IG: Some Emails on Clinton's Server Were Beyond Top Secret

[Jhhnn]

You have no idea what you are talking about, and are such a partisan hack that even me given her the benefit of the doubt is seen as an attack. If you confirm that the details leaked to the wild are correct, you are releasing classified information, that is not a catch-22 you hack. Being briefed onto a SAP program, and being expected to remember what you were told, is also not a catch-22.

Confirmed it? To whom? Do you really think that foreign govts don't already know more about the drone program from their own sources than the average American? That numerous congressional sources & the President have acknowledged the existence that the CIA denies?

So you defend the practice that leaked information should be treated as if it weren't leaked? The notion that not even the SoS can talk about it in private after it's already been leaked?

What a bunch of self important pissants.

Reference-

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/u...to-include-material-exceeding-top-secret.html

 

[Zorba]

Confirmed it? To whom? Do you really think that foreign govts don't already know more about the drone program from their own sources than the average American? That numerous congressional sources & the President have acknowledged the existence that the CIA denies?

So you defend the practice that leaked information should be treated as if it weren't leaked? The notion that not even the SoS can talk about it in private after it's already been leaked?

What a bunch of self important pissants.

Reference-

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/u...to-include-material-exceeding-top-secret.html

I don't know what was or was not in any of these e-mails. The problem is you are taking my general comments (notice I even said they were general) and then trying to say it is wrong over a specific event.

It is the law, that even if classified information is leaked to the public, that you don't talk about it or confirm it. It seems like this would be common sense. Now after something is massively well known, it should be declassified, as well.

So again, if someone just e-mails you a link to the story, I don't see any reason that you would have to report it (even though technically you probably should). However, if the person puts in the e-mail "Holy crap, how did they get everything right? Who told them we bombed Bob on Friday?" that is clearly a disclosure of classified information that must be reported.

Then again, I get briefed on this crap every year, for every program I am cleared on to and in general. I think most people in this thread with actual experience in the subject have issues with what happened because we know if we had done it, we'd be screwed.

Edit: BTW: The SoS can talk about classified data all they want to cleared people with a need to know, in a proper secured location. Not through e-mail, much less e-mail on a private server.

It is also interesting that you think following the law makes you a self important pissant. I personally think not following the law makes you a self important pissant.

 

[OutHouse]

Yeah but he knows how classified info works...he said so!

/s

good grief.

time to find the ignore feature so i dont have to read your garbage.

 

[pcgeek11]

Confirmed it? To whom? Do you really think that foreign govts don't already know more about the drone program from their own sources than the average American? That numerous congressional sources & the President have acknowledged the existence that the CIA denies?

So you defend the practice that leaked information should be treated as if it weren't leaked? The notion that not even the SoS can talk about it in private after it's already been leaked?

What a bunch of self important pissants.

Reference-

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/u...to-include-material-exceeding-top-secret.html

That doesn't matter IAW the rules that exist.

Leaked or not it is still classified and has to be treated as such. And no the SoS cannot just talk about it in private even after it was leaked unless the other party has the proper clearance and need to know.

It is however obvious who has and has not worked with classified information before... Jhhnn, iwshane and others

This:

I think most people in this thread with actual experience in the subject have issues with what happened because we know if we had done it, we'd be screwed.

 

[ivwshane]

That doesn't matter IAW the rules that exist.

Leaked or not it is still classified and has to be treated as such. And no the SoS cannot just talk about it in private even after it was leaked unless the other part has the proper clearance and need to know.

It is however obvious who has and has not worked with classified information before... Jhhnn, iwshane and others

This:

You can be the top authority in the country on handling classified info and you'd still have zero facts to prove this is a scandal.

 

[ivwshane]

good grief.

time to find the ignore feature so i dont have to read your garbage.

Garbage? I'm still waiting for you to show us all how you know more than others in this thread.

But hey! Go ahead and add me to THE LIST!!!

 

[Cr0nJ0b]

All the people getting worked up over this issue is just funny.

It's a non-issue that people want to make into some big thing because the media is telling them that it's a big deal. So sad. just like Cheney and bush getting kickbacks for oil deals or UFO's crop dusting us with mind control spray. This is another big fat nothing. what happened here was that a bureaucrat from the other side setup an email server...and send email. story over! Didn't powell do the same thing when he was SoS? did anyone die? did any information leak? Did anything bad happen? Nope. Just a lot of nothing for the other side to bitch about rather than tackle real issues.

Q: How many conservatives does it take to fix healthcare?
A: None. It's not broken for the people that matter.

See you in November when Trump makes the move to the middle and sells you out like boardwalk casino in a recession.

 

[pcgeek11]

You can be the top authority in the country on handling classified info and you'd still have zero facts to prove this is a scandal.

Didn't say I could prove anything. The same goes for you Hillary lovers also you cannot prove there isn't a problem with the handling of classified information.

What has been put out from the Intelligence IG does sound damning and if true charges should be brought. Regardless of what some are saying the IG is Obamas appointee and not a republican shill. No matter how much you want him to be.

 

[ivwshane]

Didn't say I could prove anything. The same goes for you Hillary lovers also you cannot prove there isn't a problem with the handling of classified information.

What has been put out from the Intelligence IG does sound damning and if true charges should be brought. Regardless of what some are saying the IG is Obamas appointee and not a republican shill. No matter how much you want him to be.

And as I've already linked to in this thread, several months ago he said he found nothing worth moving forward on and concluded his investigation.

Go ahead, keep on keeping on, I won't stop you, I'll just continue calling bullshit like I have for the last three years while waiting for this scandal to explode!

 

[pcgeek11]

Well you don't know any more than anyone else so you calling bullshit really means nothing. So go right ahead.

 

[boomerang]

good grief.

time to find the ignore feature so i dont have to read your garbage.

Come on in! The water's fine!

 

[Jhhnn]

That doesn't matter IAW the rules that exist.

Leaked or not it is still classified and has to be treated as such. And no the SoS cannot just talk about it in private even after it was leaked unless the other party has the proper clearance and need to know.

It is however obvious who has and has not worked with classified information before... Jhhnn, iwshane and others

This:

So, uhh, you're claiming that Clinton and her aides didn't have the security clearance to talk about leaked information among themselves?

The best part for the nit picking ravers is that the conversation is... Classified! so we'll never know what was said. Perfect conspiracy theory material.

 

[alien42]

Didn't say I could prove anything. The same goes for you Hillary lovers also you cannot prove there isn't a problem with the handling of classified information.

do you realize you just pulled the classic prove a negative fallacy?

might as well ask people to prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, which is of course impossible. i often see that same fallacy used by scam victims.

you are beyond desperate and grasping for straws.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

good grief.

time to find the ignore feature so i dont have to read your garbage.

I have very few people on ignore, but he's one of them...welcome to the club.

 

[wetech]

And as I've already linked to in this thread, several months ago he said he found nothing worth moving forward on and concluded his investigation.

Go ahead, keep on keeping on, I won't stop you, I'll just continue calling bullshit like I have for the last three years while waiting for this scandal to explode!

Actually, what you linked to was an article about his limited review of her emails. He looked at 40, found 2 containing classified info, and then forwarded the case on the FBI.

 

[ivwshane]

Actually, what you linked to was an article about his limited review of her emails. He looked at 40, found 2 containing classified info, and then forwarded the case on the FBI.

Is he or is he not apart of the current investigating? The emails he did find were classified after the fact and he wasn't going to take further action. And he didn't forward the case to the FBI, the FBI was already doing an investigation. So at best we are dealing with 2nd hand hearsay.

And guess what? Every piece of linked info about this scandal so far (and I'll remind you, this has been going on for three years AND multiple investigations) have turned out to be BS. Why do you think this is any different, especially considering how close we are to the first primary?

 

[wetech]

Is he or is he not apart of the current investigating? The emails he did find were classified after the fact and he wasn't going to take further action. And he didn't forward the case to the FBI, the FBI was already doing an investigation. So at best we are dealing with 2nd hand hearsay.

And guess what? Every piece of linked info about this scandal so far (and I'll remind you, this has been going on for three years AND multiple investigations) have turned out to be BS. Why do you think this is any different, especially considering how close we are to the first primary?

I believe his investigation (again, of 40 email) was concluded and then... he forwarded the case to the FBI. All he can do is write a report and suggest further action. What other action do you want him to take? You seem to be implying that "no further action was taken" is some sort of proof that nothing criminal happened. But that's the job of the FBI to determine, not his.

From your own article:

McCullough forwarded his findings to various intelligence agencies and the National Counterintelligence and Security Center (NCSC), and then referred the case to the counterintelligence division of the FBI on the recommendation of the NCSC.

 

[Zorba]

So, uhh, you're claiming that Clinton and her aides didn't have the security clearance to talk about leaked information among themselves?

How dense are you? What everyone is saying is they couldn't talk about it outside of a secured location/network. Nobody can discuss classified information on an unsecured network or in an unsecured location.

 

[soundforbjt]

I believe his investigation (again, of 40 email) was concluded and then... he forwarded the case to the FBI. All he can do is write a report and suggest further action. What other action do you want him to take? You seem to be implying that "no further action was taken" is some sort of proof that nothing criminal happened. But that's the job of the FBI to determine, not his.

From your own article:

So, since he (IG) was done months ago and forwarded the case on up the channels, where is he getting his info he's leaking?

 

[ivwshane]

I believe his investigation (again, of 40 email) was concluded and then... he forwarded the case to the FBI. All he can do is write a report and suggest further action. What other action do you want him to take? You seem to be implying that "no further action was taken" is some sort of proof that nothing criminal happened. But that's the job of the FBI to determine, not his.

From your own article:

Precisely! So other than the known emails we have that discusses the highly classified but publicly aware program of drone strikes, exactly what new and exploding informative do we have? Nothing.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, since he (IG) was done months ago and forwarded the case on up the channels, where is he getting his info he's leaking?

He's not leaking it. Repub congress critters are leaking it, thereby confirming the veracity of the NYT article in ways that Clinton never did in her emails.

Then setting the pinheads to raving about how she confirmed classified information to imaginary Chinese hackers, or something, anything. Kinda like Jade Helm only different.

 

[soundforbjt]

He's not leaking it. Repub congress critters are leaking it, thereby confirming the veracity of the NYT article in ways that Clinton never did in her emails.

Then setting the pinheads to raving about how she confirmed classified information to imaginary Chinese hackers, or something, anything. Kinda like Jade Helm only different.

So, they're (repubs) "leaking" old info? I thought the IG leaked this recently.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, they're (repubs) "leaking" old info? I thought the IG leaked this recently.

It's all in the timing, in keeping the rubes on the line. It's like Lucy & the football that Charlie Brown will never get to kick.

 

[Zorba]

He's not leaking it. Repub congress critters are leaking it, thereby confirming the veracity of the NYT article in ways that Clinton never did in her emails.

I am perfectly fine with them frying congress as well. Actually I'd prefer they do.

 

[Rakehellion]

Who cares?