If you have kids now. save 500K for college.

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What is wrong with not moving out? I don't know what generation it started it where parents want to shove their kids out the door ASAP, but I enjoy a close (big) family - personally.
 

Zaap

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If I'm gonna save up half-a-mil for my kid, it'd be for him to do something cost-effective with, like startup money for a business. Or for his own house to live in while he gets a real education working at a trade or learning one as an apprentice.

Tossing 500k down the higher-education 'hooked on debt' rathole wouldn't be anywhere near the most cost-effective use for that money.
 

Jeff7

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It's sad the cost of tutition. Every single year colleges raise their tuitions for no real reason other than that they can.

I'm already not excited to pay my gfs med school loans when they come due. Couldn't imagine what they will be in 20 years. Thankfully she's already said I can quit me job and stay at home . Though ill keep working and pay the loans off and house off before I quit for good
But they need to be able to afford expensive short-lived decorative bulbs in the mood lighting in the lounge (formerly a computer lab, intended for working on projects), and large-screen monitors, and designer furniture, and a giant video stock ticker. (At a state university, no less. The very same college has occasional mini-campaigns to warn about the dangers of misusing credit cards and carrying excessive debt, but which also permits Visa to have an elaborate sign-up display in the campus bookstore.)



I agree, nothing says smart people like self imposed Darwin awards. That's ok though, us brown people are breeding you all out.
India shows a possible result of winning the rapid-breeding contest. I rather like being able to look out my window and not see people everywhere.

An economy and society built on a foundation of a continuously-increasing population has failure built right in.



Guess I'll be moving to Canada in 15 years.
If they're smart, they'll start to close off their southern border....we've already done it, so why not?
 
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child of wonder

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Young people, especially those not really cut out for college, really need to start looking (again) at the skilled trades. There is going to be a generational gap soon for those jobs as older people retire and there is so few in the younger generations to fill those spots. Hell, it's hard to get good ones now much less a few years from now.

Totally agree. A person can make damn good money as an experienced electrician, plumber, HVAC specialist, etc.

The value of 2 year degrees is also not to be overlooked. With the right foresight, ambition, and opportunity people can make a great living with only an Associate's.
 

thegimp03

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I'm not surprised. Tuition for private schools has gone through the roof, not to mention the "budget" reports that get sent out to the parents on a yearly basis stating that all that tuition doesn't cover all the school's costs so they ask for donations on top of the $55k per year for tuition, room, and board.
 

Engineer

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Totally agree. A person can make damn good money as an experienced electrician, plumber, HVAC specialist, etc.

The value of 2 year degrees is also not to be overlooked. With the right foresight, ambition, and opportunity people can make a great living with only an Associate's.

Don't forget welders, die makers, machine builders, machinists, panel builders (electricians), machinery programming technician, etc. I can assure you that there is a big gap coming....faster than most think. Many young people don't think that kind of work is "sexy enough".
 

OVerLoRDI

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Don't forget welders, die makers, machine builders, machinists, panel builders (electricians), machinery programming technician, etc. I can assure you that there is a big gap coming....faster than most think. Many young people don't think that kind of work is "sexy enough".

It isn't so much the "sex appeal" of those jobs, part of it is there is no really effective way of obtaining that training. Growing up I had no exposure or opportunity to explore those fields as a career path and I'm guessing my experience was probably not unique.
 

Engineer

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It isn't so much the "sex appeal" of those jobs, part of it is there is no really effective way of obtaining that training. Growing up I had no exposure or opportunity to explore those fields as a career path and I'm guessing my experience was probably not unique.

To an extent, I agree with you. It has only gotten worse as factories have shifted out of the US. Not only are many of those services used for factories, but many of the skilled trades were taught (or started) at the factory maintenance (or even operator) levels. Entire toolrooms have started on the factory floor.....not sure that you will see that again in the US.
 

StrangerGuy

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Don't forget welders, die makers, machine builders, machinists, panel builders (electricians), machinery programming technician, etc. I can assure you that there is a big gap coming....faster than most think. Many young people don't think that kind of work is "sexy enough".

University grads only like jobs that requires them sitting in a cushy chair and desk in an air-conditioned room, even when said "manual" work isn't exactly physically demanding to boot. It's the same everywhere not just in U.S.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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You mean like $200 oil in 2007 and houses that always go up in price. Nothing rises forever. College tuition absolutely positively cannot keep its 400% over inflation price increases for that long.

The issue is what will break when the bubble pops and what will be the consequences, both direct and indirect.
 

DucatiMonster696

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University grads only like jobs that requires them sitting in a cushy chair and desk in an air-conditioned room, even when said "manual" work isn't exactly physically demanding to boot. It's the same everywhere not just in U.S.

That's because those jobs tend to be easier to do when you are old and your back starts acting up or a knee needs to be replaced, etc. Don't get me wrong there is nothing bad about these trade jobs per say, after all a well paying job, is a well paying job to someone who needs to earn a living but the ability of being able to continue working at a later age becomes harder and harder the more physical the job.
 
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Slew Foot

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If college costs 500k, then no one will go to college. And then theyll lower their prices because no one is going.
 

irishScott

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I saw this on the magazine stand the other day. Was tempted to pick it up. I am in a position where my friends are finally having children by it looks like my chances are it simply wont happen. And honestly, I dont have that drive to have children either. And the difference in lifestyle may be a factor. They are scrambling to pay bills, find baby sitters just to see a movie together, or make it near impossible to go on trips. Anyways my eyes were also opened when going to a focus group last week about finances. And how people with children cant save anything while the few of us in my age group without kids live very comfortable lives and can sock away a lot of money for retirement.

Depends on the parents. My dad was our family's sole breadwinner, and by the time my older sister was born he was making ~70k, now he's in the 90s. We lived quite comfortably, never wanted for anything significant, and TMK he's got quite a bit saved up. Of course, we did live rather frugally compared to some.

I don't have kids (although I certainly plan to), but the way I see it it's a matter of planing and organization. Most of my peers growing up came from dual-salary homes with each parent making ~45k+/year and... well let's just say I'd hardly call their homes "uncomfortable". They aren't living in mansions by any stretch, but they're within shouting distance.

Not to mention it depends on how many kids you have.


I have nothing against people who don't want kids, but I've never understood the nightmarish impression a lot of people have. Sure it's not all sunshine and bunnies and it's years of sleepless nights, stress and all that; but it's not like the negative bits are without purpose or reward.
 

stlc8tr

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Don't private schools like Stanford already cost something like $50K/year tuition? Add a bit for room/board and you're easily at $65K+/year. For that to grow into $125K/year in 18 years doesn't seem that outrageous. That's less than 4% inflation, right?
 

Exterous

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so maybe I should adopt from some third world country like Detroit... :hmm:

I would just like to put my application out there. For just the price of a monthly allowance you will receive:
-A phone call once a quarter
-A card on Christmas and your birthday
-An address to send my inheritance to in the event of your death
-A monthly tuition bill
-Someone to call you 'Dad' and 'Father' (likely outsourced to China or India)
And most importantly:
-The satisfaction of being the father of a successful, intelligent and likable child without all the hassles of diaper changes, late night feedings, crying, trying to find babysitters etc etc

I find this unlikely. This number clearly assumes that the current unsustainable rate of tuition inflation will continue, and that's just not going to happen for the simple reason that no one will be able to afford it.

Agreed - just like all the other assumptions that costs\prices will keep rising (stock market, house prices, oil....) this one won't happen either. It can't be sustained.

Furthermore the additional collection powers of the feds make a precipitous loss of value for the loans extremely unlikely.

Yes, you won't see the government miss out on its money. What you will see is people delaying home and car purchases, living with parents longer and, most damaging, delaying saving for retirement.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Actually that is already happening. There is a Baby Bust going on with the new generation.

That's correct. I read an article a few weeks ago saying that America's fertility rate is close to falling under the replacement rate. I also read that immigrants who come to this country who come from a traditionally Catholic background and therefore have many kids (such as Hispanics) are also dropping to the same fertility rate as the rest of America within a generation of arriving here. Pretty soon we may become like Italy and have to pay people to have kids.

Regarding the OP -- no need to spend $500K on a private school. Go to a state school -- it may still be $250K but that's still half the price. From a big picture viewpoint, these rates of tuition growth just aren't sustainable and I'd would imagine that if they continue on this path, online options will become far more attractive or Congress will intervene. Spending several hundred thousand on a BA/BS degree and going into debt that will take decades to get out of just isn't worth it.
 
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Exterous

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Don't forget welders, die makers, machine builders, machinists, panel builders (electricians), machinery programming technician, etc. I can assure you that there is a big gap coming....faster than most think. Many young people don't think that kind of work is "sexy enough".

While there are many good options and some notable labor shortages in skilled areas the job market for non-college grads is still down ~5 million jobs since 2008 while the college educated job market is up 2 million. A 7 million job swing is nothing to sneeze at especially given the anemic rate we are creating new jobs. Sure some can get a good job in a skilled trade but the numbers aren't there to support a majority of current college grads. I don't think its enough to even accommodate more than a small chunk of them

IMO this is what will happen - the shortage will keep growing until we have a lot of coverage about how getting a skilled labor job is the best thing to do. Then we'll get a flood of people trying to do that until the labor market is over saturated (and ends up with a lot of idiots in that job pool) and the employment rates will fall off a cliff. Similar things happened to MBAs, to some extent IT, happening to lawyers now and likely nurses coming up.

Don't private schools like Stanford already cost something like $50K/year tuition? Add a bit for room/board and you're easily at $65K+/year. For that to grow into $125K/year in 18 years doesn't seem that outrageous. That's less than 4% inflation, right?

I looked at a couple about 6 months ago out of curiosity and they tend to be in the $50-60k range for tuition room and board
 

LostPassword

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just go to a state school close to home. drive there.
if your parents are super broke, go to a junior college for 2 years, then transfer. most 2-year colleges have programs with the local state universities for easy transfer.

if you're super super broke, then join the military for 4 years and get that GI Bill.
 

Throckmorton

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there's a definite downside to it, though.

my understanding is that population is only growing in the US thanks to immigration. in heavily graying countries where birth rates are declining and they don't have the same levels of immigration (Japan is probably the poster child for the issue), there seems to be issues huge medical expenses and an unsupportable social security structure.

so maybe I should adopt from some third world country like Detroit... :hmm:

Your kids don't pay for your social security. You don't have to adopt anybody
 

werepossum

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It isn't so much the "sex appeal" of those jobs, part of it is there is no really effective way of obtaining that training. Growing up I had no exposure or opportunity to explore those fields as a career path and I'm guessing my experience was probably not unique.
In many areas trade unions maintain generally excellent apprenticeship programs where one works during the day and attends classes at night, thereby getting the benefits of both OTJ and classical classroom instruction. You do agree to pay union dues, but that's a hell of a lot cheaper than student loans.

If college costs 500k, then no one will go to college. And then theyll lower their prices because no one is going.
Kind of a Catch 22 situation as you'll need a good job to pay for the education of those who do go for that $500,000 college education.

I would just like to put my application out there. For just the price of a monthly allowance you will receive:
-A phone call once a quarter
-A card on Christmas and your birthday
-An address to send my inheritance to in the event of your death
-A monthly tuition bill
-Someone to call you 'Dad' and 'Father' (likely outsourced to China or India)
And most importantly:
-The satisfaction of being the father of a successful, intelligent and likable child without all the hassles of diaper changes, late night feedings, crying, trying to find babysitters etc etc

Agreed - just like all the other assumptions that costs\prices will keep rising (stock market, house prices, oil....) this one won't happen either. It can't be sustained.

Yes, you won't see the government miss out on its money. What you will see is people delaying home and car purchases, living with parents longer and, most damaging, delaying saving for retirement.
LOL at paragraph 1. Lucrative new field?

Spot on with the other two.
 

dank69

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a pyramid scheme requires that the base of the pyramid keeps growing?
Technically not a pyramid scheme. It does not require the base to get bigger. if the base gets smaller, however, adjustments need to be made.
 

mikegg

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Unless we have hyperinflation, if tuition is 500k 20 years from now, no one will go.

Why? Because you can basically learn everything on the internet nowadays. Imagine what you could learn 20 years from now. Hell, I'd argue kids don't need to go to college to get a job now. They can learn everything taking courses and reading online. Minus a few majors, college now is just a baby sitting service to make students study.
 
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