Illigal Immigration Dropped By 40% - Real or Fake?

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zinfamous

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Or, I don't view the world through democrat-glasses and don't think the sky is falling and Trump is Hitler and other such drivel. If people want to believe such nonsense, that's fine. If that nonsensical belief keeps illegals out, even better.

Now if only we could get all those celebs who said they'd go to Canada or some other country if Trump won to actually honor their word, we'd be rid of a whole lot of trash!

I don't think Trump is Hitler. I think he is Mussolini. This much is plainly obvious. These are complex differences that are, perhaps, too complicated for your brain.

Yes, be sure to deflect all of the blame onto celebrities that have caused you some immeasurable butthurt for some undisclosed reason. That will fix everything.
 
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zinfamous

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Illegal immigration is a lagging indicator tied to the job market overall. That's why the number of illegal immigrants dropped in 2009, 2010, 2011. The job market right now is not tanking as it was then, a 40% decrease in just a couple of months, if true, would be a staggering change.

Or, it could be the canary in the mine shaft ahead of Trump's anti-trade, anti-growth, anti-labor, pro-welfare-for-obsolete jobs policies. Buckle up, everybody!
 

zinfamous

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Anyone ever read 1984? It's a darn good book, but it's a while ago since I read it.

Anyway, in "1984", the regime uses a tactic where they frequently inform the citizens about glorious advances in whatever battles on whatever fronts. Like, people watch on the news that the forces now finally took region X or Y back, followed by glorious applause because it was such an achievement. Of course, in the book, these news were all made-up, propaganda for their own people. But this is not the point I want to make.

The point is that nothing in the lives of the people changed, despite constantly exposed to these oh-so-glorious news. These news were entirely meaningless. The people still lived shitty lives, they still lived in shitty homes, they were still monitored, no free speech etc.

And I see a parallel there, since, EVEN IF WE ASSUME THIS IS REAL (which I sure don't since I wouldn't trust a single word from this administration), even if we assume it's real it's entirely meaningless unless the reduction of illegal immigration has an actual benefit on people's lives. Did less illegals REALLY reduce crime in your area? Did it create more jobs? Did it help you make more money, live better, get healthier, whatever? You get the idea. Until then, you can print these news on paper and wipe your ass with them, because they're not worth more.

Well CNN is reporting it. CNN is fake news, so you are probably right.
 

sdifox

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No question America is despised in the middle east. A few (IMO) legitimate reasons exist for that.

I'm not sure about being the most hated the world over though.

There are still an exorbitant amount of people voluntarily migrating to America.


Well, the people of South America and Central America doesn't like gringos much either.

May have something to do with the frequent military incursions and attempts to takeover a sovereign nation.
 
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Mai72

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I taught in South Korea for 2 years. Their education system is not all that. For many, it's hell. 7 days a week. 12 hour days. Sometimes even more. It's nothing but academics. My children were so miserable. Which leads me to the high suicide rate in Asia. Korea, Taiwan, China and Japan might be at the front in regards to education but they are severely lacking in regard to mental health. Korea's suicide rate among young adults is the 2nd highest in the world. Students were jumping out of 3rd and 4th story windows because they did poorly on their test.

The education system in America does suck. It needs to be revamped. But, how do you do that without going overboard? It's up to the parents. We need to teach our kids that education doesn't need to be a boring and painful process. Hard to do today. Especially when educators are battling against smartphones, tablets and video games.
 

1sikbITCH

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That could mean two things. Either there's really a 40% drop in illegal immigration, which would be fantastic, or there's just a 40% reduction in apprehensions because the enforcement agencies are doing less. The former is more likely. If so, great job Trump, fantastic results, especially in such a short amount of time --- despite all the efforts by the sanctuary cities and other scumbags to undermine the work.

The illegal immigrants are still coming, they just changed their routes and Trump is stumped. This is just more lies.
 

flexy

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Well CNN is reporting it. CNN is fake news, so you are probably right.

CNN is "fake news" (a term originally meant almost exclusively for the carefully crafted lies from the Trump camp during his campaign, lol)...together with MSNBC, CBS, whatever....but *only* since Trump started to use the word. You guys don't realize how manipulated you are, don't you? (I mean why do I even ask....)

That being said it doesn't matter who is "reporting it". It's still worthless information, the "reduction" per se is not the purported goal of course. (In the same way as treatment is not the goal when you're sick, getting healthy is)
 
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zinfamous

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CNN is "fake news" (a term originally meant almost exclusively for the carefully crafted lies from the Trump camp during his campaign, lol)...together with MSNBC, CBS, whatever....but *only* since Trump started to use the word. You guys don't realize how manipulated you are, don't you? (I mean why do I even ask....)

That being said it doesn't matter who is "reporting it". It's still worthless information, the "reduction" per se is not the purported goal of course. (In the same way as treatment is not the goal when you're sick, getting healthy is)

well, dang.
 

PokerGuy

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That being said it doesn't matter who is "reporting it". It's still worthless information, the "reduction" per se is not the purported goal of course. (In the same way as treatment is not the goal when you're sick, getting healthy is)

The treatment is enforcement of the laws, reduction in the amount of illegal immigration is an indicator that the treatment is working. Why would reduction not be a goal in itself?
 

boomerang

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I don't trust the numbers out of this administration any more that I trusted 0bama's numbers.

I don't trust what the government tells us, period. It's a team sport and every team likes to paint themselves as winners.
 

glenn1

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It seems reasonable. Its common when negative policies are enacted towards a population, there will be a pretty immediate impact on that populations desire to immigrate to that country. Usually these impacts are temporary, as the shock of the new policies typically isn't sustainable. We'll have to wait and see what the long term consequences are.

I really don't care if it reduces illegal immigration whereas a drop in authorized immigration via legal channels is a concern. As always this situation is more evidence on the pile of existing evidence that our legal immigration quotas are way, way too low and should be raised to take away the pressure for illegal immigration. Right now our policy is like a speed trap in some podunk town where the limit is 25MPH on a divided highway where it should be 50, and then we all go around scratching our heads about "why are there so many people driving illegally here" when really it's a function of the law not reflecting reality. When laws don't reflect the needs and expectations of the people they're widely ignored like they are here. Millions of illegal immigrants in this country means we should probably at least double or triple our legal immigration quotas and then the "illegal immigration" problem will largely solve itself.
 

K1052

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When laws don't reflect the needs and expectations of the people they're widely ignored like they are here. Millions of illegal immigrants in this country means we should probably at least double or triple our legal immigration quotas and then the "illegal immigration" problem will largely solve itself.

Thus far it looks like the administration wants to also significantly curtail legal immigration. From demographic and economic perspectives this is likely a real bad idea with declining US native birth rates. Ending up like Japan with an increasingly disproportionately old population and declining overall population leads to a myriad of intractable problems.
 

sdifox

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Thus far it looks like the administration wants to also significantly curtail legal immigration. From demographic and economic perspectives this is likely a real bad idea with declining US native birth rates. Ending up like Japan with an increasingly disproportionately old population and declining overall population leads to a myriad of intractable problems.


Even maintaining current immigration targets is not enough. Them boomers are grtting up there in age and need tons of social services.
 

kage69

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Not sure what to believe regarding immigrants, but I definitely believe the tourism hit. Seems like almost everyone I know overseas has scrapped plans to visit the States this summer. All white, non-Muslim Europeans too, none of this ban shit applies to them.
 

Double Trouble

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I really don't care if it reduces illegal immigration whereas a drop in authorized immigration via legal channels is a concern. As always this situation is more evidence on the pile of existing evidence that our legal immigration quotas are way, way too low and should be raised to take away the pressure for illegal immigration. Right now our policy is like a speed trap in some podunk town where the limit is 25MPH on a divided highway where it should be 50, and then we all go around scratching our heads about "why are there so many people driving illegally here" when really it's a function of the law not reflecting reality. When laws don't reflect the needs and expectations of the people they're widely ignored like they are here. Millions of illegal immigrants in this country means we should probably at least double or triple our legal immigration quotas and then the "illegal immigration" problem will largely solve itself.

I disagree. The problem with illegal immigration won't solve itself no matter what immigration policy we put in place. As long as you have horribly poor desperate people living in many countries to the south of us, they will keep trying to come here for a better life. We have to prevent that from happening so we can control who (and how many) we want here.

As long as there are millions of illegal aliens able to come here, there's no pressure to fix the immigration quotas. So first we stop the flow, then we deal with the ones already here (path to citizenship), then you figure out what your immigration quotas need to be.
 

sdifox

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Jhhnn

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I disagree. The problem with illegal immigration won't solve itself no matter what immigration policy we put in place. As long as you have horribly poor desperate people living in many countries to the south of us, they will keep trying to come here for a better life. We have to prevent that from happening so we can control who (and how many) we want here.

As long as there are millions of illegal aliens able to come here, there's no pressure to fix the immigration quotas. So first we stop the flow, then we deal with the ones already here (path to citizenship), then you figure out what your immigration quotas need to be.

There will always be some flow back & forth. Claims to the contrary are unrealistic. Given the reduced & fairly stable number of illegals in this country it seems clear that current efforts are successful even if past efforts were not. The fact that there will always be room for improvement shouldn't be used as an excuse to avoid dealing constructively with the illegals who've been productive residents & bread winners for American citizen children. ~2/3 of all illegals have been here over 10 years. Their presence obviously isn't some sort of catastrophe demanding their expulsion no matter what the xenophobes would have us believe.
 

K1052

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Even maintaining current immigration targets is not enough. Them boomers are grtting up there in age and need tons of social services.

I don't disagree but politically increasing legal immigration will be a tough sell in the atmosphere of nativism that certain people have been whipping up.
 

sdifox

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I don't disagree but politically increasing legal immigration will be a tough sell in the atmosphere of nativism that certain people have been whipping up.


Or they can have more kids...
 

zinfamous

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Not sure what to believe regarding immigrants, but I definitely believe the tourism hit. Seems like almost everyone I know overseas has scrapped plans to visit the States this summer. All white, non-Muslim Europeans too, none of this ban shit applies to them.

Visiting the US these days for vacation is analogous to paying for a haunted house experience: there is value in the entertainment proposal, but it clearly applies to a certain type of person with a certain thirst for temporary unpleasantness or even terror to mix up their normal lives. It's certainly a smaller-than-normal market.
 

DrunkenSano

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Looks like we may be moving in the right direction in terms of illegal entries from the south, at least according to BBC news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39505999

The number of people arrested crossing the Mexico border into the US has fallen to the lowest level in 17 years.

There were fewer than 17,000 arrests of undocumented migrants in March, the least since 2000, according to US Customs and Border Protection.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly told Congress the decline was "no accident", crediting President Trump.

The US government began accepting bids on Tuesday from contractors to build a prototype for a border wall.

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Image caption Sec Kelly, before beginning his testimony
Mr Kelly, a retired Marine general, is testifying about the figures to the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

"We've seen an absolutely amazing drop in the number of migrants coming out of Central America that are taking that terribly dangerous route from Central America to the United States," he told the panel.

"March marks the fifth straight month of decline and is estimated to be approximately 71% lower than the December 2016 total - 58,478," Mr Kelly said.

"But while this recent decline in illegal migration is good news, we must ensure that the security of our southern border remains a priority to protect the nation from terrorists and other criminals."

In February, 23,589 immigrants were apprehended at the border, according to data by US Customs and Border Protection.

Image copyright Getty Images
Image caption US Border Patrol make an arrest near Rio Grande City, Texas in 2015
Senator John McCain asked if Mr Kelly's agency was receiving help from Mexican officials.

Mr Kelly said the US was receiving "a huge amount of co-operation from the Mexicans".

He cited "very, very good relationships with the Mexicans, both on their southern border where they stopped 160,000 illegal immigrants from Central America last year".

Mr Trump, a former real estate mogul, has pledged to build a "big, beautiful wall" along the 2,000 mile (3,200km) border.

More on Trump and the border wall


Media caption'Build that wall' says border resident
But Mr Kelly told the Senate committee: "It is unlikely that we will build a physical wall from sea to shining sea."

He added that sensors, drones and other technology will fill in gaps where the wall will not be present, saying "physical barriers do work if they're put in the right places".

The homeland security secretary also told lawmakers the number of families and children travelling alone had fallen, too.

He has suggested separating parents and children in order to deter crossings by unaccompanied minors.

Officials normally see a surge in crossings following the cold month of January, however, no such increase has been recorded this year.

The number of people caught trying to enter the US usually goes up as the weather warms.

So some good is coming out of the craziness of our President, at least. His rhetoric and decisions are deterring illegals from coming into our country from Mexico. It also looks like our relationship with our southern neighbor is improving, they are now cooperating to stop illegals from entering between the US-Mexico border but also Mexico's southern border, which I believe was also one of the main reasons why we had such high numbers of illegals coming in.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Looks like we may be moving in the right direction in terms of illegal entries from the south, at least according to BBC news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39505999



So some good is coming out of the craziness of our President, at least. His rhetoric and decisions are deterring illegals from coming into our country from Mexico. It also looks like our relationship with our southern neighbor is improving, they are now cooperating to stop illegals from entering between the US-Mexico border but also Mexico's southern border, which I believe was also one of the main reasons why we had such high numbers of illegals coming in.
Every reaction has a reaction. Don't be surprised if we hear an uptick in violence/humanitarian crises from central/south america in the next 5-10.

Note: I'm not condoning Trump's policies or advocating against them, just noting that there's no free lunch.
 
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