If you can have a comfortable life flipping burgers, what is the motivation to go to school and learn real skills?
This country provides all the necessities for living for the lowest. EVERYTHING - food, water, clothing, utilities, cars/transportation, electricity, education, career training, housing, health and dental care, EVERYTHING.
Do explain what you mean by "can't provide for the lowest".
No, working 8hr a day and still not being able to provide for yourself just means you need to work more or another job. People don't get to be successful by working only 8 hrs a day. Min wage jobs are not meant to live on, they are a stepping stone only.
Anybody physically able can succeed in America. If they don't it is out of pure laziness. Go learn a skill, apply that skilled labor, profit handsomely.
Wow you are a sadist if you advocate for that.
No, there is limited resources, although being able to provide basic shelter, basic food, basic water, and basic means of opportunity to move up is in enough excess that it can and should be provided to everyone. Everything else is dog eat dog world man. Want to eat fillet mignon? Learn how to do something better than flip burgers.
I just read an article about a guy that earned his graduated degree by sleeping in a van and keeping a gym membersip for water and bathing. It helped him to graduate earlier.
http://www.metro.us/newyork/lifesty...2/grad-school-in-a-van-not-down-by-the-river/
I have also heard of people who live in walmart parking lots in vans or trucks with campers.
There is living and there is living high off the hog.
This thread is hilarious. There are not enough jobs for people who want them but the broken records keep playing. If you want steak get a job. You brain dead assholes:
THERE AREN'T ENOUGH JOBS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT THEM
As they say, incentivize something and you will get more of it.
Our society has incentivized producing children out of wedlock, even if only by eliminating the negative consequences (in large part) doing so used to have attached to it. And we have plenty of studies connecting out of wedlock births with all manner of dysfunction being increased.
Contrary to popular opinion of the free market, it is impossible for everyone to become a skilled worker. Unskilled labor is equally important as is skilled labor. there is a demand for unskilled labor, and except for the unfortunate regulation imposed excess labor (designated as the desired 9% unemployment) we could have 100% employment and rising wages for everyone.
the best times of the history of the American economy were the roaring 20's where labor was in demand, wages were rising, consumer spending was at an all time high. Trickle up economics I call it... the only thing NO ONE is willing to consider today, because everyone is so concerned about only their bottom line they can't see the forest from the 2 trees in front of their faces.
It worse than that. Even if you ignore the dysfunction resulting from out-of-wedlock births it is still a horrible idea. The living wage for a single mom with 2 kids is actually around 30% higher than that for a married couple with 2 kids.
There is a HUGE shortage of skilled labor right now. However it requires people to actually work with their hands and learn something on how to do it. Those lowly "manual labor" jobs that if you put 10 years mastering it can make you VERY rich.
If I could start all over again, I'd probably be a plumber or skilled carpenter.
Right but why are people trying to make the single mothers situation the responsibility of whatever her place of employment?
I just read an article about a guy that earned his graduated degree by sleeping in a van and keeping a gym membersip for water and bathing. It helped him to graduate earlier.
http://www.metro.us/newyork/lifesty...2/grad-school-in-a-van-not-down-by-the-river/
I have also heard of people who live in walmart parking lots in vans or trucks with campers.
There is living and there is living high off the hog.
...and if you read the guy's full story, the university passed bylaws to make sleeping in your car like that illegal.
So no, you can't do that anymore.
The "HUGH" shortage of skilled labor is self induced.
There are skilled workers available but they are being turned away in droves, and I have seen it personally.
I look at my newspaper daily to look for jobs. The wanted ad column has 20-30 ads looking for Commercial Vehicle Drivers. The only skill it takes to fulfill this job is to have a CDL (aka Commercial Drivers License) ...
I know 3 people who paid to go to a 6 week State DMV course to be trained and licensed to drive Class A Commercial vehicles. they have called every ad In the paper, these companies are so Desperate for drivers that 0 of them would interview them because they don't have at least 1-2 years driving experience.
so I ask you... how is someone supposed to get any experience at all if they have to have 1-2 years experience to get the job?
Driving a CDL is not like driving a car, you cant just go drive one for your daily travel.
I dont have time to explain everything I learned in Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced micro & macroeconomics. It took me years to absorb all that shit not to mention a buttload of tuition.
Basic fundamental: nothing is free. Everything of value has some sort of exchange. You exchange your time and effort for a paycheck. You exchange the money for food, shelter, clothing, and whatever optional items you think you need to survive.
Incidentally, thats what the 2 nobel prize winning economists at GMU are teaching. I studied under those guys and their star students who are now professors as well.
They consult with the white house all the time. No one listens to them, because their ideas are not good for getting reelected. But they consult all the time so Obama and his staff can say they are doing their best with the situation.
Bullshit.
Businesses are having a difficult time just finding people who will show up to work vs. sit on their ass collecting unemployment.
Good post Spidey.Those 3 people are not "skilled labor". They just have a license to become skilled.
Tell your buddies to go back, in person, to the company wanting drivers. Tell them they would gladly be a helper at minimum wage to get their foot in the door. From there they will become skilled and gain experience. That's why low wage jobs are a stepping stone, if one can't step from there - well, then you get what you put in.
This is the problem. People EXPECT to just be handed a job and not WORK for that job.
The greatest life lesson I ever learned came when I was moving furniture in the summer after my first year of college. I asked the owner "I'd like a raise please, what would it take to get one?"
He answered and mentored "make yourself more valuable than what you are paid, then you get raises and move up"
And I did. Swept floors without being asked, volunteered for all overtime, WORKED, started leading others when all they wanted to do was show up and expect to get paid just for being there.
By the end of that summer I was making 9 bucks an hour, in 1990. I came back the next year and was making 12 bucks an hour and working 60 hours a week. In 1991.
A job is not handed to you, you have to work to get the job. And once you do get that job you have to work even harder to make more money. If one doesn't understand this basic fact of life then you fail already.
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Also learned how to drive a fork truck at that job, eventually got my license for one and would help out on that front when needed. That is how you gain experience. I wasn't a fork truck driver, but I could if it was needed.
The small city of Sea-Tac, WA voted in a min. wage of $15 dollars. A recent court ruling said this does not apply to workers at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport as they, or their contractors, are employed by the Port of Seattle which owns the airport. However, this new min wage could affect some 1500-2000 workers surrounding the airport and other areas in the city of Sea-Tac.
Every heard of little 'ole Sea-Tac, WA? And no, not the airport, the city.
Anyone wanting a national level $15.00 minimum wage should pay attention to how this plays out, both the good and the bad. This could be a microcosm and provide rallying cries and soundbites for both sides of the issue.
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On a national level, suddenly leveling the min wage to $15.00 would be disastrous for the economy one would assume. Any serious legislation that would enact this would gradually work towards that $15.00 p/h I imagine.
I'll take a controversial stance for the sake of discussion: I'll say that if you put in a solid 40 hours of honest work a week, you should be able to put food on your own table and a pay for a roof over your own head - no matter what your job title is. That would be the rule even for the least-paid but most-popular jobs such as retail salesperson, cashier, waiter or janitor.
I think that there should be no such thing as the "working poor." If you are willing to work, then you should receive enough salary to live without 24/7 financial stress.
Those 3 people are not "skilled labor". They just have a license to become skilled.
Tell your buddies to go back, in person, to the company wanting drivers. Tell them they would gladly be a helper at minimum wage to get their foot in the door. From there they will become skilled and gain experience. That's why low wage jobs are a stepping stone, if one can't step from there - well, then you get what you put in.
This is the problem. People EXPECT to just be handed a job and not WORK for that job.
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Also learned how to drive a fork truck at that job, eventually got my license for one and would help out on that front when needed. That is how you gain experience. I wasn't a fork truck driver, but I could if it was needed.
Excuse Me?
having a Commercial Drivers License certainly makes you a skilled labor.
Its a certification, with education, certification, and 6 weeks of experience out the door. It is the same as completing any apprenticeship under any other skilled labor.
Let me ask you... did your plumber go work for roto rooter to be an office bitch for a year prior to working as a plumber? No.
CDL drivers are THE MOST in demand workers of any type of employment today. There is a national shortage of them. The STARTING SALARY for a CDL driver is 40-50K per year... This is the very definition of skilled labor.
Then you have a pool of available labor who are certified to perform that work... and your response is to go apply for a minimum wage job? When there are current driver vacancies they are more than qualified for?
AWW shit Spidey, maybe we should make out doctors work a year as the front office clerical bitch for minimum wage before they can start practicing medicine too... your fucking looney.
Those 3 people are not "skilled labor". They just have a license to become skilled.
Tell your buddies to go back, in person, to the company wanting drivers. Tell them they would gladly be a helper at minimum wage to get their foot in the door. From there they will become skilled and gain experience. That's why low wage jobs are a stepping stone, if one can't step from there - well, then you get what you put in.
This is the problem. People EXPECT to just be handed a job and not WORK for that job.
The greatest life lesson I ever learned came when I was moving furniture in the summer after my first year of college. I asked the owner "I'd like a raise please, what would it take to get one?"
He answered and mentored "make yourself more valuable than what you are paid, then you get raises and move up"
And I did. Swept floors without being asked, volunteered for all overtime, WORKED, started leading others when all they wanted to do was show up and expect to get paid just for being there.
By the end of that summer I was making 9 bucks an hour, in 1990. I came back the next year and was making 12 bucks an hour and working 60 hours a week. In 1991.
A job is not handed to you, you have to work to get the job. And once you do get that job you have to work even harder to make more money. If one doesn't understand this basic fact of life then you fail already.
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Also learned how to drive a fork truck at that job, eventually got my license for one and would help out on that front when needed. That is how you gain experience. I wasn't a fork truck driver, but I could if it was needed.