Illegal aliens

[Childs]

Illegal aliens are illegal so there isn't much point in arguing that, but all they're looking to do is feed and clothe their families. Does it really put you guys out that much? They do pay taxes in the form of sales taxes, and they contribute to the economy. Once they're here they're here...I don't see how you can deny a starving person food or a sick person medicine just because they don't have a green card. Perhaps thats a bit melodramatic, but thats why some of these policies are in place. Some of the other benefits like drivers licenses and free public education I don't necessarily agree with...US citizens should get a free education before illegal aliens and I don't believe in ESL in primary schools, but they are still people.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I was reading somewhere that all these jobs that the government claim no one here will do... well, they were being done by college students to help pay for school, and part time as a 2nd job by parents who needed the added $$$ to support their familes.

Aside from taking work, I am more pissed that they get free education, free medical and free welfare. Sh!t how many Americans work their azzes here, pay taxes and cannot afford fort themselves what they are forced to give to ppl that are here illegally?

I agree. You know what sucks? Those that speak out are automatically labeled a racist. Hell, I'm pissed that part of my 30% taken out of my paycheck goes to support those filter feeding scums of society. If they put in as much as they took out, I would not mind. Free health care, free education, and the right to a driver's license?!

I don't care what anyone says ... this is an epidemic.

(1) What they put into society is not equivelant to what they pay in taxes.
(2) We bleeding hearts don't all want to protect illegal immigration.

I'd love to have no illegal immigrants and more legal immegrants but these broad strokes (like mass deportations) don't seem to solve any of the issues involved. We as a country should help Mexico create an environment where their citizens aren't compelled to come north for survival. Also, we need to make adjustments in our economy to prepare for the fact that we won't always have illegal immigrants, with illegally low rates of pay, working the fields to pick our food.

-geoff

 

[yukichigai]

One thing I'd like to point out: there is no concrete evidence that illegal immegrants by and far get any benifit from government services that are paid for via our taxes, besides open-to-the-public stuff. (Parks, etc.) For most of these benefits you need to provide proof of residency or a greencard, neither of which they have. And if they do have it then the illegal immegrants aren't to blame so much as the cosmic asshats who made the fake cards and whatnot for them.

I think if you're an illegal alien in this country you should be entitled to emergency services. (e.g. trip to the emergency room) However after they get you stabilized -- not recovered, but stabilized -- your ass is back in Mexico at one of their hospitals. (or wherever you came from)

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Childs
Illegal aliens are illegal so there isn't much point in arguing that, but all they're looking to do is feed and clothe their families. Does it really put you guys out that much? They do pay taxes in the form of sales taxes, and they contribute to the economy. Once they're here they're here...I don't see how you can deny a starving person food or a sick person medicine just because they don't have a green card. Perhaps thats a bit melodramatic, but thats why some of these policies are in place. Some of the other benefits like drivers licenses and free public education I don't necessarily agree with...US citizens should get a free education before illegal aliens and I don't believe in ESL in primary schools, but they are still people.

In a perfect world, no one would starve anywhere... but what is unfair is when people who are here legally, and work their azzes off to make ends meet and support their own families legally, get penalized by being forced to give stuff to other that are here illegally while they cannot afford it themselves.

this country was built on people who came here, legally, learned the language and busted their azzes to get ahead. In a case like that, everyone should be welcome. It is coming here illegally, taking jobs, not paying taxes and sucking up the resources that the people who pay for them cannot afford for their own families that is what is wrong.

Not picking on any ethnic background in particular.. wherever illegals are from, they are illegal and we need to be more strict on keep them out.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Am I out of line when I say we should penalize families for having a billion kids and then depending on the gov't to bail them out? I can't help but care when many of us are struggling to support ourselves and the illegals are entitled to so much when they shouldn't be here. How about immigrate over legally like the rest of us? I like RobCur's idea of sending food over there but the idea that they can work for a fast food joint and still earn 10x what they can earn there only hurts that idea.

If they keep coming like this, I will soon turn into a bum and will have to ask them for some change instead with a big sign that say's "will work for food" on the road. :|

:brokenheart:

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
this country was built on people who came here, legally, learned the language and busted their azzes to get ahead. In a case like that, everyone should be welcome. It is coming here illegally, taking jobs, not paying taxes and sucking up the resources that the people who pay for them cannot afford for their own families that is what is wrong.

Well, before it didn't matter, now the sign says no vacancy to any foreigner who isn't rich or fairly skilled. If that criteria existed for the last 150 years, I'm sure a lot more of you families would have been illegal when they first immigrated here.

Still, I don't fault anyone for not wanting them abusing the system designed for citizens. The border should be harder to crack. My thing is once they're here and need medical attention or food and clothing, just give it to them. Ship them back afterwards if need be, but dont deny them the basic services. They are still human beings, not stray dogs.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
this country was built on people who came here, legally, learned the language and busted their azzes to get ahead. In a case like that, everyone should be welcome. It is coming here illegally, taking jobs, not paying taxes and sucking up the resources that the people who pay for them cannot afford for their own families that is what is wrong.

Well, before it didn't matter, now the sign says no vacancy to any foreigner who isn't rich or fairly skilled. If that criteria existed for the last 150 years, I'm sure a lot more of you families would have been illegal when they first immigrated here.

Still, I don't fault anyone for not wanting them abusing the system designed for citizens. The border should be harder to crack. My thing is once they're here and need medical attention or food and clothing, just give it to them. Ship them back afterwards if need be, but dont deny them the basic services. They are still human beings, not stray dogs.

I would agree 100% ... if they were shipped back. And to be honest, I dont really blame them. This is the land of 'milk and honey' and 'the land of opportunity' I dont blame anyone who wants to come here and get a shot at the American Dream. After all, with the exception of the American Indians, we all came here from somewhere.

What i have a problem with, is their taking advantage. Coming in droves, taking whatever the system has to offer and not giving nearly enough back. Our border patrols are over stretched, under supported and our INS is in shambles. The taxpayer is being hammered to pay for stuff they cannot have for themselves and complaints are met with cries of racisim.

 

[Lothar1974]

I worked at a dive bar in MN a few years ago, 99% of the people who came to this bar were illegal mexicans. At least 200 per night(weekends). 75% couldnt speak english. Most would come in and drink untill they sh*t or pissed them self. I'd say 60% were using or dealing coke. I finally quite after having a third gun pointed at me, but this time they shot at us. Bullet was from a 38 that missed my chest by 4 inches. I hate the fact that there are more illegals everyday but it makes me furious when I hear some ahole immigrant saying how they hate America and americans. At that point I want to round them all up in a wood box and throw them out of a plane over their sh*thole country!

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Lothar1974
I worked at a dive bar in MN a few years ago, 99% of the people who came to this bar were illegal mexicans. At least 200 per night(weekends). 75% couldnt speak english. Most would come in and drink untill they sh*t or pissed them self. I'd say 60% were using or dealing coke. I finally quite after having a third gun pointed at me, but this time they shot at us. Bullet was from a 38 that missed my chest by 4 inches. I hate the fact that there are more illegals everyday but it makes me furious when I hear some ahole immigrant saying how they hate America and americans. At that point I want to round them all up in a wood box and throw them out of a plane over their sh*thole country!

You cannot stop them even if you wanted to, they are pouring in like raining dogs and cats
:shocked:

 

[MacBaine]

DER TURK ER JERRSSS!!!

 

[Isshinryu]

I'd rather move back to Belfast than live in Mexico, so I can understand why they're so hell-bent on living here. Sure, they need to pay taxes and not suck at driving, but other than that I don't see them as a huge inconvience.

As for the border patrols...thumbs up to them for doing their job.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Isshinryu
I'd rather move back to Belfast than live in Mexico, so I can understand why they're so hell-bent on living here. Sure, they need to pay taxes and not suck at driving, but other than that I don't see them as a huge inconvience.

As for the border patrols...thumbs up to them for doing their job.

Come to California. Something like 80% of the illegals are on welfare, free healthcare, etc.

Eight hospitals in LA had to shut down because they couldn't support the amount of illegals with no insurance coming in.

 

[Isshinryu]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Isshinryu
I'd rather move back to Belfast than live in Mexico, so I can understand why they're so hell-bent on living here. Sure, they need to pay taxes and not suck at driving, but other than that I don't see them as a huge inconvience.

As for the border patrols...thumbs up to them for doing their job.

Come to California. Something like 80% of the illegals are on welfare, free healthcare, etc.

Eight hospitals in LA had to shut down because they couldn't support the amount of illegals with no insurance coming in.

I'd rather move back to Belfast than visit California.

I guess I just can't grasp the reality of the situation, as it doesn't present itself to me. If it's that bad, then I retract my comment about them not being an inconvience.

 

[MisterMe]

OK so we round em all up and ship back to Guadelupe. Now that we are all happy and comfortable with only Americans being here, who's left with making the 250000 beds in Las Vegas - EVERY day? Who is going to pick all the fruit in CA? How long after you start spending 50% more on everything that basically comes off a farm before you say you want them back?
Face it, no matter what ideal you're operating from, the illegals have a place in our economy. Their status as "non-citizens" allows corp America to make the consolations that keep you from spending too much on the things you can't do without. Nike makes their shoes in Singapore - just by chance? Or is it to keep their overpriced Airs from being astronomically priced? Even GWB wanted to give them a little status here - a former TX governor that obvious sees the value. So take Lacretia out of Detroit and give her one of the same jobs that Consuela was oh so happy about and how long do think it would be before she didn't show for work....permanently...

 

[MisterMe]

Too long of a explaintion for my lazy butt to type so I'll just back down.

While I was typing this showed up....my point exactly...

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
I live in Tucson, AZ and its kinda sad that we have here a lot of illegal immigrants HOWEVER most of these people are actually very hard workers and will WORK for their money no matter how small. Tucson has an inordinate ammount of homeless people though, all of which stand on sidewalks and in medians and panhandle prettymuch. If even one of them even made a 10th of the effort some of the illegals do they'd probobly not be homeless. Its a sad state of affairs...

I say round up whoever is not working and ship em back down to mexico...let em learn a little respect for the american $

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

Too long of a explaintion for my lazy butt to type so I'll just back down.

While I was typing this showed up....my point exactly...

And your point would be???

 

[MisterMe]

And your point would be???

You must be Lacretias brother or you might consider scrolling up a bit...

 

[JulesMaximus]

NM

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MisterMe

And your point would be???

You must be Lacretias brother or you might consider scrolling up a bit...

Who the fvck is Lacretias?

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
Good.

Here in the Bay Area, there has been this family living here for 15 years and they've come here illegally and people want them to stay?

I'm sorry, but why are we rewarding them for coming here illegally? They haven't paid anything to social security, probably don't pay any taxes, I'm sorry, but put them in a crate and ship them back please. This goes for all illegal immigrants. I said this during the History test about shoving them in crates and shipping them back to where-ever the hell they came from.. And to ship them back UPS. That'll teach them.

Then everyone labeled me racist. Meh, fine by me, their ignorance.

Where did your grand parents or great grand parents come from?
According to your theory their DP asses should have been packed into crates & shipped back to where ever they came from.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MisterMe
OK so we round em all up and ship back to Guadelupe. Now that we are all happy and comfortable with only Americans being here, who's left with making the 250000 beds in Las Vegas - EVERY day? Who is going to pick all the fruit in CA? How long after you start spending 50% more on everything that basically comes off a farm before you say you want them back?
Face it, no matter what ideal you're operating from, the illegals have a place in our economy. Their status as "non-citizens" allows corp America to make the consolations that keep you from spending too much on the things you can't do without. Nike makes their shoes in Singapore - just by chance? Or is it to keep their overpriced Airs from being astronomically priced? Even GWB wanted to give them a little status here - a former TX governor that obvious sees the value. So take Lacretia out of Detroit and give her one of the same jobs that Consuela was oh so happy about and how long do think it would be before she didn't show for work....permanently...

Apparently 85% of the population (of ATOT) disagrees with you.

 

[OMGoddess]

Oh, I just want to add, keep the adults, send the kids back, they have no fricking respect for their parents or anybody else. You parents came here to be Americans put in their share to the greater good of the nation. Don't go around claiming that Mexico is better then the US. Oh and before anybody starts flaming me, I am an Immigrint that came here legally. (Vietnam my uncle is a Vietnam Vet).

 

[MisterMe]

Well - taxes are what taxes are...and beds need to be made. tired of paying x in taxes then it sounds like making more money is in orde. I will gladly continue to pay "higher taxes" in part to support the "jobs that americans don't want" because frankly, I would like my bed made. You said it yourself, Americans don't want these jobs....and we're not exactly gonna talk the third generation of welfare mothers into doing them. So who's gonna do 'em? Doesn't look like we much of a choice.

 

[OMGoddess]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MisterMe
OK so we round em all up and ship back to Guadelupe. Now that we are all happy and comfortable with only Americans being here, who's left with making the 250000 beds in Las Vegas - EVERY day? Who is going to pick all the fruit in CA? How long after you start spending 50% more on everything that basically comes off a farm before you say you want them back?
Face it, no matter what ideal you're operating from, the illegals have a place in our economy. Their status as "non-citizens" allows corp America to make the consolations that keep you from spending too much on the things you can't do without. Nike makes their shoes in Singapore - just by chance? Or is it to keep their overpriced Airs from being astronomically priced? Even GWB wanted to give them a little status here - a former TX governor that obvious sees the value. So take Lacretia out of Detroit and give her one of the same jobs that Consuela was oh so happy about and how long do think it would be before she didn't show for work....permanently...

Apparently 85% of the population (of ATOT) disagrees with you.

Apparently I'm one of the other 15% then.