Illegals getting more hositle in the demands for amnetsy

[OutHouse]

First, just stop posting. its clear you are high.

 

[WackyDan]

thousands of jobs they produce with their small businesses via legal work visas (which comprise half of now undocumented workers

Undocumented is undocumented=alien=illegal. If your work or travel visa expired and you stayed here you are here illegally.

If you are here on a valid work visa then you are not exactly an undocumented worker now are you? Read what you wrote again, not sure you meant it in that context.

 

[Veliko]

IMHO. Who are these asshats that break our laws, then demand that we change the laws they broke because they aren't happy with the.

Fuck them all, round them up, and pitch them. Who cares were at these points. This country doesn't need these welfare handout queens who demand 'equal' treatment after pissing on the laws of our country.

Don't like it here illegals, go back home.

So does that mean the Native Americans will be getting all their land back...?

 

[davmat787]

But, when land becomes too small...and resources running out - it's acceptable again - to conquer other nations?

Masters And Slaves....

Since you like to slam the USA (which is fine) with almost all of your posts, you surely wouldn't mind sharing the country you live in and/or are from?

Knowing this would help us all in adding perspective to your point of view. You seem to be a very bitter person who is still pissed the Cold War is over and the breaking up of the former USSR.

 

[davmat787]

So does that mean the Native Americans will be getting all their land back...?

Why would you think that? And what does the Native American issue have to do with todays immigration problem and discussion?

 

[Veliko]

Why would you think that? And what does the Native American issue have to do with todays immigration problem and discussion?

It's always amusing to see people in a nation that was founded on mass-immigration getting angsty and uppity about immigrants.

 

[davmat787]

It's always amusing to see people in a nation that was founded on mass-immigration getting angsty and uppity about immigrants.

My problem is with illegal immigration, not LEGAL IMMIGRATION. There is a huge difference between the two. Actually I do have a problem with legal immigration: the process is too slow.

I want our immigrant population to be comprised of diverse, skilled, and known peoples. Not whoever can payoff a coyote or make it through the 7 to 10 day trek through the Senora desert.

I have the impression you are not from the US. Is that correct? If so, does your country allow millions of illegal immigrants in? You seem like those who favor a more secure border and improved immigration process as being hypocritical and xenophobic, which is wrong since as I stated above I want the process streamlined and more diverse.

<---- first generation of a LEGAL immigrant.

 

[Veliko]

That's great, but you're not the OP who I was responding to.

 

[michal1980]

That's great, but you're not the OP who I was responding to.

I ignore obvious strawmen.

 

[Veliko]

That's great, but you're not the poster who I was responding to.

 

[dank69]

My problem is with illegal immigration, not LEGAL IMMIGRATION. There is a huge difference between the two. Actually I do have a problem with legal immigration: the process is too slow.

I want our immigrant population to be comprised of diverse, skilled, and known peoples. Not whoever can payoff a coyote or make it through the 7 to 10 day trek through the Senora desert.

I have the impression you are not from the US. Is that correct? If so, does your country allow millions of illegal immigrants in? You seem like those who favor a more secure border and improved immigration process as being hypocritical and xenophobic, which is wrong since as I stated above I want the process streamlined and more diverse.

<---- first generation of a LEGAL immigrant.

I wasn't aware that the genocide of indigenous people is now classified as legal immigration. The good news is that means we can take Canada as our own when we are ready.

 

[lozina]

It's always amusing to see people in a nation that was founded on mass-immigration getting angsty and uppity about immigrants.

Does not explain how you came up with a correlation between Immigration and Native Americans...

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

My problem is with illegal immigration, not LEGAL IMMIGRATION. There is a huge difference between the two. Actually I do have a problem with legal immigration: the process is too slow.

I want our immigrant population to be comprised of diverse, skilled, and known peoples. Not whoever can payoff a coyote or make it through the 7 to 10 day trek through the Senora desert.

I have the impression you are not from the US. Is that correct? If so, does your country allow millions of illegal immigrants in? You seem like those who favor a more secure border and improved immigration process as being hypocritical and xenophobic, which is wrong since as I stated above I want the process streamlined and more diverse.

<---- first generation of a LEGAL immigrant.

Is it the drug users or the drug growers who are the bigger problem?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Is it the drug users or the drug growers who are the bigger problem?

One does not exist without the other; they are joined at the hip

 

[poofyhairguy]

Is it the drug users or the drug growers who are the bigger problem?

The drug users obviously, but that is not the question.

The questions who is easier to stop. In your analogy that is the drug dealers.

We will NEVER end the desire for cheap domestic labor. Someone needs to pick fruit, plant lumber, work in meat plants, build houses, etc.

What we can impede the flow of that labor by building huge fences. Not stop it, but slow it.

 

[First]

I'm pointing out your silly use of semantics trying to argue that illegal immigrants shouldn't be referred to as "illegals". By the same token, the government shouldn't refer to foreigners as "aliens".

Nah, that's just more word fail. "Illegals!" has a clear negative connotation among most everyone that uses it. Just like the knuckledraggers that use the term anchor baby. Alien might be mildly offending depending on how its used too, but you brought that up not me.

so because one half of the illegal population originally came here legally, means we should ignore the other half that came here completely illegally?

I never said such a thing, so no it doesn't mean we should ignore them. Try rereading what I said carefully.

where did i say i was opposed to immigration?

lol, dude, you're quoting posts of my mine that aren't even responses to your posts.

i'm opposed to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. america's melting pot culture is one of its greatest strengths. but you can't just let everyone in because they have a sob story. there is a process. there is law. and it needs to be followed. period.

Law needs to be followed as much as practically possible, and fact is the CBO projects even with 700 miles of border fence and doubling border agents that millions more will still get through, and practically there's no way to deport them. Hence the cycle of continually legalizing them, which is far better than sticking with the broken alternative of doing nothing, a typical refrain of the knuckledragger voter/caucus.

sure, they work for small businesses, that's great. but if they didn't work for a small business, chances are someone else would at a higher wage, which in turn could mean more disposable income, which results in the same tax revenues being generated.

Cool just link to that study kiddo.

also, GDP is not the end-all-be-all. it's A method of measuring economic output, and not necessarily a good one. how it's distributed is just as, if not more important than the absolute number.

And by almost any measure, even the worse case (honest) measures, legalizing immigrants would have a neutral impact on the economy (which is absurd because it would clearly be positive, but I'll grant you some leeway). Making the opposition to immigrants very, very clear; cultural and ethnic, the sense of "otherness".

 

[First]

Undocumented is undocumented=alien=illegal. If your work or travel visa expired and you stayed here you are here illegally.

If you are here on a valid work visa then you are not exactly an undocumented worker now are you? Read what you wrote again, not sure you meant it in that context.

I'm well aware, reread the post; which comprise half of now undocumented workers. Since it's a fact new undocumented workers are created everyday as their visas expire, my sentence should hopefully now be clear.

 

[BUnit1701]

You're slow. "Illegals" is a term used by knuckledraggers (aka, erm, you) to apply to people who border across illegally...except the reality is that about half the 11M "illegals" in the country currently came to the country legally with a work visa that eventually expired. Part of my point rests with this reality; that illegal border-crossers can't be lumped in with immigrants who let their work visas expires. It paints with too broad a brush and puts your xenophobic "Illegals!" terminology (that the RNC itself said made them look xenophobic) in the proper context. That context being what everybody who meets you in person thinks of you when they hear you spew "Illegals!" rhetoric; oh, it's crazy uncle Leo.

I'm well aware, reread the post; which comprise half of now undocumented workers. Since it's a fact new undocumented workers are created everyday as their visas expire, my sentence should hopefully now be clear.

LMAO, so you don't believe there are procedures to be followed when the visa lapses? You believe that the granting of a work visa means that person is entitled to citizenship automatically? The term 'illegal' doesn't paint with too broad a brush. If you don't go home when your visa expires, guess what? You are here ILLEGALLY.

 

[nehalem256]

Nah, that's just more word fail. "Illegals!" has a clear negative connotation among most everyone that uses it. Just like the knuckledraggers that use the term anchor baby. Alien might be mildly offending depending on how its used too, but you brought that up not me.

There should be a clear negative connotation for law breakers.

Maybe we should start referring to shoplifters as undocumented customers?:hmm:

 

[davmat787]

Nah, that's just more word fail. "Illegals!" has a clear negative connotation among most everyone that uses it. Just like the knuckledraggers that use the term anchor baby. Alien might be mildly offending depending on how its used too, but you brought that up not me.

Seriously, these semantics games serve no purpose other than diversion in trying to have a meaningful conversation on this topic.

First: If you entered Mexico illegally and with the purpose of staying there to live and was busted 12 months later, are you really saying you are gonna be butthurt over being called an "illegal alien"?

Why yes, with 11+ million illegal imm... I mean undocumented persons in the USA, lets worry about which words are going to hurt some feelings. Great strategery.

If enough people are caught up with semantics and the Native American issue of 300+ years ago, nothing will be done to improve the immigration policy as a whole. Good job!

And guess what? Illegal alien is a legal term and definition. Don't like it? Work on changing the law rather than worrying about it on an internet forum.

Isn't anyone in favor of a sustainable immigration policy that supports a diverse pool of immigrants?

 

[First]

LMAO, so you don't believe there are procedures to be followed when the visa lapses?

No I believe in procedure. Next tarded question.

You believe that the granting of a work visa means that person is entitled to citizenship automatically?

Nope.

The term 'illegal' doesn't paint with too broad a brush.

Yes it does.

If you don't go home when your visa expires, guess what? You are here ILLEGALLY.

lol, no shit. Read what I wrote. Carefully.

 

[First]

First: If you entered Mexico illegally and with the purpose of staying there to live and was busted 12 months later, are you really saying you are gonna be butthurt over being called an "illegal alien"?

The conversation isn't about entering Mexico, nor does the United States strive for the standards of Mexican law. The conversation isn't also about what I feel, it's about what most Hispanic Americans feel when they or their friends and family are derided as "Illegals!" or anchor babies, and that somehow this makes them less legitimate and/or less American. It's pretty much as simple as that. And like I said, the RNC agrees with me.

Why yes, with 11+ million illegal imm... I mean undocumented persons in the USA, lets worry about which words are going to hurt some feelings. Great strategery.

By that same token let's just call all blacks n*****s, because hey, it's just hurt feelings.

Isn't anyone in favor of a sustainable immigration policy that supports a diverse pool of immigrants?

Gee, no derp.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's always amusing to see people in a nation that was founded on mass-immigration getting angsty and uppity about immigrants.

Key word, founded. We're not being founded anymore.

 

[davmat787]

I wouldn't be proud that the RNC agrees with you. And you still didn't answer my question, just went straight to the N* word race card. That seems to be a common tactic with this issue. Don't agree? You must be racist or I will at least infer it by making stupid comparisons to African Americans!

But I am glad to see you support a sustainable immigration policy that supports a diverse pool of immigrants. Worrying about words like illegal alien won't lead to one however. The issue is so much bigger than that, and I think you know that but are worried about losing your certified 100% progressive card.

 

[nehalem256]

The conversation isn't about entering Mexico, nor does the United States strive for the standards of Mexican law. The conversation isn't also about what I feel, it's about what most Hispanic Americans feel when they or their friends and family are derided as "Illegals!" or anchor babies, and that somehow this makes them less legitimate and/or less American. It's pretty much as simple as that. And like I said, the RNC agrees with me.

They are less American. And in fact illegals are no more Americans than I am a Mexican just because I ate at Taco Bell.

If your family/friends are a bunch of criminals maybe you should feel bad?

By that same token let's just call all blacks n*****s, because hey, it's just hurt feelings.

Are black people criminals like illegal immigrants are?

Are you seriously comparing deriding people who commit crimes with deriding people who have a certain skin color?