illegal Latina goes back to mexico, but not allowed to return to the U.S.

[MotionMan]

I am not anti-immigration. I am anti-illegal-immigration.

Was the immigration of the original settlers illegal?

If you believe so, please support your position with links.

BTW, all my direct ancestors immigrated to the U.S. legally.

MotionMan

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Her parents broke the law and dragged their daughter into it. I feel sympathy for the daughter, but she is not above the law and shouldn't get special treatment because of a sob story.

Her parents, on the other hand, I feel contempt. They broke the law, leeched for years, then have the unmitigated gall to go to the news with a sob story to drum up tears? Thats low. Very low. Scumbags.

They even have an immigration lawyer working on the case. They spoke with him on TV, wonder if he is doing it for free.

 

[Wreckem]

You mean legal immigration?

MotionMan

The US pretty much had unregulated immigration for over half of its existence. Immigration reform started because of bigotry towards Asians and Catholics.

 

[Wreckem]

I dont know about Philippinos, but the reason we are so hard on legal Mexicans is because theres 10 million illegals from Mexico.

No the reason its so hard, isnt because of illegal immigrants. Its because historically before immigration reform in the 1960s we allowed more come from Mexico(and the Phillippines) than other places. The US has historically(a long time ago) allowed more immigration from China, India, Mexico and the Philippines, so it is much more difficult for people from those countries to legally immigrate .

 

[Wreckem]

I am not anti-immigration. I am anti-illegal-immigration.

Was the immigration of the original settlers illegal?

If you believe so, please support your position with links.

BTW, all my direct ancestors immigrated to the U.S. legally.

MotionMan

So did mine. They came when the US didn't have any regulations on immigration. Even after that as long as you weren't of a certain race/ethnicity/religion, it was still extremely easy to immigrate until around WWI. Most US citizens can trace their ancestry back to when the US more or less had open borders.

 

[darkxshade]

This country was also built on slavery, lets bring that back why don't we

 

[WaTaGuMp]

This country was also built on slavery, lets bring that back why don't we

It still exists, they are known as sweat shops.

 

[Wreckem]

It still exists, they are known as sweat shops.

There are more slaves in the US today than slavery at its peak. The US has a giant problem with human trafficking. And its not just in the sex trade. Its a big problem in both domestic service industries and restaurants.

 

[Wreckem]

This country was also built on slavery, lets bring that back why don't we

Im not saying we should go back to open borders.

But we need massive immigration reform.

 

[MotionMan]

The US pretty much had unregulated immigration for over half of its existence. Immigration reform started because of bigotry towards Asians and Catholics.

The "unregulated" immigration was legal immigration. Yes, it is harder to get in legally. That does not make illegal immigration right.

So did mine. They came when the US didn't have any regulations on immigration. Even after that as long as you weren't of a certain race/ethnicity/religion, it was still extremely easy to immigrate until around WWI. Most US citizens can trace their ancestry back to when the US more or less had open borders.

Mine mostly came through Ellis Island after WWI, when a common cold would buy you a ride back to the Old Country.

MotionMan

 

[Svnla]

Outside China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines, most only have to wait a couple years. Mexicans and Philippinos have to wait decades.

Yes, legal immigration process is long and tedious but is it ok for her parents knowingly broke immigration law so now she could get ahead of the long line? Don't think so.

It took years for me to get here and get my family here via the LEGAL way, why CAN'T she/her family/at least 11 ILLEGALS in the US right now do the same?

I am not saying let treat her badly, just saying she needs to get to the back of the line, BEHIND the tens of million of LEGAL immigrants that are waiting for YEARS and still waiting.

Except in the united states, it matters a great deal.

Juveniles receive vastly reduced punishments compared to adults.

See my reply above. She shall not be mistreat but she shall NOT get in front of the line because of her parents KNOWINGLY broke the rule.

 

[shortylickens]

Serious? It won't magically solve your personal problems or issues at life. All those cheap laborers gone? Good luck with all the prices skyrocketing at anything that involves labor- service industry, food, building, etc...

That will far far outweigh hospital costs or whatever they incur.

All those arguments have long since been refuted, quit making them.

 

[Yreka]

Im not saying we should go back to open borders.

But we need massive immigration reform.

So do you support limiting the quantity, or you want to take all comers as long as they are registered and pass merit (not international criminals etc) ?

 

[Zargon]

The US pretty much had unregulated immigration for over half of its existence. Immigration reform started because of bigotry towards Asians and Catholics.

or to ebb the flow from the great war and take a load off the already large poor populations in large citys

but im not denying the racism, the irish can go to hell!(kidding)

 

[Wreckem]

Yes, legal immigration process is long and tedious but is it ok for her parents knowingly broke immigration law so now she could get ahead of the long line? Don't think so.

It took years for me to get here and get my family here via the LEGAL way, why CAN'T she/her family/at least 11 ILLEGALS in the US right now do the same?

I am not saying let treat her badly, just saying she needs to get to the back of the line, BEHIND the tens of million of LEGAL immigrants that are waiting for YEARS and still waiting.

Its called humanitarian reasons. 1. She didnt do anything illegal. 2. The only life she knows is life in the US. 3. She cannot function in Mexico as she can't go to school or work.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Its called humanitarian reasons. 1. She didnt do anything illegal. 2. The only life she knows is life in the US. 3. She cannot function in Mexico as she can't go to school or work.

Tough, let this be a lesson to parents that come here illegally. Your actions can possibly hurt your children's future. Of course they wont learn a thing, they will just come here and stay under the radar.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

The only thing illegal about immigration is our laws.

 

[MotionMan]

So do you support limiting the quantity, or you want to take all comers as long as they are registered and pass merit (not international criminals etc) ?

How about two lines:

1. Like the current system, with limits etc., but, once you get in legally, you get benefits like public school, medical, etc. This can lead to citizenship.

2. Fast Lane, take all non-criminal comers, but you get no benefits and if you try to get them improperly, you get deported. This cannot lead to citizenship.

And, you cannot be in both lines.


In addition, everyone who is found to be present in the U.S. illegally gets deported and cannot get in line 1.

People will not stop breaking the law until there is are actual negative repercussions for doing it.

MotionMan

 

[Saint Nick]

This thread has 144 replies because "latina" is in the thread title.

 

[MotionMan]

The only thing illegal about immigration is our laws.

If it is the law, and has not been ruled otherwise by the Supreme Court, then it is, per se, not illegal.

MotionMan

 

[corwin]

This thread has 144 replies because "latina" is in the thread title.

It would have 10x more if someone would add "Hot":whiste:

 

[MotionMan]

Its called humanitarian reasons. 1. She didnt do anything illegal. 2. The only life she knows is life in the US. 3. She cannot function in Mexico as she can't go to school or work.

Did she claim to not know she was here illegally? If she knew she was here illegally, then she did do something wrong - she broke the law.

Also, I guess she will have to learn the language and how to function in a different country.

MotionMan

 

[Wreckem]

So do you support limiting the quantity, or you want to take all comers as long as they are registered and pass merit (not international criminals etc) ?

I support raising the limits but not doing away with them completely. I do support doing away with treating people differently based on country of origin(ie: China, India, Mexico etc). Everyone should be subject to the same line/same wait time. By that I mean the wait time for immigrants trying to get a 3rd preference work visa should be the same for everyone. 1st preference family would be different than 3rd preference work, but again 1st preference family should be the same for everyone. Etc etc.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Did she claim to not know she was here illegally? If she knew she was here illegally, then she did do something wrong - she broke the law.

Also, I guess she will have to learn the language and how to function in a different country.

MotionMan

Her mother didn't speak English and the kid does, how ironic.

 

[Wreckem]

Did she claim to not know she was here illegally? If she knew she was here illegally, then she did do something wrong - she broke the law.

Also, I guess she will have to learn the language and how to function in a different country.

MotionMan

A person not doing something on their own volition cant be held responsible. More when its a minor child.