How about two lines:
1. Like the current system, with limits etc., but, once you get in legally, you get benefits like public school, medical, etc. This can lead to citizenship.
2. Fast Lane, take all non-criminal comers, but you get no benefits and if you try to get them improperly, you get deported. This cannot lead to citizenship.
And, you cannot be in both lines.
In addition, everyone who is found to be present in the U.S. illegally gets deported and cannot get in line 1.
People will not stop breaking the law until there is are actual negative repercussions for doing it.
MotionMan
How about two lines:
1. Like the current system, with limits etc., but, once you get in legally, you get benefits like public school, medical, etc. This can lead to citizenship.
2. Fast Lane, take all non-criminal comers, but you get no benefits and if you try to get them improperly, you get deported. This cannot lead to citizenship.
And, you cannot be in both lines.
In addition, everyone who is found to be present in the U.S. illegally gets deported and cannot get in line 1.
People will not stop breaking the law until there is are actual negative repercussions for doing it.
MotionMan
A person not doing something on their own volition cant be held responsible. More so a minor child.
The US doesn't have the man power or the money to deport everyone.
Sounds good, but what about when 2 illegal parents come here and have a kid.. Do you change the "anchor baby" law ?
That does not mean they should not try. Start with the low hanging fruit and work your way up.
MotionMan
Its called humanitarian reasons. 1. She didnt do anything illegal. 2. The only life she knows is life in the US. 3. She cannot function in Mexico as she can't go to school or work.
The US doesn't have the man power or the money to deport everyone.
If she knew she and her parents were here illegally, then she knowingly did something wrong - remaining here.
MotionMan
I support raising the limits but not doing away with them completely. I do support doing away with treating people differently based on country of origin(ie: China, India, Mexico etc). Everyone should be subject to the same line/same wait time. By that I mean the wait time for immigrants trying to get a 3rd preference work visa should be the same for everyone. 1st preference family would be different than 3rd preference work, but again 1st preference family should be the same for everyone. Etc etc.
They already do that by way of deporting criminals. They don't even have enough man power/money to deport all the illegal aliens committing crimes.
See, you are using your heart and not your mind.
First of all, as I said previously, NOT going to ban or mistreat her, just have her to move to the back of the line, behind other LEGALS. No reward for ILLEGAL activities from her parents.
Secondly, why should we need more folks like her and uneducated ILLEGALS while there are tens of million folks with college degrees, education, skill, money, desire, drive to move here the LEGAL way?
Thirdly, Do we want more of future Google, Yahoo, Intel, PayPal (those companies are found or co found by LEGAL immigratns btw) folks via LEGAL immigration or do we want more "no hable english senor" ILLEGALS?
If it is the law, and has not been ruled otherwise by the Supreme Court, then it is, per se, not illegal.
MotionMan
So she just hits road, and walks back to Mexico, right? That's the problem with laws, and American laws particularly. They give the stupid a rule book to follow, so they don't have to think. That's the lazy way out, and shits on justice. As I've said before legal/illegal isn't a synonym for right/wrong, or just/unjust.
Sounds good, but what about when 2 illegal parents come here and have a kid.. Do you change the "anchor baby" law ?
My former law professor, the retired immigration judge, disagrees.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
MotionMan
As much as I don't like the result, I think the Anchor Baby Law must stay. However, the parents still must go through one of the lines, they are just not subject to deportation.
I do find it is interesting that the Anchor Baby Law is based on the location of birth and not conception.
MotionMan
I have a compromise - she's getting good grades in school, she has learned English. She's trying to not be a leach on society. If she remained in the U.S., she seems destined toward having a decent career. I say we allow her back, and we have a lottery of able-to-work people who have been milking the welfare system, and we send one of THEM back to Mexico in her place.
She can blame her parents for her problems just like every other American child doesPunishing a person for someone elses actions is completely and totally unjust.
So she should have to wait 18 years(in all likelihood), while a white European would only have to wait a couple?
Blah blah blah. Laws created by racists who have forgotten how and why (or don't care) the USA was created. All our founding documents say that illegal laws are void ab initio. So someone argued and convinced racists that their racist ways are compatible with our founding documents. Many are easily fooled. This place is for ANYBODY to come and WORK. This country is supposed to be a role model for freedom and a haven from oppression.
Punishing a person for someone elses actions is completely and totally unjust.
So she should have to wait 18 years(in all likelihood), while a white European would only have to wait a couple?
But that takes the "teeth" out of your #2 ( ok that sentence on its own sounds really weird)
The parent(s) would get all of the benefits of social services to support the child citizen. Public School, Welfare, Medical (in our State).. Sure it would still be better than what we have now, but the huge incentive to come here illegally still remains.
I think breaking the law is wrong. You don't?
MotionMan
As a blanket statement, no I don't think breaking the law is wrong. Some laws are fine, and some laws aren't. In this case, the law isn't fine. Printing in a book should never take the place of common sense, and justice.
Like religion, people get wrapped up in the rules, and the rules become the primary objective. In Christianity, the purpose is to be Christ-like. Somehow that got changed into following petty rules that are very UNChrist-like. Laws are meant to promote justice. The law isn't goal; it's just a tool. JUSTICE is the goal.
Dream on. How about send ALL the illegals home.