IG: Some Emails on Clinton's Server Were Beyond Top Secret

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nickqt

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Can someone please post a quick summary of how fucked up Hillary Clinton is?

-John
You're the one saying she's a terrible person, and yet you can't provide a quick summary yourself.

How fitting of your intellect and personal integrity.

#Trump/LeMay 2016
 

ivwshane

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You're the one saying she's a terrible person, and yet you can't provide a quick summary yourself.

How fitting of your intellect and personal integrity.

#Trump/LeMay 2016

No, it would violate his policy of never posting more than three sentences per post.
 

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Somehow, highly classified information from SIPRNet, as well as even the super-secure JWICS, jumped from those closed systems to the open system and turned up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s home emails — including several the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing ultra-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Programs, a subset of SCI.

He says it’s clear from some of the classified emails made public that someone on Clinton’s staff essentially “cut and pasted” content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels — and so sensitive in nature that “it would have been obvious to Clinton.” Most likely the information was, in turn, emailed to her via NIPRNet.


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And yet more information coming out concerning this "nothing" event. This pile only gets deeper but have no doubt the true believers will be along to tell you this all amounts to "nothing" as well.
 

OutHouse

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And yet more information coming out concerning this "nothing" event. This pile only gets deeper but have no doubt the true believers will be along to tell you this all amounts to "nothing" as well.


In one email, Clinton pressured Sullivan to declassify cabled remarks by a foreign leader.

“Just email it,” Clinton snapped, to which Sullivan replied: “Trust me, I share your exasperation. But until ops converts it to the unclassified email system, there is no physical way for me to email it.”

In another recently released email, Clinton instructed Sullivan to convert a classified document into an unclassified email attachment by scanning it into an unsecured computer and sending it to her without any classified markings. “Turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” she ordered.


D: damn... she and her incompetent staff needs to be locked up.
 
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Nebor

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Someone familiar with military computer systems help me out here. How the heck were classified emails making it off of SIPR\JWICS\NSANET and onto the regular old internet so they could be sent to her email server?
 

senseamp

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Someone familiar with military computer systems help me out here. How the heck were classified emails making it off of SIPR\JWICS\NSANET and onto the regular old internet so they could be sent to her email server?

They weren't. Based on what's currently known, she didn't get any material that was classified at the time. It was marked classified only after being reviewed for release to the various congressional committees.
 

PokerGuy

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Someone familiar with military computer systems help me out here. How the heck were classified emails making it off of SIPR\JWICS\NSANET and onto the regular old internet so they could be sent to her email server?

Print it out on a piece of paper, scan it into another computer, and voila, now you can email it outside secured systems.
 

fskimospy

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D: damn... she and her incompetent staff needs to be locked up.

In another recently released email, Clinton instructed Sullivan to convert a classified document into an unclassified email attachment by scanning it into an unsecured computer and sending it to her without any classified markings. “Turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” she ordered.

You guys might not understand what a nonpaper is, it's something where the sources, attributions, etc, are removed. (ie: almost certainly the parts that were classified) It appears the person writing the article didn't understand either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide-mémoire

In international relations, an aide-mémoire is a proposed agreement or negotiating text circulated informally among delegations for discussion without committing the originating delegation's country to the contents. It has no identified source, title, or attribution and no standing in the relationship involved.

This is why friends don't let friends read the NY Post. I'm sure you aren't the only one who was fooled by this.
 

Nebor

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Print it out on a piece of paper, scan it into another computer, and voila, now you can email it outside secured systems.

That's a clear cut case of the guy doing the printing\scanning going to jail.

I realize there are "network nexuses" where documents can cross from closed, classified networks to other networks (including the internet.) It sounds like, from her emails, maybe her "ops section" had such a capability?
 

Jhhnn

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Someone familiar with military computer systems help me out here. How the heck were classified emails making it off of SIPR\JWICS\NSANET and onto the regular old internet so they could be sent to her email server?

They weren't. References to that stuff came to her through normal email channels. When the NYT includes leaked information in a story, nobody can talk about it, not even in private, because it's..... Classified, of course. Not even the SoS. Even if it's on the front page of the NYT. I mean, you're familiar with Military Intelligence, I'm sure.

It's an exercise in security pinhead back biting. It's catch22 from wannabees who wannabee in a different world.
 

Jhhnn

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They weren't. Based on what's currently known, she didn't get any material that was classified at the time. It was marked classified only after being reviewed for release to the various congressional committees.

Who then selectively leak snippets & references to the Media to keep fueling the conspiracy theory.
 

Bowfinger

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Someone familiar with military computer systems help me out here. How the heck were classified emails making it off of SIPR\JWICS\NSANET and onto the regular old internet so they could be sent to her email server?
It's not that hard. You just wait until the New York Times or the Irish Times write stories mentioning the material, then have someone send you a link. Volia! Based on the examples in today's creative writing exercise, that's exactly what happened (and both examples are very old news). There was an NYT story mentioning drone strikes, and an IT story describing the situation in Libya.
 

Bowfinger

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And yet more information coming out concerning this "nothing" event. This pile only gets deeper but have no doubt the true believers will be along to tell you this all amounts to "nothing" as well.
For those who'd like the quick rebuttal of this propaganda piece:
NY Post Pushes Dubious Claim That Clinton Aides Improperly Circumvented Email Classification System

Writer Has A Long History Of Islamophobia, While Only Named Source Has Done Work For Anti-Clinton Group

The New York Post published a discredited conservative writer's thinly-sourced report that former State Department aides to Hillary Clinton illegally "cut and pasted" classified materials and sent them to Clinton's personal email. The report seems to be based solely on the claims of a former State Department official who has worked with the anti-Clinton organization Judicial Watch. ...
For the record, I recognize it is possible this former WorldNut Daily writer and a Judicial Watch propagandist have somehow, in fact, found the smoking gun to nail Clinton once and for all. Hope springs eternal for the Clinton haters. Of course it's also possible -- and just about as likely -- that I'm going to win this week's PowerBall. I'll wait for the FBI to give us real information instead of desperately swilling every RNC attack piece I can find. YMMV.

Edit: And you dismissing others as "true believers" is hilarious in its lack of self awareness.
 
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Fern

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Originally Posted by Fern View Post
We're speaking of federal govt for one thing, not the State of Florida. (I don't know and couldn't care less what Jeb did, that's up to the people of FL.)

For another your link doesn't have anything about Jeb setting up a private server.

WTF are you talking about? Do you even know?

Fern

Uh oh it looks like you've ventured into dumb fuck mode.

From the article you clearly didn't read.
As governor, Bush used his account, jeb@jeb.org, to conduct official, political and personal business, including plans to woo new businesses to the state, judicial appointments and military matters, the e-mail records show. His e-mail server was housed at the governor’s office in Tallahassee during his two terms; he took it with him when he left office in 2007.

So Jeb's email server was located at his official govt office, on state govt property? This is somehow similar to one held in a bathroom closet offsite?

Nowhere in what you quoted does it say or even imply that Jeb's server was "private". Link where you found that Jeb's server was not built/managed by FL state employees and where the state of FL didn't automatically get backups etc.

Second, your question didn't say you are only asking about federal employees. So excuse me if I didn't read your mind.

So it needs to be pointed out to you that info on the state of FL is not national security info? Nor is it 'classified' under federal law?

Lastly, what Clinton is being accused of would not change had she used a private email she setup or one by a private company like Gmail, of which the prior two SoS used.

Only half true. I agree that putting classified documents on Gmail would seem to violate the law just as it would on a non-Gmail private server. However, I don't see how she could have wiped email on Gmail, so that issue wouldn't seem to exist with Gmail.

Additionally, she has so far failed to explain why she went to the unique/unusual extent to setup a private server instead of just Gmail etc for her personal emails. It seems that motive is in question as the investigation has been reported to extend to improper dealings between herself as SOS and the Clinton Foundation (influence peddling). For some reason she felt this extreme measure of control (private server fully under her control) was necessary. Why?

Fern
 

Bowfinger

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Additionally, she has so far failed to explain why she went to the unique/unusual extent to setup a private server instead of just Gmail etc for her personal emails. It seems that motive is in question as the investigation has been reported to extend to improper dealings between herself as SOS and the Clinton Foundation (influence peddling). For some reason she felt this extreme measure of control (private server fully under her control) was necessary. Why?

Fern
This has been explained, both in the media and here. Bill Clinton had the server set up for his email when he left the White House. Hillary Clinton chose to use it as well. Simple and convenient.
 

OutHouse

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she has so far failed to explain why she went to the unique/unusual extent to setup a private server instead of just Gmail etc for her personal emails.

thats easy. she didnt want google to own and archive her emails for eternity. she was hoping for a easy out in-case shit hit the fan. she failed.
 

OutHouse

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This has been explained, both in the media and here. Bill Clinton had the server set up for his email when he left the White House. Hillary Clinton chose to use it as well. Simple and convenient.

You understand the difference between a former president and a sitting secretay of state right?
 

compuwiz1

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Tom DeLay's sources at FBI says they're ready to indict. She could be guilty of all of it, but Loretta Lynch doesn't have to do it.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tom-delay-hillary-clinton-indict-fbi/2016/01/25/id/710813/


The FBI is ready to indict Hillary Clinton and if its recommendation isn't followed by the U.S. attorney general, the agency's investigators plan to blow the whistle and go public with their findings, former U.S. House Majority leader Tom DeLay tells Newsmax TV.
 

fskimospy

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Tom DeLay's sources at FBI says they're ready to indict. She could be guilty of all of it, but Loretta Lynch doesn't have to do it.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tom-delay-hillary-clinton-indict-fbi/2016/01/25/id/710813/

Tom Delay would be an expert on getting indicted, of course, haha.

I bet a disgraced former congressman who has been out of office for a decade has great sources inside the FBI that he has coincidentally decided to share with an ultra right media outlet. You guys will really swallow anything.
 

Bowfinger

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You understand the difference between a former president and a sitting secretay of state right?
I made a simple statement of fact, rebutting Fern's claim that this hasn't been explained. It has. It's unfortunate you can't keep up with such a straightforward, two-comment exchange.
 

buckshot24

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I made a simple statement of fact, rebutting Fern's claim that this hasn't been explained. It has. It's unfortunate you can't keep up with such a straightforward, two-comment exchange.
I don't think your explanation gets to the heart of the question.
 

Bowfinger

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I don't think your explanation gets to the heart of the question.
The question was irreparably flawed because its premise was false. Hillary Clinton used the email server they already had. It in no way was going to a "unique/unusual extent"or "an extreme measure of control." It was there and it was convenient. That's the plain answer, regardless of others' insinuation and speculation.
 

nickqt

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Tom Delay would be an expert on getting indicted, of course, haha.

I bet a disgraced former congressman who has been out of office for a decade has great sources inside the FBI that he has coincidentally decided to share with an ultra right media outlet. You guys will really swallow anything.

It's not so much that they'll swallow anything, as much as they're always, somehow, someway, having things shoved down their throats.
 
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