I'm a broken record, but September 2015 is the warmest in history

[momeNt]

Isn't there a way to nudge the earth a little bit farther from the sun?

My guess is that between man made emissions and 4.6 billion years not being enough time for the climate to stabilize, that if we were able to manipulate the orbit we could actually stabilize it ourselves.

 

[shira]

A complex system like the climate will oscillate between stable states. Trying to maintain a stasis is truly crazy in my opinion.

Also, if no specie ever goes extinct, then we have decided that evolution should be retired and Humans now are the arbiters which organism lives or dies.

We have reached perfection and let no man oppose.

You seem to be equating natural variations in climate - which tend to occur over long time periods - with the variation being caused by human activity, which is occurring over an extremely short time period.

Why would you make a false comparison like that and then assume that any conclusions you draw would have any validity whatsoever? And why would you make a wild extrapolation from the fact some species are always going extinct to the conclusion that mass extinctions caused by very rapid climate change are no problem?

Garbage in; garbage out.

 

[JSt0rm]

people dont care. Tundra methane is gonna be leaking soon (2070) most people who could do something about this will be dead in 2070 so they dont care.

 

[boomerang]

I feel totally calm. Or didn't you know that lizard-brained conservatives are the ones who live in constant fear?

So what is it that you hope to accomplish with this thread? Yet another in your series of "broken record" threads.

I don't believe you when you say you are calm. I'm totally confident that you are sick with anxiety over not being able to control the climate of our planet to the degree that will make you feel in control.

 

[Paratus]

So what is it that you hope to accomplish with this thread? Yet another in your series of "broken record" threads.

I don't believe you when you say you are calm. I'm totally confident that you are sick with anxiety over not being able to control the climate of our planet to the degree that will make you feel in control.

He's hoping folks will eventually man up, accept the reality that's it's a problem that needs to be fixed.

Instead of acting like 8 year olds who have been told to clean their rooms.

 

[shira]

So what is it that you hope to accomplish with this thread? Yet another in your series of "broken record" threads.

I don't believe you when you say you are calm. I'm totally confident that you are sick with anxiety over not being able to control the climate of our planet to the degree that will make you feel in control.

Little steps, man. Little steps.

And I see how the steps are mounting up. Yes, the deniers are still into denying, but now they're strategy is shifting. More and more it's "It's too expensive to do anything about it" and less of "It's all completely bullshit."

No, I'm not claiming that the "It's all completely bullshit" crowd has dispersed. It's just that there's less and less of it. The scientific evidence is just too overwhelming, and it's slowly, slowly sinking in that this human-induced effect is real and getting worse.

The battle may be irrelevant, though. Maybe in another 30 years, fossil-fuel alternatives will become so cheap and wonderful that CO2 emissions will just naturally become an afterthought.

We can only hope.

 

[CZroe]

Edit: Unsurprisingly, climate-denial-central (aka WattsUpWithThat.com) continues its valiant fight to understate what's happening with the Earth's temperature, and informs us that

I'm confused. If it's the fifth warmest since the satellite record began, how can it be the warmest since 1880? There are at least four warmer months in the last 50 years (a much shorter time period).

 

[Paratus]

I'm confused. If it's the fifth warmest since the satellite record began, how can it be the warmest since 1880? There are at least four warmer months in the last 50 years (a much shorter time period).

Because the so called "skeptics" want you to think that one calculated channel from satellite data that measures a portion of the lower troposphere is actually the term "global" in global warming.

Instead it measures a small portion of the atmosphere. When you include the rest of the globe it's the hottest September on record.

 

[Paratus]

A new study published in Nature predicts a global economic downturn by 2100 due to climate change.

http://time.com/4082328/climate-change-economic-impact/

Temperature change will leave the average income around the world 23% lower in 2100 than it would be without climate change

The good news is that will be mostly third world impacts, rich colder countries may see a small increase in wealth. So you know we got that going for us. :whiste:

 

[shira]

I'm confused. If it's the fifth warmest since the satellite record began, how can it be the warmest since 1880? There are at least four warmer months in the last 50 years (a much shorter time period).

It's the fifth-warmest month according to WUWT. But not according to NOAA. And not according to the Japanese Meteorological Agency, who did their own number crunching and concluded - like NOAA - that September 2015 was #1.

You see, it's a GLOBAL conspiracy.

Only WUWT has access to the "real" data, from the unimpeachable University of Alabama. WUWT can ALWAYS find a way to counter the conspiracy. That's why WUWT is climate-denial central.

 

[Moonbeam]

I myself am not so sure. My container blueberry bush almost died when I took it in last winter. And although it survived, the lack of a sufficient chilling period resulted in no berries this year. Considering that fruit is the strategy many plants use to reproduce, it doesn't take much of an imagination to project a pretty big die-off of plant species if the climate gets warm enough.

We are talking about people asking for "Bermuda shorts in Buffalo in January" weather, remember. That's a 50 degree increase. I doubt the last ice age reduced average temperatures by anything close to that much.

Edit: I wanted to check my guess, and a fast Google found this:



12 degrees. And you're "confident" that 50 would be no problem.

I had tons of berries on my blueberry bushes. I feed them coffee grounds. It's also been hotter than I can ever remember. They like acid soil. It also may be time to repot.

Isn't it interesting that the knowledge that we face world disaster doesn't scare Liberals but the thought of spending a nickel to solve the problem sends conservatives screaming out into the night. It's a brain defect unrelated to the fact they are lizards.

 

[flexy]

Isn't it interesting that the knowledge that we face world disaster doesn't scare Liberals but the thought of spending a nickel to solve the problem sends conservatives screaming out into the night. It's a brain defect unrelated to the fact they are lizards.

For conservatives it's ALWAYS about the thought of spending (or losing) a nickel, no matter what topic.

 

[Spungo]

I for one welcomed the warm month of Sept and the warm month of October in MN. Hard to believe we are 1 week from November and still growing in our garden.

We're doing nice up in Washington as well. It's beautiful outside.

people dont care. Tundra methane is gonna be leaking soon (2070) most people who could do something about this will be dead in 2070 so they dont care.

Soon? It's already leaking. Permafrost covers a lot of organic matter. In an oxidizing environment, bacteria add oxygen to things, so carbon turns into CO2, sulfur turns into SO2, nitrogen turns into NO2 (and all of these create acids when mixed with water).
In a reducing environment, bacteria add hydrogen to things, so carbon turns into CH4, sulfur turns into H2S, nitrogen turns into NH3. Bacteria have been working on this project for thousands of years, so there's a fuck load of methane everywhere under the ice. It's inside the ice, it's in air pockets under the ice, it's dissolved in water under the ice, it's in conventional natural gas wells, it's in the dirt, it's in sand. It's everywhere. Any time permafrost melts, methane is being released. This means a lot of it is being released right now.

I guess that means job security. We'll need to upgrade a lot of infrastructure to deal with changing climates.

 

[Double Trouble]

A new study published in Nature predicts a global economic downturn by 2100 due to climate change.

http://time.com/4082328/climate-change-economic-impact/


The good news is that will be mostly third world impacts, rich colder countries may see a small increase in wealth. So you know we got that going for us. :whiste:

We can't accurately predict what's going to happen a week from now, and someone thinks some prediction of what's going to happen 85 years from now is worth paying attention to? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

You global warming nuts are getting crazier by the day.

 

[Spungo]

We can't accurately predict what's going to happen a week from now, and someone thinks some prediction of what's going to happen 85 years from now is worth paying attention to? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

By saying this, we can tell you're a terrible investor :biggrin:

 

[TheVrolok]

The good news is that will be mostly third world impacts, rich colder countries may see a small increase in wealth. So you know we got that going for us. :whiste:

I think this is what the "debate" boils down to. "Well, I'll be dead long before any of this matters for me, so fuck the third world." As an upper class white male, I don't worry about climate change having any significant impact on MY life. Some things may get slightly more expensive, but that's about it. For the third world, though, who will feel food/water shortages first and harder? I suspect it won't be so pleasant.

 

[Paratus]

We can't accurately predict what's going to happen a week from now, and someone thinks some prediction of what's going to happen 85 years from now is worth paying attention to? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

You global warming nuts are getting crazier by the day.

Maybe YOU can't predict crap more than a week into the future but most of us engineers design shit to last for years, decades, or even centuries depending on what it is.

Scientists in the other hand can predict stuff 1000's, millions or even billions of years into the future depending on the topic of course.

But don't worry, much like mommy and daddy telling you to pick up your toys so you don't trip and knock your teeth out the adults take care of this.

 

[Genx87]

I myself am not so sure. My container blueberry bush almost died when I took it in last winter. And although it survived, the lack of a sufficient chilling period resulted in no berries this year. Considering that fruit is the strategy many plants use to reproduce, it doesn't take much of an imagination to project a pretty big die-off of plant species if the climate gets warm enough.

We are talking about people asking for "Bermuda shorts in Buffalo in January" weather, remember. That's a 50 degree increase. I doubt the last ice age reduced average temperatures by anything close to that much.

Edit: I wanted to check my guess, and a fast Google found this:



12 degrees. And you're "confident" that 50 would be no problem.

Where did I say a 50 degree change would be no problem?

 

[PokerGuy]

Warmest in history you say? So at no point in 4.8 billion years was there a warmer month on earth? Sure thing.

Anyway, so what? Until someone proposes an actual workable solution to the supposed problem, it's all just political agenda bs and meaningless drivel. I'm sure there's some group that will love to take your money and promise to fix the problem in return

Sucker born every minute I guess.

 

[CZroe]

Warmest in history you say? So at no point in 4.8 billion years was there a warmer month on earth? Sure thing.

"[recorded/observed] history"

 

[CZroe]

Because the so called "skeptics" want you to think that one calculated channel from satellite data that measures a portion of the lower troposphere is actually the term "global" in global warming.



Instead it measures a small portion of the atmosphere. When you include the rest of the globe it's the hottest September on record.

I'm not really defending their data/conclusion, but that doesn't mean I'm on board with the logic you are using to dismiss it here. What part of the globe is "the lower troposphere" localized to such that it can't be considered "global?" Surface temps were never the full story.

 

[Greenman]

A new study published in Nature predicts a global economic downturn by 2100 due to climate change.

http://time.com/4082328/climate-change-economic-impact/


The good news is that will be mostly third world impacts, rich colder countries may see a small increase in wealth. So you know we got that going for us. :whiste:

Yeah, I'm totally confidant about an economic prediction 85 years away. I'm not worried though, if it gets really bad I'll sell my condo on Mars.

 

[1prophet]

For conservatives it's ALWAYS about the thought of spending (or losing) a nickel, no matter what topic.

You don't know to many affluent liberals, they can be just as stingy if not more so than conservatives when they have to spend their own money.

 

[MongGrel]

Then those 200+ mph hurricanes start showing up...

 

[shira]

I had tons of berries on my blueberry bushes. I feed them coffee grounds. It's also been hotter than I can ever remember. They like acid soil. It also may be time to repot.

Isn't it interesting that the knowledge that we face world disaster doesn't scare Liberals but the thought of spending a nickel to solve the problem sends conservatives screaming out into the night. It's a brain defect unrelated to the fact they are lizards.

So you have blueberry bushes. And you drink coffee, which you brew yourself.

Life details Not so hard.

Do you buy whole beans? Green or already roasted? Grind it yourself? What is your preferred method of brewing? Do you drink it black?

I myself drink Xihu Longjing tea (also called Dragonwell tea), considered #1 most famous of the 10 famous teas from China. Of course, there is a huge range of quality for Xihu Longjing, and a huge range of price (all the way up to $10,000 a kilogram).