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Fritzo

Lifer
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She cracked under pressure. Unfortunate but reality is she didn't have what it takes mentally.
The girl was raped by her trainer, it became national news in the last year, and the entire world is focused on her not screwing up. If anyone deserves to crack under pressure, it's her.
 
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pmv

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The girl was raped by her trainer, it became national news in the last year, and the entire world is focused on her not screwing up. If anyone deserves to crack under pressure, it's her.

I didn't know anything at all about her, beyond seeing headlines saying she'd quit over 'mental health concerns'. After that tennis player a little while ago used the same 'mental health' line to justify refusing to do press conferences, I did find myself rolling my eyes as to how 'mental health' has become the all-purpose go-to term for anything anyone just doesn't feel like doing for whatever reason.

But that information gives it a lot more context.
 

BudAshes

Lifer
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She quit on her team. You can sugarcoat it all you want but that's how I read the story.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/sim...om-team-gymnastics-as-russians-defeat-us.html

"Biles later told NBC’s “TODAY” she is “in shape” and feels “good” physically. She said she felt increased pressure as one of the most well-known athletes at the games."

I would have more respect for her if she tried and failed. She essentially gave up on her team and teammates. You can make excuses for her. I'm sure she appreciates it.

Considering the Russians just blatantly cheat at everything I wouldn't go against them. They should have been banned permanently and they should have to play against themselves to an empty crowd.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html

They murdered the people that exposed the scandal except for one guy that went into witness protection in the US.
 
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quikah

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I would have more respect for her if she tried and failed. She essentially gave up on her team and teammates. You can make excuses for her. I'm sure she appreciates it.

She did try. She bombed on her vault, it put the team in second place in the standings. Did you want her to keep going and completely take the team out of medal range?
 
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ponyo

Lifer
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Considering the Russian's just blatantly cheat at everything I wouldn't go against them. They should have been banned permanently and they should have to play against themselves to an empty crowd.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi-olympics-2014.html

They murdered the people that exposed the scandal except for one guy that went into witness protection in the US.
I'm very aware of the cheating Russians. They stole the gold medal away from Yuna Kim at the Sochi Winter Olympics. People think Simone Biles is the first and only athlete who's ever been under extreme pressure? Yuna Kim carried the hopes and dreams of her entire nation as she went for repeat gold in figure skating at the Sochi Winter games. And she was the final skater of the night in extremely hostile pro-Russian stadium desperately wanting their Russian skater, Adelina Sotnikova to win with Putin in attendance. Yet, Yuna Kim went out to that hostile crowd and skated lights out. She gave it all and left nothing on the table. That's what being a champion is all about. Yuna didn't win the gold that night because the scoring was fixed but she became a legend because of her performance. It's not always about winning the gold. It's about giving your all and leaving nothing to regret. Yuna Kim did that. Simone Biles did not. I have a feeling Simone is going to look back years later and regret her action and quitting on her teammates.
 

quikah

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I'm very aware of the cheating Russians. They stole the gold medal away from Yuna Kim at the Sochi Winter Olympics. People think Simone Biles is the first and only athlete who's ever been under extreme pressure? Yuna Kim carried the hopes and dreams of her entire nation as she went for repeat gold in figure skating at the Sochi Winter games. And she was the final skater of the night in extremely hostile pro-Russian stadium desperately wanting their Russian skater, Adelina Sotnikova to win with Putin in attendance. Yet, Yuna Kim went out to that hostile crowd and skated lights out. She gave it all and left nothing on the table. That's what being a champion is all about. Yuna didn't win the gold that night because the scoring was fixed but she became a legend because of her performance. It's not always about winning the gold. It's about giving your all and leaving nothing to regret. Yuna Kim did that. Simone Biles did not. I have a feeling Simone is going to look back years later and regret her action and quitting on her teammates.

That is a bad example. Individual competitor is only responsible for their own performance. Team competition is responsible for the whole team. Poor performance by one person brings down the whole team. Had this happened at the individual competition I can understand your point. Simone realized she was having a bad day and made a good decision to step down to let the other team members take up the slack. It happens in all team sports.
 

nOOky

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I see it similarly to a great baseball pitcher losing confidence. It's probably a mental thing, something very hard to overcome. It can take time to regain confidence in one's abilities. Perhaps she did do the best thing for her team, rather than drag them down as she knew she was off her game. She doesn't have to prove herself to anyone here, she has proven herself before under the pressure many times over. It happens, happens to all of us in one form or another. I suppose it's easy for us to sit here and criticize from our office chairs.
 

pete6032

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Getting 1st place in anything is pressure - whether you have 200 people watching or 200,000 does it really make that much of a difference at that point? The social pressure isn't the hard part, it's practicing the equivalent of all-day every-day to beat out the other individuals that are doing the same thing - except slightly more than you


Anyhow, newer generations seem to be too fragile since this is something that has exploded more recently. Same thing happened with Naomi Osaka on the tennis side.
Oh man, you are sooo right my dude. The pressure I felt from my middle school piano recital is probably similar to what an Olympic athlete like Simone Biles feels.
 
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MrSquished

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I'm very aware of the cheating Russians. They stole the gold medal away from Yuna Kim at the Sochi Winter Olympics. People think Simone Biles is the first and only athlete who's ever been under extreme pressure? Yuna Kim carried the hopes and dreams of her entire nation as she went for repeat gold in figure skating at the Sochi Winter games. And she was the final skater of the night in extremely hostile pro-Russian stadium desperately wanting their Russian skater, Adelina Sotnikova to win with Putin in attendance. Yet, Yuna Kim went out to that hostile crowd and skated lights out. She gave it all and left nothing on the table. That's what being a champion is all about. Yuna didn't win the gold that night because the scoring was fixed but she became a legend because of her performance. It's not always about winning the gold. It's about giving your all and leaving nothing to regret. Yuna Kim did that. Simone Biles did not. I have a feeling Simone is going to look back years later and regret her action and quitting on her teammates.

yes, Simone Biles just doesn't know how to give it her all, in a sport where female gymasts just don't last long and at 24, she is kind of an older female gymast.

"At the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Biles won individual gold medals in all-around, vault and floor; bronze in balance beam; and gold as part of the United States team, dubbed the "Final Five".[13] Biles is also a five-time World all-around champion (2013–2015, 2018–2019), five-time World floor exercise champion (2013–2015, 2018–2019), three-time World balance beam champion (2014–2015, 2019), two-time World vault champion (2018–2019), a seven-time United States national all-around champion (2013–2016, 2018–2019, 2021), and a member of the gold medal-winning American teams at the 2014, 2015, 2018, and 2019 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships. Additionally, she is a three-time World silver medalist (2013 and 2014 on vault, 2018 on uneven bars) and a three-time World bronze medalist (2015 on vault, 2013 and 2018 on balance beam).

Biles is the gymnast with the most World medals (25) and most World gold medals (19), having surpassed Vitaly Scherbo's record 23 World medals by winning her 24th and 25th, both gold, at the 2019 competition in Stuttgart.[14] She is the female gymnast with the most World all-around titles (5). Biles is the sixth woman to win an individual all-around title at both the World Championships and the Olympics, and the first gymnast since Lilia Podkopayeva in 1996 to hold both titles simultaneously. She is the tenth female gymnast and first American female gymnast to win a World medal on every event, and the first female gymnast since Daniela Silivaș in 1988 to win a medal on every event at a single Olympic Games or World Championships, having accomplished this feat at the 2018 World Championships in Doha.[15]"

And she has multiple gymnastic movements named after her because nobody else can pop that shit off in competitions, let alone even try them in practice.

Seriously, you middle aged men keyboard warriors are a hoot.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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The girl was raped by her trainer, it became national news in the last year, and the entire world is focused on her not screwing up. If anyone deserves to crack under pressure, it's her.

I'll ask the obvious question: so what if she screws up? She has already made it to the top of her sport, has earned millions, and is one of the best gymnasts in history. She has proven herself repeatedly and has nothing left to prove. If she misses a step on a routine, is anyone going to die? Is she going to be executed? Are her family members going to be sent away to some camp until she wins Gold in her next event and Dear Leader can release her family? She is a person like we all are and makes mistakes.

These athletes need some perspective. They're not saving lives, curing cancer, or sending men to the moon. They're playing a sport whose sole value is entertainment for those who watch it. I don't know much about her being raped, but perhaps she should've taken time away from the sport to heal.
 

pmv

Lifer
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These athletes need some perspective. They're not saving lives, curing cancer, or sending men to the moon. They're playing a sport whose sole value is entertainment for those who watch it. I don't know much about her being raped, but perhaps she should've taken time away from the sport to heal.

But they are part of a huge, multi-million-dollar, machine that is in large part about destroying any sense of perspective. Losing all sense of perspective is what something like the Olympics is all about. You can't just blame the individual athletes for that. The very act of holding this particular Olympics with the accompanying risk of causing the deaths of large numbers of people suggests the loss of perspective goes all the way to the top.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
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yes, Simone Biles just doesn't know how to give it her all, in a sport where female gymasts just don't last long and at 24, she is kind of an older female gymast.

"At the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Biles won individual gold medals in all-around, vault and floor; bronze in balance beam; and gold as part of the United States team, dubbed the "Final Five".[13] Biles is also a five-time World all-around champion (2013–2015, 2018–2019), five-time World floor exercise champion (2013–2015, 2018–2019), three-time World balance beam champion (2014–2015, 2019), two-time World vault champion (2018–2019), a seven-time United States national all-around champion (2013–2016, 2018–2019, 2021), and a member of the gold medal-winning American teams at the 2014, 2015, 2018, and 2019 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships. Additionally, she is a three-time World silver medalist (2013 and 2014 on vault, 2018 on uneven bars) and a three-time World bronze medalist (2015 on vault, 2013 and 2018 on balance beam).

Biles is the gymnast with the most World medals (25) and most World gold medals (19), having surpassed Vitaly Scherbo's record 23 World medals by winning her 24th and 25th, both gold, at the 2019 competition in Stuttgart.[14] She is the female gymnast with the most World all-around titles (5). Biles is the sixth woman to win an individual all-around title at both the World Championships and the Olympics, and the first gymnast since Lilia Podkopayeva in 1996 to hold both titles simultaneously. She is the tenth female gymnast and first American female gymnast to win a World medal on every event, and the first female gymnast since Daniela Silivaș in 1988 to win a medal on every event at a single Olympic Games or World Championships, having accomplished this feat at the 2018 World Championships in Doha.[15]"

And she has multiple gymnastic movements named after her because nobody else can pop that shit off in competitions, let alone even try them in practice.

Seriously, you middle aged men keyboard warriors are a hoot.
yawn. That's great. But do you know what she's going to be remembered for in the future? Yes, people will say she won multiple gold. But she's also going to be remembered for quitting on her team when they counted on her to help them win. And that's sad way to go. This event going to haunt her for rest of her life. She had a chance to be a legend. But she blew it. Now, she's going to be just another former Olympic gold medalist who crumbled under pressure and quitted on her team. That quitting part is worse than plain failure.
 

IndyColtsFan

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But they are part of a huge, multi-million-dollar, machine that is in large part about destroying any sense of perspective. Losing all sense of perspective is what something like the Olympics is all about. You can't just blame the individual athletes for that. The very act of holding this particular Olympics with the accompanying risk of causing the deaths of large numbers of people suggests the loss of perspective goes all the way to the top.

I'm not specifically limiting my comments to the Olympics, but to sports as a whole. And I can blame individuals as well - Charles Barkley is one who seems to get it and has said multiple times sports aren't a real job and they should feel super lucky:

We got great lives. Why would we be miserable? Like, I'll tell you, there's five real jobs in the world: teacher, fireman, policeman, doctor, and somebody who's in the armed services. Those are five real jobs. I dribbled a basketball my entire life, and now I get paid to watch LeBron James and Kevin Durant play. You get paid to come in here and talk sports. You get to watch sports and come on the radio and talk about it. Man, we're winning ... We're so blessed ... You see stuff all that time that's, like, man, I'm so blessed.

Let's say Simone falls in a routine - who does that really affect? Is someone going to die? I guarantee most have made (and I certainly have) mistakes in life that affected more people than her falling in a routine. Again, perspective.
 

JEDI

Lifer
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She quit on her team. You can sugarcoat it all you want but that's how I read the story.

I would have more respect for her if she tried and failed. She essentially gave up on her team and teammates. You can make excuses for her. I'm sure she appreciates it.
eh.. dont think her competing would have helped with the scores in her current mental shape.
i think the scoring is best 3 scores out of the 4 person team.
 
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ultimatebob

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Yeah, she was propped up WAY too much.

On a side note- does anyone else feel like they're watching the Olympics because they're supposed to rather than they want to?

I'm not watching, mostly because I have no interest in swimming or gymnastics and that seems to be what NBC is focusing their coverage on.
 

manly

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I see it similarly to a great baseball pitcher losing confidence. It's probably a mental thing, something very hard to overcome. It can take time to regain confidence in one's abilities. Perhaps she did do the best thing for her team, rather than drag them down as she knew she was off her game. She doesn't have to prove herself to anyone here, she has proven herself before under the pressure many times over. It happens, happens to all of us in one form or another. I suppose it's easy for us to sit here and criticize from our office chairs.
Agreed. Also, this story isn't fully written yet. Assuming she's physically sound, will she compete in the all-around final? She's already the GOAT, and capping off her career with another all-around Gold would very much cement it. Despite what Internet assholes think about her quitting the team final.
 

JEDI

Lifer
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Agreed. Also, this story isn't fully written yet. Assuming she's physically sound, will she compete in the all-around final? She's already the GOAT, and capping off her career with another all-around Gold would very much cement it. Despite what Internet assholes think about her quitting the team final.
when is the individual and all-around finals be aired on NBC?
(NBC just list Olympics for hours and no breakdown of which event and what exact times.)

also, with her dropping out of team competition, why couldnt one of the other 2 teammates who didnt qualify for the Team competition step in?
(6 person USA team, only 4 compete in the team competition)
 

Dr. Detroit

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She's worth $5million plus and has 7-figure endorsement deals in her future. She has teams of trainers, coaches, nutrionalists, facilities and the like at her disposal.

The poor schlub who has a broke down car, needs to get to work and has rent due in 4-days faces more "pressure".

Idolizing athletes who make $40M to dribble or swing a bat is beyond pale.
 

ponyo

Lifer
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She's worth $5million plus and has 7-figure endorsement deals in her future. She has teams of trainers, coaches, nutrionalists, facilities and the like at her disposal.

The poor schlub who has a broke down car, needs to get to work and has rent due in 4-days faces more "pressure".

Idolizing athletes who make $40M to dribble or swing a bat is beyond pale.
I will be surprised if she keeps her endorsement deals after the Olympics. If I was a business, I wouldn't want someone who quit to represent my brand. But Americans love redemption stories so maybe she can salvage her reputation with win at individual events.
 
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