If you had to choose between a Camry and an Accord

[halik]

Note what you didn't say you love about the Camry: driving it. What you do love about it is how it functions as a transportation appliance. You're proving my statement. It is a fantastic transportation appliance. It is a shit drive.

It's certainly possible that you don't always want a nice drive and just want to get to work with minimal stimulation, and other times do want a nice drive. So I'll update my statement: If you like to drive all the time, get the Accord; you'll love it. If there are times you don't like to drive, get the Camry; you'll love it.

Outside of the honda fanboi reality distortion field, accord, civic and camry are the very same valium on wheels when it comes to driving enjoyment. They're all appliances and are engineered to be appliances. The only difference is that some of them come in a 2 door form so you can delude yourself into thinking you have a "sporty" car.

If you like to drive all the time you don't end up with an Accord...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Note what you didn't say you love about the Camry: driving it. What you do love about it is how it functions as a transportation appliance. You're proving my statement. It is a fantastic transportation appliance. It is a shit drive.

It's certainly possible that you don't always want a nice drive and just want to get to work with minimal stimulation, and other times do want a nice drive. So I'll update my statement: If you like to drive all the time, get the Accord; you'll love it. If there are times you don't like to drive, get the Camry; you'll love it.

Your statement is still ridiculous. I certainly don't hate driving it and I don't hate driving. If it was a shit drive I wouldn't have bought it. You can trot out all the reports you've read about it but I actually own one and unless you've put 30,000 miles on one in the last 16 months then your opinion is meaningless.

Is it an M3? Of course not. It is by no means perfect or what I would consider a "driver's car" and neither is the Accord but to call it shit just proves how idiotic your comments are.

 

[JulesMaximus]

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[squarecut1]

I don't particularly like to drive, especially now that I'm in a city where the roads are so bumpy and full of potholes.

 

[Midwayman]

Outside of the honda fanboi reality distortion field, accord, civic and camry are the very same valium on wheels when it comes to driving enjoyment. They're all appliances and are engineered to be appliances. The only difference is that some of them come in a 2 door form so you can delude yourself into thinking you have a "sporty" car.

If you like to drive all the time you don't end up with an Accord...

Granted neither one is a sports car. Both are transportation appliances, but there are varying degrees of bland. It usually places poorly in enthusiast magazine comps. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...rt_toyota_camry_se_2014_mazda6_grand_touring/

 

[crashtech]

The side debate in this thread is a kind of purist vs pragmatist conflict, and I have to wonder why the purists are even here, except to cause trouble. These kinds of sedans are not for "Driving," which is apparently defined by the snot-nosed crowd as communing rather than commuting. These cars are NOT ABOUT YOU. They are mainly about your passengers, not that some of the elitists in here would be seen with anyone, nor would anyone wish to endure their company.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The side debate in this thread is a kind of purist vs pragmatist conflict, and I have to wonder why the purists are even here, except to cause trouble. These kinds of sedans are not for "Driving," which is apparently defined by the snot-nosed crowd as communing rather than commuting. These cars are NOT ABOUT YOU. They are mainly about your passengers, not that some of the elitists in here would be seen with anyone, nor would anyone wish to endure their company.

:thumbsup: Nailed it.

 

[NutBucket]

There's some people that like to have their cake and eat it too (at a reasonable price in a reliable vehicle)

 

[squarecut1]

Apparently Toyota has claimed publicly that the 2015 Camry will have better handling. I had read it a while back and did a search again just now

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Predictably, Toyota product planners and marketing types aren’t happy with their car’s bland image, and the Camry’s extensive 2015 refresh is aimed at adding a little more adrenaline to a driving experience that has hitherto appealed mostly to people who aren’t really interested in driving.

The update includes an almost total reskin and comprehensive interior upgrades. But the key to expanding the Camry’s appeal to those who prioritize eager responses and a sense of engagement—traits we lump under the fun-to-drive heading—lies in upgrading the department of dynamics.

In addition to sportier suspension tuning and revisions to the electric power steering system to improve feel, especially on-center, the chassis also benefits from selective stiffening, in particular with more spot-welds around the door-opening flanges. Toyota refrained from citing specifics regarding chassis rigidity, but a stiffer structure is almost invariably a better starting point for improving transient response and all-around response.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-toyota-camry-photos-and-info-news

 

[JulesMaximus]

Apparently Toyota has claimed publicly that the 2015 Camry will have better handling. I had read it a while back and did a search again just now

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Predictably, Toyota product planners and marketing types aren’t happy with their car’s bland image, and the Camry’s extensive 2015 refresh is aimed at adding a little more adrenaline to a driving experience that has hitherto appealed mostly to people who aren’t really interested in driving.

The update includes an almost total reskin and comprehensive interior upgrades. But the key to expanding the Camry’s appeal to those who prioritize eager responses and a sense of engagement—traits we lump under the fun-to-drive heading—lies in upgrading the department of dynamics.

In addition to sportier suspension tuning and revisions to the electric power steering system to improve feel, especially on-center, the chassis also benefits from selective stiffening, in particular with more spot-welds around the door-opening flanges. Toyota refrained from citing specifics regarding chassis rigidity, but a stiffer structure is almost invariably a better starting point for improving transient response and all-around response.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-toyota-camry-photos-and-info-news

:thumbsup: I'm definitely going to check out the new Camry when it is available. Looks very promising. I wonder what I could get for mine. It's a hybrid and they hold their value well so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't lose money on it.

I like the styling of the new model too and my first post in this thread I recommended that the OP wait until the 2015 model was available before making this decision.

 

[squarecut1]

Jules, regarding hybrids, I have never had one. Do they cost more in maintenance? Is the performance / acceleration etc just the same as a regular engine?

 

[NutBucket]

I'd say generally performance is about the same. No extra maintenance.

 

[Midwayman]

The side debate in this thread is a kind of purist vs pragmatist conflict, and I have to wonder why the purists are even here, except to cause trouble. These kinds of sedans are not for "Driving," which is apparently defined by the snot-nosed crowd as communing rather than commuting. These cars are NOT ABOUT YOU. They are mainly about your passengers, not that some of the elitists in here would be seen with anyone, nor would anyone wish to endure their company.

Well you know on the internet everyone drives a RWD manual transmission car that will run the quarter mile in the 13's minimum. Anything less and you're not car guy. FWIW I don't think anyone is saying anything is wrong with a camry. Its a great transportation appliance. If I were a transportation appliance sort of guy it would be my top choice.

 

[crashtech]

If I were a transportation appliance sort of guy it would be my top choice.

Still missing the point, I think, unless you can only afford one car. I own a vehicle that I take out mostly by myself when I want to Drive, but for taking the family to town on Sunday, the Accord is the far better choice. Wanting the right tool for the job does not mean one is not a 'car guy.'

 

[JulesMaximus]

Jules, regarding hybrids, I have never had one. Do they cost more in maintenance? Is the performance / acceleration etc just the same as a regular engine?

Actually, the hybrid Camry is faster than the ICE 4-cylinder Camry. I will be brutally honest here and say that I generally dislike CVTs and this is the first car I've owned with a CVT and I still don't like them. They just sound like a tractor when you get on the gas. It just makes a very unusual sound and there is no shifting obviously. The engine just sounds louder and you move away faster. If you crank the stereo it's fine though. They are smooth though I'll give them that.

The steering is numb but the handling is predictable and it actually handles bumpy roads decently, better than my Maxima did anyway. Once I wear out the OEM rubber I'm going to get something that is rated higher in the handling department... I don't know if that will improve anything or not.

Maintenance is about the same as any other car. I still geek out about getting 40+ mpg in stop and go city driving. I don't miss my gas guzzler at all.

 

[gorb]

uhh 0-60 in 6.1 second, vtec hardon?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sedan-v-6-test-review

0-60 in 5.6 sec which is pretty good

gets there almost twice as quickly as my civic D:

 

[eng2d2]

camry = subzero appliance
accord = ge appliance

 

[otho11]

Accord if I had to choose but seppuku would be preferable

 

[crashtech]

Really need a kid's zone around here, or did I stumble into it by accident?

 

[jana519]

Accord all the way. Both are great cars, but I love the DIY and aftermarket scene of Hondas. Honda makes some really nice HP:displacement engines.

 

[Imported]

Accord of the two. Mazda 6 if I had the option.

 

[halik]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sedan-v-6-test-review

0-60 in 5.6 sec which is pretty good

gets there almost twice as quickly as my civic D:

Camry SE apparently is in 5.7 and quarter in 14.1. Most of 0-60 runs have to do with gearing anyway.

 

[halik]

Still missing the point, I think, unless you can only afford one car. I own a vehicle that I take out mostly by myself when I want to Drive, but for taking the family to town on Sunday, the Accord is the far better choice. Wanting the right tool for the job does not mean one is not a 'car guy.'

I think the point everyone here is trying to make that Accord and Camry's are both equally beige and interchangeable. Just buy the one you can get a better deal on used.

 

[crashtech]

I think the point everyone here is trying to make that Accord and Camry's are both equally beige and interchangeable. Just buy the one you can get a better deal on used.

:thumbsup:

Although this assessment is pretty much on paper, the actual experience does vary between the two vehicles, and having a preference for one over the other shouldn't be cause for disparagement.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

We kinda just went through this with replacing my moms 1999 I30 which finally shit a brick.

Had her drive an Accord, Camry, Prius, Jetta, Passat, Mazda 6, CLA, A3, 320i, Fusion (Fuck you Ford your dealers are complete utter shit, you basically lost the easiest sale of your lives).

She liked the Fusion the most, but 15 minutes of "what can I do to get you in this today" said by every single person at the dealer was enough for me.

Came between the Passat and Accord with me preferring the Accord but VW came down to 26k OTD on a fully loaded 1.8 TSI SEL which beat Honda by about 1.5k so that ended up winning. She actually preferred the VW to the Honda so ended up working out for the best.