if you're white, would you date a girl who has dated a black man?

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Diasper

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As far as this thread, I'd like to get past the simple branding of racism - the very notion of racism is a world with so many connotations and is essence an emotionally charged word and is really a broad reaching word that disguises the underlying processes at work. The terming racism belongs in political/cultural branding and discussions - by the very first post of this thread, this discussion belongs beyond that as the author has tried to understand the underlying processes and reasons for his feelings and what they mean.

Moreover, even in any usuage of branding, the word 'racism' cannot be applied because by its very definition it is linked to the belief of superiority of one race over the other - something the originall poster has shown <i> no </i> such opinion and in fact expressed to the contrary. So here at most could be accused of insecurity ...now we could really attribute this to the wider formative societal pressures that one grows up in (we can consider the role of the media etc). Nevertheless, the original poster can be seen to be a victim of this as much that undoubtedly the rest of us, albeit over different issues and in different ways. Importantly, I would like to distance this discussion now from individuals and branding them and is why I am trying not to use names - the very fact is that this is not an uncommon feeling (poll results) and so does not deserve to be limited to individuals.

From my understanding, the crux of this post is the transformation of a woman from a focus of attraction to suddenly becoming completely devoid of it. Asking a more general question - why can we be suddenly not be attracted to a woman we were before after actually meeting her and talking to her? Because we realise she is not interesting to us either in her activities or personality and that we do not have anything in common with her to make her 'attractive' to us. Extrapolate this to a girl that one has been interested in and then suddenly find out that she has had a terrible past (eg had several porn stars at once as from earlier posters) and then again suddenly she is no longer attractive because she has shown herself to be outside of something we can identify with and make her interesting and attractive to us. This can be despite of her otherwise having all the qualities that would make her perfectly attractive to us - this would even override the fact she could be our very soulmate all things considered. Thus, I categorize the poster original response within this - the very fact is this girl going out with a black man has overridden any attractiveness and placed her outside something he can identify with / 'attractiveness radar'. This can be because he is not black and because he has been told by all the pressures of family and society (media) that black men <i> are </i> different. This can easily be seen from popular culture and music to popular myths. The particular problem with this in a relationship is that no matter who you are, you always compare yourself to your partner's exes and unless you can compare up - identify with them and find some reasons why <i>you</i> are better than them and why you are better suited to your partner and why she wants <i>you</i>. Supposing you are told black men are completely different (esp sexually) and have it has an ingrained accepted belief, how is one to compare to oneself to someone regarded as so different? Going out with someone to be happy one needs to reconcile with one's partners past such that they don't matter +/ you compare favourably with them. If you can't completely forget about them and can't quite compare yourself, how can one reconcile oneself? Of course, at this point on insecurities can become involved and inextricably complicate things where nothing short of a psychoanalytical thesis can answer adequately. However, the original poster has shown no such insecurities so I won't touch on that.

Anyway, this can be extrapolated to other races and other viewpoints - from the black male or indeed as one poster commented from an asian male viewpoint.

In short, one should ask while the notion of a soulmate is perhaps ridiculous, is it worth risking losing that someone who could be so perfectly suited to you, who could make the rest of your life so unbelievably happy?
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Yes, and I am. And we've been together happily for 3 years now.

That being said, I support the OP and his feelings. Rather than being a complete moron and labeling him a racist while refusing to listen to reason.

There's lots of good advice and logic in this thread, mostly from people like Queasy, Arkitech, PingSpike (brilliant pathological adaptation instinct analogy), AStar617, and WinstonSmith to name a few.

You'll have to ignore the ignorance from such posts as moshquerade, Ausm, purbeast0, djheater, and DivideBYZero and a few others.*

I couldn't say anything else helpful that hasn't been summed up already by posts made by the first group of people. But just to summarize... try not to judge her TOO quickly. Even though you might not be as attracted to her now as you were before, try to get to know her better, or the guy she dated. With such a knee-jerk reaction like this, you may be missing out on a great relationship with a great person.

I hope this topic wasn't originally meant to be flamebait, and that this is an actual personal situation.

Good luck,
mobobuff
read his thread title and first post again. it has "i am prejudice" written all over it. deal with it. the only ignorance i see is your coddling the OP when it is obvious he has racial bias.

 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
56
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.
there are levels of racism. don't kid yourself.

 

Gurck

Banned
Mar 16, 2004
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Half on topic:

Do you (everyone) date black people?

I don't, because I'm not attracted to the skin color. How is that any different from not dating girls with small boobs or black hair or huge noses?
I have. You don't have to, this is different than not dating a woman because she had dated a black (or whatever) guy though.
 

mobobuff

Lifer
Apr 5, 2004
11,100
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Yes, and I am. And we've been together happily for 3 years now.

That being said, I support the OP and his feelings. Rather than being a complete moron and labeling him a racist while refusing to listen to reason.

There's lots of good advice and logic in this thread, mostly from people like Queasy, Arkitech, PingSpike (brilliant pathological adaptation instinct analogy), AStar617, and WinstonSmith to name a few.

You'll have to ignore the ignorance from such posts as moshquerade, Ausm, purbeast0, djheater, and DivideBYZero and a few others.*

I couldn't say anything else helpful that hasn't been summed up already by posts made by the first group of people. But just to summarize... try not to judge her TOO quickly. Even though you might not be as attracted to her now as you were before, try to get to know her better, or the guy she dated. With such a knee-jerk reaction like this, you may be missing out on a great relationship with a great person.

I hope this topic wasn't originally meant to be flamebait, and that this is an actual personal situation.

Good luck,
mobobuff
read his thread title and first post again. it has "i am prejudice" written all over it. deal with it. the only ignorance i see is your coddling the OP when it is obvious he has racial bias.

Can you actually express your ideas, and give reasonable suggestions as to why the OP is a racist? Or is having a developed point too hard for you? Much easier to just slap on a label and call it a day, huh?
 

iamskew

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Aug 17, 2004
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I'd tear that ass up no matter who she dated. I could care less what freakin color someone is.
 

PCmaker

Banned
Jun 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: armatron
this is a serious poll. I always considered myself not racist... I don't (or try not to) judge people when I meet them, etc etc... but there's this girl who I found out date(d) a black guy... and for some reason I was immediately turned off by it...

I dont blame you bro. I was always told that Asian males have tiny P*nis. So in your case you know that if a girl had already dated a black guy (known for their 7+), she would laugh when she sees your poodle like "thing".

My fiancee is indian ( dark ). we just got a baby and i love her. As long as there is love race doesn't matter.
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
56
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Yes, and I am. And we've been together happily for 3 years now.

That being said, I support the OP and his feelings. Rather than being a complete moron and labeling him a racist while refusing to listen to reason.

There's lots of good advice and logic in this thread, mostly from people like Queasy, Arkitech, PingSpike (brilliant pathological adaptation instinct analogy), AStar617, and WinstonSmith to name a few.

You'll have to ignore the ignorance from such posts as moshquerade, Ausm, purbeast0, djheater, and DivideBYZero and a few others.*

I couldn't say anything else helpful that hasn't been summed up already by posts made by the first group of people. But just to summarize... try not to judge her TOO quickly. Even though you might not be as attracted to her now as you were before, try to get to know her better, or the guy she dated. With such a knee-jerk reaction like this, you may be missing out on a great relationship with a great person.

I hope this topic wasn't originally meant to be flamebait, and that this is an actual personal situation.

Good luck,
mobobuff
read his thread title and first post again. it has "i am prejudice" written all over it. deal with it. the only ignorance i see is your coddling the OP when it is obvious he has racial bias.

Can you actually express your ideas, and give reasonable suggestions as to why the OP is a racist? Or is having a developed point too hard for you? Much easier to just slap on a label and call it a day, huh?
stop playing devil's advocate. :roll:

Originally posted by: armatron
Topic Title: if you're white, would you date a girl who has dated a black man?
this is a serious poll. I always considered myself not racist... I don't (or try not to) judge people when I meet them, etc etc... but there's this girl who I found out date(d) a black guy... and for some reason I was immediately turned off by it...

he is as a white guy immediately turned off by a girl he found out used to date a black guy. but yet he says he doesn't judge people? heh. that is a joke in itself.

but back to topic: he is turned off immediately that she has dated a black guy because he holds something against black guys. that is obvious. see it. believe it.
he slapped on his own label. you can stop trying to wipe the sh#t off his face anytime now.
 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
14,637
2
0
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

You'd have an awfully hard time convincing a jury that what he did was not racist by definition.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have a background sufficient to support my view of OP's action as racist.

I'm surprised that you would quantify unethical behavior. Just how racist does he have to be before he registers on your racism meter?

To borrow an expression filled with racial innuendo, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Progress cannot be made until OP realizes his behavior was incorrect. Despite your apples to oranges comparison, his behavior is still racist.


 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
56
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

You'd have an awfully hard time convincing a jury that what he did was not racist by definition.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have a background sufficient to support my view of OP's action as racist.

I'm surprised that you qould quantify unethical behavior. Just how racist does he have to be before he registers on your racism meter?

To borrow an expression filled with racial innuendo, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Progress cannot be made until OP realizes his behavior was incorrect. Despite your apples to oranges comparison, his behavior is still racist.
:thumbsup:

 

cjgallen

Diamond Member
Jan 20, 2003
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"If you're black, would you date a girl who has dated a white man?"

This thread is silly. People are people.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
23,168
0
71
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

You'd have an awfully hard time convincing a jury that what he did was not racist by definition.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have a background sufficient to support my view of OP's action as racist.

I'm surprised that you would quantify unethical behavior. Just how racist does he have to be before he registers on your racism meter?

To borrow an expression filled with racial innuendo, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Progress cannot be made until OP realizes his behavior was incorrect. Despite your apples to oranges comparison, his behavior is still racist.

it would NEVER GET BEFORE a jury because it WOULD NEVER be considered criminal behavior.

i don't have to justify anything. i don't have to justify his actions. you have to prove to me what he did was racist and you didn't. he acted on the natural predjudices he was raised with. did he consciously hurt someone of the "black" race by his actions? no, did he hurt the girl in question? no more than is normal in relationships. so you explain to me, what is his crime? does he go around hatin on black people? does he burn black people at the stake? does he refuse to work black co workers? does he refuse to work under black bosses? does he in fact refuse to associate with any black people?

no, he just chooses to keep them out of the most personal part of his life, his romantic part. What right do any of you morons have to try and dictate to him how he should do that?

 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,713
12
56
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

You'd have an awfully hard time convincing a jury that what he did was not racist by definition.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have a background sufficient to support my view of OP's action as racist.

I'm surprised that you would quantify unethical behavior. Just how racist does he have to be before he registers on your racism meter?

To borrow an expression filled with racial innuendo, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Progress cannot be made until OP realizes his behavior was incorrect. Despite your apples to oranges comparison, his behavior is still racist.

it would NEVER GET BEFORE a jury because it WOULD NEVER be considered criminal behavior.

i don't have to justify anything. i don't have to justify his actions. you have to prove to me what he did was racist and you didn't. he acted on the natural predjudices he was raised with. did he consciously hurt someone of the "black" race by his actions? no, did he hurt the girl in question? no more than is normal in relationships. so you explain to me, what is his crime? does he go around hatin on black people? does he burn black people at the stake? does he refuse to work black co workers? does he refuse to work under black bosses? does he in fact refuse to associate with any black people?

no, he just chooses to keep them out of the most personal part of his life, his romantic part. What right do any of you morons have to try and dictate to him how he should do that?
get a freakin clue! he posts crap about his personal life on a messageboard and he is going to get unsolicited comments. he acted on "natural predjudices"? ohhh, so that is what you like to call it? that's cop-out bullcrap. what he is demonstrating is not natural. i don't come by his type of attitude "naturally". it would not make a bit of difference to me if someone i dated had dated someone out of my race previously. OP needs to see that he has some prejudice issues and seek counsel. who knows what other areas of his life his "immediate turn off" for African Americans is seeping into.

 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
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2
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the absolute INTOLERANCE of the so called "NON RACISTS" in this thread just flat out amaze me.

so you only tolerate people that are beneath you and those that don't offend your personal beliefs. :roll:

I'm not really sure what you're getting at but let me say that wherein 'tolerance' can be misconsrued as condoning racist behavior it is wrong.

Racism is incorrect action.
Tolerance of racism is incorrect action.
There is no rationale by which either is justified.

what the OP did was NOT racist, hence the comment regarding "INTOLERANCE".

to put what the OP posted in the same category as the KKK with their hoods and burning people at the stake is just ludicrous beyond comprehension. even at the very worst interpretation of what the OP did in his post, you might say he has some racial tendencies, but to call him a RACIST just shows pure ignorance both of history and of the definition of the word.

You'd have an awfully hard time convincing a jury that what he did was not racist by definition.

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have a background sufficient to support my view of OP's action as racist.

I'm surprised that you would quantify unethical behavior. Just how racist does he have to be before he registers on your racism meter?

To borrow an expression filled with racial innuendo, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Progress cannot be made until OP realizes his behavior was incorrect. Despite your apples to oranges comparison, his behavior is still racist.

it would NEVER GET BEFORE a jury because it WOULD NEVER be considered criminal behavior.

i don't have to justify anything. i don't have to justify his actions. you have to prove to me what he did was racist and you didn't. he acted on the natural predjudices he was raised with. did he consciously hurt someone of the "black" race by his actions? no, did he hurt the girl in question? no more than is normal in relationships. so you explain to me, what is his crime? does he go around hatin on black people? does he burn black people at the stake? does he refuse to work black co workers? does he refuse to work under black bosses? does he in fact refuse to associate with any black people?

no, he just chooses to keep them out of the most personal part of his life, his romantic part. What right do any of you morons have to try and dictate to him how he should do that?

You changed the question we're arguing over.

My jury reference was not meant to be a red herring of legality, it was meant to imply that an objective group of twelve would not agree with you...

We weren't arguing whether what he did hurt anybody and was criminal. We're arguing over whether or not his thought was racist.

It was.

It's really not a question of whether or not I can prove it, it's self-evident.

Is your confusion over this that you're caught up with whether or not his action was legal?
It was certainly not illegal, but it was still incorrect action.

Tolerance can't be legislated, American law has proven that. It can only come through social change. To paraphrase Ghandi, we each must be the change we wish to see in the world. If the OP (and perhaps you) can admit that his thought was based on a racist principle he might be able to change that within himself. Which would be a beginning.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
16,129
2
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Title should say:
If you are not black, would you date a woman who has been with a black man
 

bluemax

Diamond Member
Apr 28, 2000
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Bigger != better IF x> "too small"

Too big = bashing around uterus causing all kinds of pain and discomfort.


(Style + Performance) > Sheer Size IF x != "too small"

define "too small", varies according to female.

Solution, talk to female - aquire more information.
 

gururu

Platinum Member
Jul 16, 2002
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calling OP racist is stupid and ignorant. if u havent been the subject of racism, you dont know how to identify it. if a man wouldn't date an ex of mine cause I'm latino, believe me, it doesn't impact me or my race at all. If a man won't hire my wife cause I'm latino, well hello. everyone jumps in with a higher-than-thou WASP opinion thinking they understand racism because they wrote the book. there is NOTHING wrong with the way OP feels. everyone has things they look for in a mate, and this particular preference is benign.
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
15,219
1
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Originally posted by: myusername
Is he midnight black or caffe mocha black? Also, does he talk black?

Man if your white, you can get away with just about anything here as long as its directed at blacks. This is the BS that just gets my blood boiling.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
23,168
0
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Originally posted by: gururu
calling OP racist is stupid and ignorant. if u havent been the subject of racism, you dont know how to identify it. if a man wouldn't date an ex of mine cause I'm latino, believe me, it doesn't impact me or my race at all. If a man won't hire my wife cause I'm latino, well hello. everyone jumps in with a higher-than-thou WASP opinion thinking they understand racism because they wrote the book. there is NOTHING wrong with the way OP feels. everyone has things they look for in a mate, and this particular preference is benign.

thank you.

ironically, i have been the victim of racism. having grown up in the deep south. the irony of course is that the race that discriminated against me most were black people.

get over it. life happens.
 
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