Well that's exactly what the 1st post was asking for actually just to open the game to all. And ok I accept your explanation. :beer: perhaps one of the few posters to simply explain it in a clear way.Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.
However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.
Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
hah I'm the dumbest person at AT
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
hah I'm the dumbest person at AT
Maybe you should update your first post.....hmm maybe I should update my sig to add that quote.
I don't think that the law makes a distinction about whether or not lottery "tickets" hold inherent value or not. (According to each state.)Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
Originally posted by: EvilRage
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.
However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.
Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
When I buy cards and what not they always have things like "Register this card to win _______". They aren't doing the lottery or anything illegal.
-Kevin
(Also, something completely aside the point, why the hell would you access the SLI Zone web page without and SLI system????)
This giveaway as it seems is not even open in NY so maybe NY doesn't really differentiate? A few other states as well.Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I don't think that the law makes a distinction about whether or not lottery "tickets" hold inherent value or not. (According to each state.)Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
Originally posted by: EvilRage
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.
However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.
Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.
Personally, this thread was pretty interesting to me, and it seems from a perusal that NV's "lottery" may well be illegal, precisely because they don't provide a means to enter without buying anything, and no mention of a contest of skill required.
Someone at NV is just totally boneheaded for coming up with this promotion, and not following through with the little "extras" that would make such a thing legal.
For example, most other giveaways of this type allow entry for free, and also mention that a contest of skill is required before awarding the prize. (Math problem, I guess?) That last item, I'm pretty sure, is just for the lawyers, so that they can get away with holding such a giveaway.
Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.
However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.
Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.