Ignorant with SCSI need your help!

hongkongwong

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I am completely ignorant with SCSI devices and was hoping someone would be able to give me some advice. Here are some questions:
1) What determines a good SCSI card?
2) What brands make repuatable SCSI card and devices?
3) Is SCSI really that much faster?
4) What devices does SCSI increase the speed of most?
5) What SCSI harddrives are good?

Thanks to anyone who bothers to reply to this post.
 

RayEarth

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well from my usage, kongwonghong... retail SCSI is always better than OEM, you'll know for sure it's brand new, Adaptec is the most commonly used SCSI around with their latest 160 models. from my use, i don't see major perform boost that i can tell from my bare eyes. SCSI devices are commonly used with SCSI hard drives & cdroms, most people that would use scsi is because of RAID & some because of speed & the rich use them because it cost more than IDE, I would say a 7200rpm 8ns, ATA100 hard drive is just as good as any SCSI.
 

zetter

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> 1) What determines a good SCSI card?

One that does what you want it to.

> 2) What brands make repuatable SCSI card and devices?

Host Adaptors = Adaptec
Devices = depends on what sort of device you are talking about
CD/CDR/CDRW = Plextor
DAT/AIT = Sony
HDD = Seagate, IBM

> 3) Is SCSI really that much faster?

Depends on how you are going to use it. If you set up a nice RAID 5 array with five disks, then yes, it is faster than IDE.

> 4) What devices does SCSI increase the speed of most?

Hard Disks when used in a RAID array.

> 5) What SCSI harddrives are good?

See point 2 above.
 

Ulysses

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From www.whatis.com:

"RAID (redundant array of independent disks) is a way of storing the same data in different places (thus, redundantly) on multiple hard disks. By placing data on multiple disks, I/O operations can overlap in a balanced way, improving performance. Since multiple disks increases the mean time between failure (MTBF), storing data redundantly also increases fault-tolerance.

A RAID appears to the operating system to be a single logical hard disk. RAID employs the technique of striping, which involves partitioning each drive's storage space into units ranging from a sector (512 bytes) up to several megabytes. The stripes of all the disks are interleaved and addressed in order.

In a single-user system where large records, such as medical or other scientific images, are stored, the stripes are typically set up to be small (perhaps 512 bytes) so that a single record spans all disks and can be accessed quickly by reading all disks at the same time.

In a multi-user system, better performance requires establishing a stripe wide enough to hold the typical or maximum size record. This allows overlapped disk I/O across drives.

There are at least nine types of RAID plus a non-redundant array (RAID-0):

RAID-0. This technique has striping but no redundancy of data. It offers the best performance but no fault-tolerance.
RAID-1. This type is also known as disk mirroring and consists of at least two drives that duplicate the storage of data. There is no striping. Read performance is improved since either disk can be read at the same time. Write performance is the same as for single disk storage. RAID-1 provides the best performance and the best fault-tolerance in a multi-user system.

RAID-2. This type uses striping across disks with some disks storing error checking and correcting (ECC) information. It has no advantage over RAID-3.

RAID-3. This type uses striping and dedicates one drive to storing parity information. The embedded error checking (ECC) information is used to detect errors. Data recovery is accomplished by calculating the exclusive OR (XOR) of the information recorded on the other drives. Since an I/O operation addresses all drives at the same time, RAID-3 cannot overlap I/O. For this reason, RAID-3 is best for single-user systems with long record applications.

RAID-4. This type uses large stripes, which means you can read records from any single drive. This allows you to take advantage of overlapped I/O for read operations. Since all write operations have to update the parity drive, no I/O overlapping is possible. RAID-4 offers no advantage over RAID-5.

RAID-5. This type includes a rotating parity array, thus addressing the write limitation in RAID-4. Thus, all read and write operations can be overlapped. RAID-5 stores parity information but not redundant data (but parity information can be used to reconstruct data). RAID-5 requires at least three and usually five disks for the array. It's best for multi-user systems in which performance is not critical or which do few write operations.

RAID-6. This type is similar to RAID-5 but includes a second parity scheme that is distributed across different drives and thus offers extremely high fault- and drive-failure tolerance. There are few or no commercial examples currently.

RAID-7. This type includes a real-time embedded operating system as a controller, caching via a high-speed bus, and other characteristics of a stand-alone computer. One vendor offers this system.
RAID-10. This type offers an array of stripes in which each stripe is a RAID-1 array of drives. This offers higher performance than RAID-1 but at much higher cost.

RAID-53. This type offers an array of stripes in which each stripe is a RAID-3 array of disks. This offers higher performance than RAID-3 but at much higher cost."

 

Tseng

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Tekram makes great SCSI controller cards for much less and the performance is slightly better than Adaptec.

Performance and driver support is the factors that determine a good SCSI card or not.

I personally use SCSI card to connect my CD and CD-RW. I felt that CD simply takes too many CPU cycles. And SCSI CD-RW is better than IDE ones w/o doubt.
 

Erasmus-X

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1. One that gets the job done for you, performs well, and runs stabily on your machine.

2. For adapters, I have good luck with both Adaptec and Tekram. Tekram is a lot cheaper and performs about the same, so there's usually not a good reason to spend hundreds more for a name (unless you need an Ultra160 card, which I don't think Tekram makes yet). As for devices, it really depends on what it is.

3. Yes! For starters, your SCSI host adapter has its own CPU, thus minimizing host CPU usage and giving you snappier performance. In addition to that, SCSI is a much more efficient bus. More than one device can be accessed at once on a chain (unlike IDE) and it supports the disconnect feature, which allows the bus to automatically deactivate drives when not in use, thereby freeing bandwidth for use by active devices. In terms of real-world performance however, you'll probably only benefit from SCSI if you run a server, burn lots of CDs, do A/V editing, etc. (basically anything that will heavily tax your drive bus).

4. Mainly hard drives, especially in RAID arrays.

5. Seagate, Quantum, IBM
 

Tseng

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Erasmus-X,
Just a friendly correction, Tekram does make Ultra160 SCSI control card.

Their DC-390 U3 Series. Way cheaper than Adaptec ones.
 

helloworld

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As of today, it's not available for sale anywhere, else I would have picked one up instead of the 29160 that I have now.

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hongkongwong

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Thanks sOoOOo much to all of you who posted here. I appreciate it and you guys also saved me from buying an adaptec one. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! anymore insightful posts would be well appreciated!
 

IceStorm

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If you go SCSI, use something other than Win98SE.

I see no appreciable speed difference between my all-IDE system and my all-SCSI system:

All IDE:
Maxtor 40GB 7200 RPM ATA/66 drive on Ultra66 controller
Toshiba SD-M1212 DVD-ROM on secondary channel, slave
Misumi CR-4802TE CD-RW on secondary channel, master
Using a Promise Ultra66 controller for the Maxtor. Was using the integrated on the Abit SE6, until the board died. Now I'm using a Soyo 6BA+ rev III
CPU has been a PIII-650 OCed from 866 to 995, and now a PII-266.

All SCSI:
Tekram DC390U2W host adapter
Two Western Digital 10K RPM 18GB Vantage drives - 80MB/sec. as specified on boot by controller
Toshiba SD-M1201 DVD-ROM - 20MB/sec as specified on boot by controller
Plextor 12x4x32x CD-RW- 20MB/sec as specified on boot by the controller.

The Tekram controller has the abiliy to split the SCSI bus such that single-ended devices don't degrade performance of the differential devices. Even with that, I'm not getting better performance than the all-IDE system. Unless you're using W2K, NT, Linux, or another "modern" OS, there's little point to SCSI, it seems.

Just my $0.02
 

hongkongwong

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Your 2 cents is worth a lot! =) I am not planning to use 98. I'm going to use dual boot, linux and either ME or 2000.
 
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