ILIKESPRITE, update on him!

[Rendus]

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: gnarley
i wonder why the mods decided to delete ilikesprite's original thread

You know, I don't always agree with all the decisions the mods make around here but I do believe that they make choices based on the best interests of this community,if that thread was deleted they must have had good reason for making that decision.Instead of everybody getting all up in arm's about it, why not all take a step back,consider that possibility and be supportive of it ?

Also, consider this, if indeed this young person was serious and is now getting help, when he's feeling better he will at least not have the shame of knowing that thread is sitting around here to remind him
of blacker days .

In essence, you want us to support a decision that nobody understands the reasoning behind, because there may be a good reason, but nobody can think of one? Think about that a moment, please.

As far as being reminded of blacker days, this is an event that should help him in the future. It can't be forgotten (how does one forget such a thing?), and pretending it didn't happen doesn't help.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Rendus

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: gnarley
i wonder why the mods decided to delete ilikesprite's original thread

You know, I don't always agree with all the decisions the mods make around here but I do believe that they make choices based on the best interests of this community,if that thread was deleted they must have had good reason for making that decision.Instead of everybody getting all up in arm's about it, why not all take a step back,consider that possibility and be supportive of it ?

Also, consider this, if indeed this young person was serious and is now getting help, when he's feeling better he will at least not have the shame of knowing that thread is sitting around here to remind him
of blacker days .

In essence, you want us to support a decision that nobody understands the reasoning behind, because there may be a good reason, but nobody can think of one? Think about that a moment, please.

As far as being reminded of blacker days, this is an event that should help him in the future. It can't be forgotten (how does one forget such a thing?), and pretending it didn't happen doesn't help.

Part of growing up, and moving beyond the "suicidal phase" (which, from personal experience, is what it is)... part of maturing is learning to come to terms with your actions, not hiding them or denying them.

I can certainly see how the mods might see fit to delete a post like that, however... it's not always the most conducive to polite discussion (as we saw with RD and others), and, sometimes, won't help the situation at all.

 

[Mill]

You know, I don't always agree with all the decisions the mods make around here but I do believe that they make choices based on the best interests of this community,if that thread was deleted they must have had good reason for making that decision.Instead of everybody getting all up in arm's about it, why not all take a step back,consider that possibility and be supportive of it ?

Also, consider this, if indeed this young person was serious and is now getting help, when he's feeling better he will at least not have the shame of knowing that thread is sitting around here to remind him
of blacker days .

While 99% of the time I am in full agreement with the mods, this time they missed it. I am not going to blindy support them on something like this. I also wouldn't have thought RD would be such an asshole about it. RD you are dead wrong to make the comments you made. I know you will say that you don't give a fvck, but you are a human. There is no way you feel good about that.

To the rest of you grow up. The only ones getting pissy here are the ones that can't stand the spotlight not be on them for a little while.

IMO that thread was not deleted in the best interests of the community. Hey what the hell do I know? People think that someone who posted this on the internet is just looking for attention. Think again. A guy on ClubSi pulled the same thing and offed himself. He died.

Let that sink in.

Regards,
Mill

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Rendus

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: gnarley
i wonder why the mods decided to delete ilikesprite's original thread

You know, I don't always agree with all the decisions the mods make around here but I do believe that they make choices based on the best interests of this community,if that thread was deleted they must have had good reason for making that decision.Instead of everybody getting all up in arm's about it, why not all take a step back,consider that possibility and be supportive of it ?

Also, consider this, if indeed this young person was serious and is now getting help, when he's feeling better he will at least not have the shame of knowing that thread is sitting around here to remind him
of blacker days .

In essence, you want us to support a decision that nobody understands the reasoning behind, because there may be a good reason, but nobody can think of one? Think about that a moment, please.

As far as being reminded of blacker days, this is an event that should help him in the future. It can't be forgotten (how does one forget such a thing?), and pretending it didn't happen doesn't help.

Well, right off the top of my head I can think of one excellent reason for that thread being deleted, this is a computer tech board,not a psychiatric help line,what if things had turned out differently, if this kid had killed
himself ? How would those folks trying to help had felt then ? Allowing such threads puts the membership and Anandtech into a huge position of responsibility that very few here are qualified to take on.Also can you spell liabilty? There's also the thought of precedence setting,if such threads are allowed and receive huge response, we might well start seeing these sorts of threads being posted by those who are merely bored or warped enough to wish to amuse themselves at the emotional expense of the rest of us.

As to the person involved in this, he will not forgot this ,but if he receives appropriate treatment and help, it
would be to his benefit as an adult to have as few public records of this incident as possible laying around to potentially bite him in the rump.

What works in the best interests of a few people may well be disasterious to the larger community as a whole and the mods are here to protect the interests of all of us,so I say cut them some slack here.

I'm off to work now , have a good day everyone

 

[Orsorum]

Baffled speaks with wisdom.

It's a tough situation. At what point do you say, "This is beyond the scope of this board?" As we've all seen, it's easy to get wrapped up in a board like this. It's fun, it's personal, and it's easy to communicate. However, you get to a point where you're putting more of your life on here than off...

Liability is also a big issue. Look at the whole thing with... that guy (can't remember his name...) who had the alter ego, a couple of years ago... that was a big deal for Anand. The fact that it was completely made up made an ass out of AT.

 

[Supahfreak]

and ozzy osburn's song didnt help any bit (sucide solution).

Dont blame Ozzy, the whole song is about Alcohol. He was singing about his friend who drank himself to death. Solution meaning liquid, if you listen to the lyrics you'll see what I mean.

Ozzy rulez,

FreAk:|

 

[Mill]

I am sorry but any human life to me is worth the liability of that thread.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: baffled2Well, right off the top of my head I can think of one excellent reason for that thread being deleted, this is a computer tech board,not a psychiatric help line,what if things had turned out differently, if this kid had killed himself ? How would those folks trying to help had felt then?

I'm sorry Baff. I usually agree with you, but you are wrong on this one. First of all, this is NOT Computer Tech Board. This is Off Topic. "A public meeting place, a Pub, if you will... A place for computer junkies to boldly post Off Topic... Things you might want to tell everyone... Or things you wouldn't say to anyone else.". The comp tech boards are elsewhere in this forum.

And so what if this isn't psychiatric help-line? What were we supposed to do? Tell him that "No! We don't want to hear about it! Go talk somwhere else!". Had we done that.... Well, there's no telling what might have happened. And I remember you were among the first in that thread offering your help. If you have concerns of liability or are concerned that that thread doesn't fit in the rest of the board, why did you reply and offered your help?

People here are not psychiatrists. They were concerned people who did the right thing.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Millenium
I am sorry but any human life to me is worth the liability of that thread.

That is very easy to say when you are not the one who will be held accountable and liable.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: Millenium
I am sorry but any human life to me is worth the liability of that thread.

That is very easy to say when you are not the one who will be held accountable and liable.

I have to play devil's advocate here... there does come a point where you have to say, "This is beyond the scope of this message board", plain and simple. Am I saying that people were not justified in helping him? No.

But, there comes a point where a message board is simply that - a message board. There should have been someone in this young man's life who spotted those symptoms and should have taken action, before he posted on here.

 

[Nefrodite]

well theres always cases like the most recent suicide at berkeley, guy posted on a forum and people told him to go for it

 

[Supahfreak]

Oh yeah, good job Punk. I'll PM you if I ever have any issues

FreAk

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Supahfreak
Oh yeah, good job Punk. I'll PM you if I ever have any issues

FreAk

Yet another example... while gopunk's actions are commendable, he doesn't have the time, training or experience to be handling cases like these.

If someone keeps bringing issues like these to a board like this, they're going to get armchair psychologist answers, not true clinical help. It's a danger.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: baffled2Well, right off the top of my head I can think of one excellent reason for that thread being deleted, this is a computer tech board,not a psychiatric help line,what if things had turned out differently, if this kid had killed himself ? How would those folks trying to help had felt then?

I'm sorry Baff. I usually agree with you, but you are wrong on this one. First of all, this is NOT Computer Tech Board. This is Off Topic. "A public meeting place, a Pub, if you will... A place for computer junkies to boldly post Off Topic... Things you might want to tell everyone... Or things you wouldn't say to anyone else.". The comp tech boards are elsewhere in this forum.

And so what if this isn't psychiatric help-line? What were we supposed to do? Tell him that "No! We don't want to hear about it! Go talk somwhere else!". Had we done that.... Well, there's no telling what might have happened. And I remember you were among the first in that thread offering your help. If you have concerns of liability or are concerned that that thread doesn't fit in the rest of the board, why did you reply and offered your help?

People here are not psychiatrists. They were concerned people who did the right thing.

I offered to help,number one because quite frankly I felt he was just having a very bad day and probably just needed some encouragement to find someone in his real time life that he could trust enough to talk
to. Also, I worked in the field for 15 yrs and know enough to know when being "helpful" ends and taking responsibilty and possible liability begins.

Yes,this is off topic, would you like to see it become littered with these types of threads on a regular,ongoing basis ? I see this board as a place to have some fun,get advice on common mundane life issues, not as a place to dump serious emotional issues/life problems on a group of people who in many cases are still teenagers themselves,I don't think it's fair or wise.

Gotta run, will be late to work !

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: baffled2

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: baffled2Well, right off the top of my head I can think of one excellent reason for that thread being deleted, this is a computer tech board,not a psychiatric help line,what if things had turned out differently, if this kid had killed himself ? How would those folks trying to help had felt then?

I'm sorry Baff. I usually agree with you, but you are wrong on this one. First of all, this is NOT Computer Tech Board. This is Off Topic. "A public meeting place, a Pub, if you will... A place for computer junkies to boldly post Off Topic... Things you might want to tell everyone... Or things you wouldn't say to anyone else.". The comp tech boards are elsewhere in this forum.

And so what if this isn't psychiatric help-line? What were we supposed to do? Tell him that "No! We don't want to hear about it! Go talk somwhere else!". Had we done that.... Well, there's no telling what might have happened. And I remember you were among the first in that thread offering your help. If you have concerns of liability or are concerned that that thread doesn't fit in the rest of the board, why did you reply and offered your help?

People here are not psychiatrists. They were concerned people who did the right thing.

I offered to help,number one because quite frankly I felt he was just having a very bad day and probably just needed some encouragement to find someone in his real time life that he could trust enough to talk
to. Also, I worked in the field for 15 yrs and know enough to know when being "helpful" ends and taking responsibilty and possible liability begins.

Yes,this is off topic, would you like to see it become littered with these types of threads on a regular,ongoing basis ? I see this board as a place to have some fun,get advice on common mundane life issues, not as a place to dump serious emotional issues/life problems on a group of people who in many cases are still teenagers themselves,I don't think it's fair or wise.

Gotta run, will be late to work !

Have a good day at work, baff!!!

<--- waves good morning.

 

[Supahfreak]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Supahfreak
Oh yeah, good job Punk. I'll PM you if I ever have any issues

FreAk

Yet another example... while gopunk's actions are commendable, he doesn't have the time, training or experience to be handling cases like these.

If someone keeps bringing issues like these to a board like this, they're going to get armchair psychologist answers, not true clinical help. It's a danger.

Hello, just kidding. RELAX. Take deep breaths


FreAk

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Supahfreak

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Supahfreak
Oh yeah, good job Punk. I'll PM you if I ever have any issues

FreAk

Yet another example... while gopunk's actions are commendable, he doesn't have the time, training or experience to be handling cases like these.

If someone keeps bringing issues like these to a board like this, they're going to get armchair psychologist answers, not true clinical help. It's a danger.

Hello, just kidding. RELAX. Take deep breaths


FreAk

At this point, I'm trying not to fall asleep in my chair.

I realized that your post was in jest... however... I've had that happen before.

Not to be callous, but... save someone's life once, they'll keep coming back to you. Eventually, you have to push them away and tell them to either get over it or seek professional help.

 

[dude]

Originally posted by: Jarwa

Originally posted by: joohang BTW, good job, gopunk. No matter what others say, you should be proud for saving a life. You have my respect, sir.

Agreed. However, don't most people that actually commit the act of suicide do it without much warning? In other words, they DON'T draw attention to themselves? I don't know. I'm not a psychoanalyst. Just a thought.

Actually, they are wanting attention! That's the reason why they almost always give a last cry for help before they go. It's just sad some people don't care because they don't know them "personally".

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: baffled2
I offered to help,number one because quite frankly I felt he was just having a very bad day and probably just needed some encouragement to find someone in his real time life that he could trust enough to talk to. Also, I worked in the field for 15 yrs and know enough to know when being "helpful" ends and taking responsibilty and possible liability begins.

In the end, we are responsible for our own lives. But if someone cries for help, and we turn our backs to him because we are afraid that it might harm us in some way, is a sad day for humanity.

We saved someone's life (well, we can't be sure what could have happened, but him dying was a real possibility), and people are debating that did we do the right thing or not

Yes,this is off topic, would you like to see it become littered with these types of threads on a regular,ongoing basis ? I see this board as a place to have some fun,get advice on common mundane life issues, not as a place to dump serious emotional issues/life problems on a group of people who in many cases are still teenagers themselves,I don't think it's fair or wise.

I don't think that this forum will become littered with suicide-notes. Far from it. And if someone does just that, and people here manage to save that individuals life, then isn't it worth it? I think it is. It could alter this forum somewhat, but if it saves lives, then so be it. I value human life far more than I value any message board, ATOT included. To put our wants of a clean 'n fun message board above someone elses life is rather selfish IMO. And that's just what Red did with his post.

 

[Orsorum]

I agree that Red's post was uncalled for, very callous, and very coldhearted.

However, I can see both sides of the issue. Again, it isn't an easy issue to resolve. There is natural human tendency to help out and support others, and the tendency to maintain ones own autonomy and independence.

 

[Supahfreak]

I realized that your post was in jest... however... I've had that happen before.

Not to be callous, but... save someone's life once, they'll keep coming back to you. Eventually, you have to push them away and tell them to either get over it or seek professional help.

It's cool, I'm just amazed that anyone would POST they're problems on a Msg board. That must suck to not have someone to talk to(friends, family, Dr. Drew)

FreAk

P.S.- No worries, my problems are incurable.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Supahfreak

I realized that your post was in jest... however... I've had that happen before.

Not to be callous, but... save someone's life once, they'll keep coming back to you. Eventually, you have to push them away and tell them to either get over it or seek professional help.

It's cool, I'm just amazed that anyone would POST they're problems on a Msg board. That must suck to not have someone to talk to(friends, family, Dr. Drew)

FreAk

P.S.- No worries, my problems are incurable.

I can identify with that... some times, it's just easier to post semi-anonymously online, then it is to seek help in person.

 

[Mill]

On the issue of liability. When you register you see a disclaimer that if you accept absolves anandtech of liability. I am sure a good lawyer could pick it apart. Really the issue isn't liability though. It is about whether or not a human life is worth anything these days. Like I said on ClubSi a guy killed himself. He had posted about being suicidal before then finally killed himself. I am sure someone will be in here to say that cleans the gene pool. Whatever. To me any human life is sacred, and if it can be saved then it should.

It really is sad that "liability" would ever have an impact on saving someone's life. Sad but it is true. If liability reallly is that issue then that is even sadder. Whatever.

 

[Hammer]

I think its great that people were able to help them. In a situation like this its best to take it at face value until its proven otherwise.

As for the original thread being deleted. I think that was also the right decision. Lets face it folks, we live in a litigious society. Just recently someone here on AT was going through a situation where they were harsh with a suicidal personal, and we're being sued because the person attempted suicide. I think the mods were probably acting to limit liability in a case like this because if something did happen, that thread would have been investigated.

 

[Miramonti]

Get better Ilikesprite!

Some of you other guys can die tho, and if you guys ever get in a serious accident someday, the most anyone should ever do for you is to call your isp.