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[Torn Mind]

He and Ponyo have no clue about sport. We all know where their roots of applauding Andrew Luck come from while destroying Simone Biles at the same time.

I'm gonna go eat some pork ribs.

If ponyo has a thing against blacks, it would be an interesting origin story since he is Asian.

 

[ponyo]

You don't know shit about football if you are going to give Andrew Luck a pass, and not just a pass but commend him like you just have done, and rail on Simone Biles as you have done in this thread. He quit on his team at a point in the season that it is impossible to recuperate from in a QB driven league, and here you revere him. I won't claim to know exactly why, though I'm pretty sure of why. It's not a good reason.

Did you have pork for dinner btw?

You need mental help. Everything is political, race, or gender with you. Always playing the victim and wanting handout.

 

[MrSquished]

You need mental help. Everything is political, race, or gender with you. Always playing the victim and wanting handout.

There is literally no other explanation for why you would applaud Andrew Luck for leaving his team at what is essentially the last moment before the start of an NFL season, in a totally QB driven league, that doesn't even have enough starters to go around, let alone quality backups, so literally no chance to save the season (he literally cost them any chance at going to the playoffs that year), when he has accomplished, in comparison, less than Simone Biles has in their sports, and then shit on her instead, than what I will wager is total sexism.

A lot of people don't want to admit what they are. And that's ok. I know a lot of people that insist they aren't what they are. I mean look at your compatriot in this thread, nobodysmind, the most delusional person in P&N. And, most people have no clue of what implicit bias is.

I mean your words speak for themselves. You just drooled over Andrew Luck leaving his team with literally zero options at the end of the day, and shit on Simone Biles who left her team with an opportunity to get a top three finish, which they did. I hope you can have a nice introspective moment one day. Good luck bro.

I don't know why you mentioned handouts. What handout am I talking about here? For the most accomplished female gymnast of all time? I mean what is even the point of that? What does a handout have to do with any of this discussion of elite athletes? I think that might be indicative of yet another bias of yours. Just sayin'

 

[manly]

Completely different situations so difficult to make comparisons. A QB1 quitting on his NFL team in the preseason is basically a death knell, unless you are one of those rare teams to have a Steve Young carrying a clipboard (basically doesn't happen in the salary cap era, the closest comp was Nick Foles when his stock was low AND he went on a God run). Biles not being able to go was almost certainly a net win for Team USA; she would have screwed up on multiple apparatus. Meanwhile, the team is deeper than anyone of us knew as they've done well without Biles.

As far as Andrew Luck goes, I'm pretty sure the Colts still paid him the $25M left on his contract. So kinda funny to hear him complimented for leaving that money on the table. Future contracts? Sure, if his body would have been able to hold up. But if ponyo wants to show off his asshole and conservatard bona fides, who am I to protest?

 

[Scarpozzi]

...in a totally QB driven league, that doesn't even have enough starters to go around, let alone quality backups, so literally no chance to save the season (he literally cost them any chance at going to the playoffs that year), when he has accomplished, in comparison, less than Simone Biles has in their sports, and then shit on her instead, than what I will wager is total sexism.

I have to jump in. I totally disagree with that comment. There are a mere 32 teams in the league. There are well over 150 valid QBs in the world that could fill those 1st through 3rd string positions. The issue is always accuracy, ability to unload the ball, ability to extend the play, ability to run the ball....and the ability to not panic under pressure. In many cases, the reason there are so few top-tier QBs is because it takes NFL experience to slow down the play and make the right decisions. The NFL is straight-up a mercenary type league and players come and go frequently. They only get limited opportunities to work together and it's a matter of finding timing and route matches between the QBs and Receivers for success. The roster caps, salary caps, contract lengths, and lack of starter injuries is what keeps the employed numbers low...not lack of talent. If there was such a true QB shortage, someone would have picked up Kaepernick by now.

For Biles....that's ok that she had a breakdown. I get it. She didn't have the rest of the team she was a part of 5 years ago and as a result, she was the veteran with the most to lose by not doing well. She's overwhelmed....probably due to the time change, lack of sleep, and time between events. You have one misstep, it's probably closer to the anguish an NFL kicker goes through than a QB. You can't stop the game to have a few practice kicks....you can stretch on the sidelines and have a warmup long before competitions. You are expected to go out on the field and perform. In those cases, if you mess up once, you start trying to fix the problem and can actually end up altering your technique worse.... NFL kickers often miss many kicks back to back as they adjust something that wasn't broken to begin with....

Funny story about me...when I was a kid, I was in a concert band and had to play these really bad crash symbols on a song. The director would point at me and I would crash the symbols together at the peak of the song. They were old, but in practice, I actually crashed them multiple times in practice where they created suction and didn't ring. They just made a clump sound. It resulted in the whole band in front of me turning around and looking at me. I was nervous over this because it probably happened 5 times during practice...including the last time before we performed our concert. Concert night, I didn't change what I was doing. I just relaxed and nailed the timing and the crash.....to everyone's relief. It was funny because I was complemented by my band mates on how it was the best crash symbol performance they'd ever heard. It's tough being in the spotlight for stupid things that really don't matter......but you only get one shot. You just have to crash and go....if they don't ring, drink a beer and forget about it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

As far as Andrew Luck goes, I'm pretty sure the Colts still paid him the $25M left on his contract. So kinda funny to hear him complimented for leaving that money on the table. Future contracts? Sure, if his body would have been able to hold up. But if ponyo wants to show off his asshole and conservatard bona fides, who am I to protest?

It's so funny these days how having even the slightest bit of free-think and venturing outside of the tribal victim-culture mentality opinion automatically asserts you into a "conservatard" group - regardless of how you actually voted - or the logic and rationale behind your opinion.

Strange times we live in, fo' sho.

 

[pete6032]

It's so funny these days how having even the slightest bit of free-think and venturing outside of the tribal victim-culture mentality opinion automatically asserts you into a "conservatard" group - regardless of how you actually voted - or the logic and rationale behind your opinion.

Strange times we live in, fo' sho.

It is not this single moment of "independent" thinking you have shown in this thread that has led to your label, but rather many years of "independent" thought and posting behavior that has led to your label.

 

[Torn Mind]

It's so funny these days how having even the slightest bit of free-think and venturing outside of the tribal victim-culture mentality opinion automatically asserts you into a "conservatard" group - regardless of how you actually voted - or the logic and rationale behind your opinion.

Strange times we live in, fo' sho.

MrSquished's tendency to fall into a crusader's holy war regarding sacred cows doesn't make your initial point of Biles being "fragile" any more true.

From the presepective of interacting sports fans, it's a matter of people watching sports usually caring only about results along with having zero ability to empathize(not symphatize) with the process of athletes preparing for and performing athletics.

The decision comes mostly down to costs and benefits. What is the expected impact of playing vs withdrawing. It boils down to her self-evaluation on whether she can do the task or not; it's isn't a matter of willingness, because I'm sure she's more than willing given the many hours of prep she put into competing in this competition. If can't she do the task because the nerves and muscle memory have failed her, the risk damage to both her body and the team's ability to medal would be severe. Whether the "injury" or potential for injury can be worked around also matters. The quality of the next man up does factor into the decision as well, although probably to a lesser degree.

The decision to withdraw because of the twisties is no different from withdrawing from other physical injuries like a torn knee ligament.

In general, certain athletes are hardened competitors, they don't want to sit and given that BIles is the last of that batch of the sex scandal, I'm sure her internal motivations would be against sitting out.

 

[Torn Mind]

I have to jump in. I totally disagree with that comment. There are a mere 32 teams in the league. There are well over 150 valid QBs in the world that could fill those 1st through 3rd string positions. The issue is always accuracy, ability to unload the ball, ability to extend the play, ability to run the ball....and the ability to not panic under pressure. In many cases, the reason there are so few top-tier QBs is because it takes NFL experience to slow down the play and make the right decisions. The NFL is straight-up a mercenary type league and players come and go frequently. They only get limited opportunities to work together and it's a matter of finding timing and route matches between the QBs and Receivers for success. The roster caps, salary caps, contract lengths, and lack of starter injuries is what keeps the employed numbers low...not lack of talent. If there was such a true QB shortage, someone would have picked up Kaepernick by now.

For Biles....that's ok that she had a breakdown. I get it. She didn't have the rest of the team she was a part of 5 years ago and as a result, she was the veteran with the most to lose by not doing well. She's overwhelmed....probably due to the time change, lack of sleep, and time between events. You have one misstep, it's probably closer to the anguish an NFL kicker goes through than a QB. You can't stop the game to have a few practice kicks....you can stretch on the sidelines and have a warmup long before competitions. You are expected to go out on the field and perform. In those cases, if you mess up once, you start trying to fix the problem and can actually end up altering your technique worse.... NFL kickers often miss many kicks back to back as they adjust something that wasn't broken to begin with....

Funny story about me...when I was a kid, I was in a concert band and had to play these really bad crash symbols on a song. The director would point at me and I would crash the symbols together at the peak of the song. They were old, but in practice, I actually crashed them multiple times in practice where they created suction and didn't ring. They just made a clump sound. It resulted in the whole band in front of me turning around and looking at me. I was nervous over this because it probably happened 5 times during practice...including the last time before we performed our concert. Concert night, I didn't change what I was doing. I just relaxed and nailed the timing and the crash.....to everyone's relief. It was funny because I was complemented by my band mates on how it was the best crash symbol performance they'd ever heard. It's tough being in the spotlight for stupid things that really don't matter......but you only get one shot. You just have to crash and go....if they don't ring, drink a beer and forget about it.

Many QBs are jocks who play it for the privileges and status in high school. Only the truly obsessive-compulsive lovers of the game rise to the top, and they also have to have a physical body to match that will AND have natural processing speed to execute everything in under 2 seconds. They also have to swallow their ego and not play hero ball or fancy themselves like an RB to look tough, like Wentz and RGIII.

Kaep was driving himself down the road to a backup anyway because he lack the processing speed and well, I think he found himself a new job as well.

Fitzpatrick is book smart Hahvard but he's basically an interesting Rex Grossman. He tosses picks too consistently, indicating he doesn't bother reading the field or danger very well.

Dwayne Haskins is basically the preppy kid in the party frat who loves the privilege but doesn't give a shit. Only problem is that he isn't white so no one dares call him preppy, spoiled, and lazy.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Many QBs are jocks who play it for the privileges and status in high school. Only the truly obsessive-compulsive lovers of the game rise to the top, and they also have to have a physical body to match that will AND have natural processing speed to execute everything in under 2 seconds. They also have to swallow their ego and not play hero ball or fancy themselves like an RB to look tough, like Wentz and RGIII.

Kaep was driving himself down the road to a backup anyway because he lack the processing speed and well, I think he found himself a new job as well.

Fitzpatrick is book smart Hahvard but he's basically an interesting Rex Grossman. He tosses picks too consistently, indicating he doesn't bother reading the field or danger very well.

Dwayne Haskins is basically the preppy kid in the party frat who loves the privilege but doesn't give a shit. Only problem is that he isn't white so no one dares call him preppy, spoiled, and lazy.

I think we all love talking about this topic deep down. It's the fundamental problem with the sport because so much supposedly rides on a QB's shoulders and in many cases it takes the village...OR a QB that knows how to fake out the other team.

Right on the high school comment, but I would suggest starting with the NCAA because they've already been ranked and recruited for their talent and not necessarily popularity. By the time they hit the combine, they're being assessed for everything from body size to throwing style to arm strength to jumping height. Of course, we see successes in college not translate to the NFL all the time. The margins shrink significantly.

RGIII is a stereotypical run and gun QB. The dual-threat guys are sometimes their own biggest enemy because they're always trying to make a decision on when to run if something doesn't materialize. So they think...."If I don't see something open up in 2-2.5 seconds, I'm going to take off..." They never think about the third or fourth options of hanging in the pocket (or stepping up into the pocket)....or rolling out and throwing the ball away. When they take off running, they often take more hits and have shorter careers as a result of it. I know RGIII had those knee injuries and it's just tough to stay healthy when your line isn't giving you full protection. If blocking breaks down, that 2 seconds can be even less... That seems to be the worst after a season or two of hard hits. I've been more impressed with the pocket QBs that occasionally scramble to get yards... It's great because the defense isn't expecting it and they only typically do it when they know they're not risking a dangerous hit.

I just mentioned Kaep because he kept claiming he was in tip-top shape and was still valid. I used to enjoy watching him play and respected him when he was in there. For him not being invited back into a top spot somewhere, the NFL ownership didn't want backlash since he started the kneeling. Apparently, some Americans don't appreciate protests going on during the national anthem. The teams are running a business and you can't upset your customer base when something is political or polarizing. I'm surprised Kaep didn't see that coming and promote some kind of kneeling moment after the anthem as soon as the complaints started. Racial injustice sucks, black lives matter, blue lives matter, and our national anthem certainly matters....I just hope some day we can figure out some way for everyone to trust one another again and distance all the politics from the gridiron. Sports are supposed to be about consuming beer and enjoying the game.

Fitz was always a wildcard. He reminds me of a Brett Favre style gunslinger QB. A lot of times, he has blind trust in his receivers and on many of those downfield throws, the ball is out before he even knows what the coverage is. I definitely know what you're saying though. It can be tough to watch, but fun to watch too.

I don't know Dwayne Haskins yet, so can't comment. The new talent is always fun to watch.

 

[MrSquished]

Anybody who follows football knows there are not 150 NFL starting quarterbacks able to take their team to the playoffs. There aren't even 32.

There is a simple fact. The moment Andrew luck quit the season just before the regular season started, at that moment the Colt's season was percent over. If the colts were built with an insane defense and just needed a good game manager at QB, there would have had a shot, but they weren't. Luck was so integral for that team, that season was toast. That roster of 53 players left, , and all the coaches, had no hope and zero chance of making it to the playoffs to have a shot at the title, which is the goal of anybody playing the sport for more than just a paycheck. Anybody who follows football should be able to understand this. That was a wasted season for all.

Biles stepping down did leave her team a shot.

The proof is in the pudding.

Team USA got silver. The colts had a losing season after going 10-6 the season prior and winning a playoff game. The main reason was luck retiring after his best season statistically.

You cannot deny that luck retiring so abruptly was worse for his team than Biles stepping down from the all around.

The facts aren't on your side. So if you not only defend luck but laud him for what he did, yet shit on Biles, there must be a reason why you are in such denial of reality.

Those reasons are quite easy to figure out. Cheers!

I respect both of those athletes decisions.

 

[JEDI]

And Simone said she will compete in the final individual event: The Balance Beam.

I think she should just sit it out?
there's soooooooo much more downside than upside if she doesnt medal.

it's not like there's another event left to redeem her.

And she gets bronze, the same as 2016 rio olympics.

On the balance beam, the only time to get the twisties is during the dismount.

So she chose an easier discount which was .4 less in difficulty than her normal routine.

If she would have done her normal dismount and executed it perfectly, she would have gotten silver.

But the keyword is executed.