.

I'm a college student and I currently work in retail and earn both a salary and commission, not to mention I get a decent enough number of hours. Which I need, because otherwise I wouldn't have a way to pay for university and my bills and I'm not about to get into debt with a student loan.
 

DaveSimmons

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That sounds like taking advantage of people to work them as unpaid assistants rather than as real interns that you're introducing to the company and seeing whether or not they'd be a good fit.

But for some entry-level work like software development, the intern's time isn't as valuable as you think.

They can't be given long-term or important projects since they'll be gone. They take away time from experienced (and expensive) developers who must train and manage them. And whatever work they do is going to be slower and more error-prone compared to staff who are experienced with the environment.
 

YoungGun21

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In certain industries, unpaid is just about all there is.

I'd never take an unpaid internship. I'd maybe do some job shadowing or something, but like a whole summer deal without pay? No way. I have had virtually no problems getting an internship.
 

Capt Caveman

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My ex after law school worked as an unpaid intern in the Federal Bankruptcy court. She not only gained valuable experience but more importantly made great connections to where as jobs opened up, she had her pick.
 

shortylickens

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Yeah. I keep getting turned down by Micron cuz I dont have the exact experience they need. But they dont wanna hire me to get that experience.
Thats the classic Catch 22 right there: Employment.
 
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