Illegal Lottery?

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Praxis1452

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.

The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.

However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.

Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.
Well that's exactly what the 1st post was asking for actually just to open the game to all. And ok I accept your explanation. :beer: perhaps one of the few posters to simply explain it in a clear way.

hah I'm the dumbest person at AT, now that takes skill. How many members are there registered? :laugh:
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Praxis1452

hah I'm the dumbest person at AT

Maybe you should update your first post.....hmm maybe I should update my sig to add that quote.
 

Praxis1452

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Praxis1452

hah I'm the dumbest person at AT

Maybe you should update your first post.....hmm maybe I should update my sig to add that quote.

by all means. You'll be proven wrong on a daily basis. But the one thing I do dislike is how you won't quote me full. Context is everything. You already know that though.

You still contributed nothing to this thread but utter crap.

I was asking and trying to backup my sources. EvilRage came in calmly and explained it in a calm and articulate matter.

just remember your the one keeping this "viral marketing" thread alive. if you don't want to help bump it shut up.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
I don't think that the law makes a distinction about whether or not lottery "tickets" hold inherent value or not. (According to each state.)

Originally posted by: EvilRage
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.

However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.

Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.

Personally, this thread was pretty interesting to me, and it seems from a perusal that NV's "lottery" may well be illegal, precisely because they don't provide a means to enter without buying anything, and no mention of a contest of skill required.

Someone at NV is just totally boneheaded for coming up with this promotion, and not following through with the little "extras" that would make such a thing legal.

For example, most other giveaways of this type allow entry for free, and also mention that a contest of skill is required before awarding the prize. (Math problem, I guess?) That last item, I'm pretty sure, is just for the lawyers, so that they can get away with holding such a giveaway.
 

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


When I buy cards and what not they always have things like "Register this card to win _______". They aren't doing the lottery or anything illegal.

-Kevin
(Also, something completely aside the point, why the hell would you access the SLI Zone web page without and SLI system????)

[flames deleted]

they don't say buy ANOTHER product to win

AND ... if they say it is *Open* then it should be

that all

i just think someone at nvidia screwed up

send them an e-mail

where's the AEG moles? ... do your bosses a favour and let nvidia know it would 'look better' if they addressed this
 

Praxis1452

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.
I don't think that the law makes a distinction about whether or not lottery "tickets" hold inherent value or not. (According to each state.)

Originally posted by: EvilRage
The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.

However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.

Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.

Personally, this thread was pretty interesting to me, and it seems from a perusal that NV's "lottery" may well be illegal, precisely because they don't provide a means to enter without buying anything, and no mention of a contest of skill required.

Someone at NV is just totally boneheaded for coming up with this promotion, and not following through with the little "extras" that would make such a thing legal.

For example, most other giveaways of this type allow entry for free, and also mention that a contest of skill is required before awarding the prize. (Math problem, I guess?) That last item, I'm pretty sure, is just for the lawyers, so that they can get away with holding such a giveaway.
This giveaway as it seems is not even open in NY so maybe NY doesn't really differentiate? A few other states as well.


 

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
Lottery = purchase of tickets specifically for a chance to win a prize. The tickets themselves hold no value.

The difference here is that a video card/SLI mobo is not a ticket, because it has inherent value.

However, Nvidia should either remove the "No purchase necessary" disclaimer (since they are requiring a purchase) or include a way for people to enter the contest without requiring a purchase.

Think of it this way - The McDonalds/Best Buy Monopoly game was not a lottery. Buying a large fry or a large coke got you game pieces (tickets) but the food itself was what held the value you paid for (even though there was no nutritional value ) - you weren't buying the tickets themselves. The difference between the two was that for the Monopoly game, you could fill out a SASE to receive two free game pieces. Nvidia is not offering that chance. So the argument here should be shifting from whether or not Nvidia is holding an illegal lottery (they aren't) to whether or not Nvidia is required by law to allow anyone to enter the contest with an SASE. That is something I don't know the answer to.

This is the most coherent, relevant post in this thread. I was thinking about this exact same thing but could not formulate a sarcasm/flame free post to articulate it.

Thanks for this!

KT
 

Praxis1452

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hey guys update

nvidia has allowed people to enter by mail even if you don't own anything nvidia. seems like there was a valid complaint somewhere. Maybe it wasn't mine but someone found it wrong and nvidia was pushed to open it up.
 

Creig

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I'm glad to see they're finally honoring their "NO PURCHASE OR PAYMENT OF ANY KIND IS NECESSARY TO ENTER OR WIN THIS PROMOTION." statement.
 
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