IGP: IVB vs. Trinity

[Kristijonas]

So as far as I know, Ivy Bridge and Trinity CPUs are both going to be released in 1-3 months? I plan on building a new IGP build for daily use and gaming, so which one would you choose? As far as I know, Trinity will possibly have faster graphics, while Ivy Bridge will have a faster processor, lower power draw and lower temperatures. Ivy Bridge also has that feeling of "high-tech" for me, but I'm still ain't sure if IVB is a better choice than Trinity. All suggestions are very welcome.

 

[fourdegrees11]

Just to be clear, you will be gaming without a dedicated graphics card? If so Trinity should perform better.

 

[Kristijonas]

I will be gaming, but I only play RPG and strategy games, so it's only important to run games like Skyrim, DX:HR, Witcher 2 on low-medium without lag. And I also play heavily CPU-loaded games, such as Supreme Ruler, Hearts of Iron 3, Magna Mundi

 

[denev2004]

Ivy Bridge also has that feeling of "high-tech" for me either.
But doubt about the driver for IVY IGP....

If the Trinity's CPU is not worse than Bulldozer, I would choose Trinity.

 

[Kristijonas]

I believe by processing speeds Trinity will be much slower than Bulldozer and just somewhat faster than Llano, which is similar to i3 2100.

 

[Inspire]

Its just speculation until we see Anand's test results.

Delays happen...

 

[Kristijonas]

Ok then I might revive this thread when the results are out. So when are first Trinity and IVB desktop processors are "rumored" to be out?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Ivy Bridge is coming in late Q1/early Q2, which is said to be April-May(April for early parts). Trinity is said to be coming Q2 too, but I assume they'll do the same thing they did with Llano and do a pre-launch in April and official one in June.

 

[Kristijonas]

omg both so late. I hoped for something in january...

 

[IntelUser2000]

The way I see it, the reasons for delays are:

Intel:
-For the sake of builders. The 6 series chipset delay moved the cycle to Q2, basically
-Problems with the chip, volume ramp, or just getting ready. Eventually there will be far more 22nm chips made than in any other previous generation
-Or maybe just being safe and giving extra validation time to not screw up 7 series chipset launch. They can launch the chip first, to fit with 6 series chipsets, but it would take the spotlight away from 7 series chipsets.

AMD:
-They launched refresh of Llano 5 days ago!!
-1 year cycle is pretty optimal for well, everything. It doesn't change except under the most needed/dire circumstances, even in the case the predecessor was delayed
-Some roadmaps say production is Q1. Unfortunately for people looking to buy them, "production" is meaningless. Ivy Bridge is in production now, you just can't buy them

 

[Tuna-Fish]

And I also play heavily CPU-loaded games, such as Supreme Ruler, Hearts of Iron 3, Magna Mundi

Trinity is going to disappoint you on Paradox games. The best choice on desktop is IVB/SNB + a discrete card.

If you want a laptop and to play games, the best advice still is to buy two computers. "Gaming laptops" are generally a joke in price/performance, and are usually only barely movable. A cheap gaming computer and a netbook is probably a better choice, unless you really need to be able to play games on the go.

 

[IntelUser2000]

"Gaming laptops" are generally a joke in price/performance, and are usually only barely movable.

ROTLMAO

I always thought they should try approaching it from the other end. Take those all-in-one desktops and add a battery to it.

If you are ok with 12-15 lbs then I guess its fine.

 

[Kristijonas]

Thank you, IntelUser2000, I guess I'll wait until spring and decide then.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I love me some Intel, but man, for a gaming-on-APU-only system, Intel's IGP sucks pretty freakin' hard. And that's okay -- the TDP/die space is still in favor of the CPU, which is how it should be. But yeah, if you want a gaming box without a discrete GPU, AMD is the only way to go.

 

[Kristijonas]

I disagree. I'm not going to play Battlefield 3 and even intel HD2000 is almost enough for my games (The only games I can't play with it is DX:HR, Skyrim, and Witcher 2). Intels new IGP can be quite enough to play these in low-medium on 40fps ( I hope ).

 

[Riek]

I disagree. I'm not going to play Battlefield 3 and even intel HD2000 is almost enough for my games (The only games I can't play with it is DX:HR, Skyrim, and Witcher 2). Intels new IGP can be quite enough to play these in low-medium on 40fps ( I hope ).

The current HD3000 plays skyrim fine @ 20-40fps.... @ resolution of 800*600. If you take enough with such resolutions the HD4000 in IB might be something for you. Altough i don't see any reason why IB would be a better choice than trinity. Assuming the same price, the cpu performance won't make a noticable difference either. So the only reason i see might be power consumption in high load?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not sure why you are dismissing AMD here -- SNB's CPU performance is not better enough than Llano/Trinity's to warrant taking the abysmal GPU performance. AMD's IGP is, what? 2x as fast as HD 3000? 3x?

 

[Kristijonas]

800*600 is out of question I can play on low settings, but only on max resolution. Higher CPU performance means a big deal in paradox interactive games I often play, so that's where IVB comes in handy. Intel HD2000 graphics are already more than enough for PI games, but CPU is sometimes lacking (there's never enough for their games heh)

Intel17, I'm absolutely not dismissing AMD, and I'd probably not even consider taking i3 2025 over a8 3870. But with Ivy Bridge processors (that should have graphics more or less equal to llano) things might change. But once again, we need to wait and see test results of Trinity vs IVB for CPU and IGP speed comparisons.

 

[Arkadrel]

If your planning on doing a budget machine.... I vote trinity.
(I ll bet its cheaper, so much so you can probably throw in a small discrete for hybrid crossfire and still be cheaper than the IB setup).

Its IGP is gonna be faster than Ivy Bridge's, and you have the option for hybrid crossfire (if you decide to throw in a extra 50$ or so for a low end card).

 

[Fox5]

If cost is the deciding factor, I would go even cheaper on cpu and buy a discrete gpu. Get a Sandy Bridge based Pentium, Athlon II, or Phenom II and throw in a discrete card. The integrated platforms aren't worth it on the desktop unless you're going for an HTPC or low power build.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ivy Bridge also has that feeling of "high-tech" for me either.
But doubt about the driver for IVY IGP....

If the Trinity's CPU is not worse than Bulldozer, I would choose Trinity.

Without seeing either . You would choose AMD trinity. So cpu performance no longer matters. When buying a cpu . Intels drivers are rapidly improving . Take into account the software stack (drivers) is much smaller than AMD . You guys take yourselves way to seriously. Considering intels resources this is going to be really interesting . What will be really amazing is after the fact . The same people who say llano is good enough will say Ivy bridge isn't . I will still use a discrete card regardless . But this is going to be fun watching people back slide.

 

[jones377]

Without seeing either . You would choose AMD trinity. So cpu performance no longer matters. When buying a cpu . Intels drivers are rapidly improving . Take into account the software stack (drivers) is much smaller than AMD . You guys take yourselves way to seriously. Considering intels resources this is going to be really interesting . What will be really amazing is after the fact . The same people who say llano is good enough will say Ivy bridge isn't . I will still use a discrete card regardless . But this is going to be fun watching people back slide.

How's Project Offset playing on your Larrabee GPU card Nemesis?

 

[BLaber]

We all generally expect Trinity to have better Graphics features & performance than Ivy Bridge , but a big question mark is how will CPU perform compared to Ivy bridge.

This all comes down to how mature Glofo 32nm process gets in few months & we can all look at bulldozer in general to get a understanding of how good the process ramp is in few months , If AMD can reduce power consumption of Bulldozer in next stepping then things definitely look better. I think AMD ending all Phenom II, Athlon II 45nm production is a step forward in this direction i.e not having share the same tools for 45nm & 32nm production as IDC talked about earlier in other thread.

Also there is a expected win 7 Bulldozer scheduler patch to look forward to & new software to make better user of Bulldozer CMT design & new instruction set e.t.c. Hope AMD can get its & Glofo act together & deliver some good this time.

Can any body conform if Trinity CPU & GPU are being made entirely on Glofo 32nm process or is Gpu being made using Tsmc 28nm & Cpu on Glofo 32nm.

 

[IntelUser2000]

How's Project Offset playing on your Larrabee GPU card Nemesis?

Nemesis uses Larrabee to make his predictions.

 

[Nemesis 1]

How's Project Offset playing on your Larrabee GPU card Nemesis?

Lol. It didn't go well . Better for me than the Intel guy who caused the hype. I do believe Pat is working in a smaller pasture now.Will see how knights corner effects NV sales in HPC arena. Intel may still have the last laugh with its easier software abilities.