I'm a payment snob

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ichy

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many stores, especially non-chains, seem to have minimum purchase amounts.

I feel like a jackass pulling out a credit card to pay for a $2 cup of coffee or a $1.50 slice of pizza.

Ah, that's why I order dollar coins from the US Mint with my rewards credit card. I get rewards for small items that I pay for in cash
 

slag

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That is incorrect, if run as a credit transaction (that is, NOT using the PIN) it has the same protections that a visa credit card has. The only difference is potentially the time until funds are replaced, that varies by the issuing bank (my credit union says within 24 hours). And the process of getting money back is essentially the same.

EDIT: From Visa website: "Visa’s cardholder protection policy requires all financial institutions issuing Visa products to extend provisional credit for losses from unauthorized card use within 5 business days of notification of the loss."


I still don't understand why so many people think debit cards have so much less security. Its been at least a decade or two since VISA has given debit cards the some protections are credit cards.

Using a debit card with a PIN is equivalent to using a check, so there the fraud protection of running it as a credit does not happen then. However you are still never liable for when someone steals money from your bank account, its just more of a hassle to get that figured out. So the solution to that is don't let anyone know your PIN.


I do however look down on people that use checks for payment (unless of course the amount is really high, like >$2000, in which case lots of cards have transaction limits that wouldn't allow that). Because a debit card works just the same as a check, every bank will give them to you free (or if they don't its a crummy bank), and its so much faster and easier. Nothing like waiting in line behind a person who's taking forever to write out a check for $14.23

My babysitter doesnt take anything but checks. Sorry you feel so superior compared to me.
 

darkewaffle

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I look down on plebs who don't have so much cheddar that they have to care about a percent.

Ball with me.
 

kami333

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interesting question, i looked it up. it's a tenuous position that hasnt been directly clarified by the IRS. some CC (penfed gas card) uses the term rebate in the terms and conditions. and the wording of others say cash back, implying rebate as well. rebates from what i've read are considered price reductions and not subject to taxation. the irs had made a ruling that frequent flier miles were not taxable when redeemed and also posted a letter response to the donation of card rewards
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/0228001.pdf
seems to say that you get the benefit of both worlds. choose to donate to charity and you may get to deduct the amount. the generation of reward is also not considered for gross income.

all and all, it's not totally clear but i'd say you have a significant chance of defending oneself if asked by the irs whether your card reward is considered income. i'd be more worried about the claiming of sales tax for out of state internet purchases being levied, though they'll probably just make the companies charge tax to make things easier than forcing the tax filers to provide proof.

I think he was talking about Nick's under the table income from repairing computers, not the rewards cashback (which is not taxable).
 

kami333

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Cashier at Costco this weekend was leery about taking my check since it was from out of state, she had to ask her manager first (I've been using them at that Costco without problems for the last year).

I can see why they were leery since the checks are about 4years old (and show their age) and have coffee stains. The name on my Costco account (middle name) is different from the name on my checks (first name plus middle initial). Also I've moved twice since the address on the checks, the phone number is out of date as well and the state they're from is 2000miles away. On top of that, they're from my WaMu (now converted to Chase) checking account. Plus the check numbers are still below 100. I only write about 2 checks per month (rent and Costco), at the rate I'm going I'm going to be using these check until 2017 (still have over 150 more blank ones).
 
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krunchykrome

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Cashed out my annual Costco AMEX rebate check last week for almost $800.

I never use my debit card, and very rarely use cash.
 

blinblue

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My babysitter doesnt take anything but checks. Sorry you feel so superior compared to me.

I thought it was pretty clear I was taking about transactions in a store where a debit/credit card is an option. Of course checks for personal payments is a fine way to do things.



Cashier at Costco this weekend was leery about taking my check since it was from out of state, she had to ask her manager first (I've been using them at that Costco without problems for the last year).

I can see why they were leery since the checks are about 4years old (and show their age) and have coffee stains. Also I've moved twice since the address on the checks, the phone number is out of date as well and the state they're from is 2000miles away. On top of that, they're from my WaMu (now converted to Chase) checking account. Plus the check numbers are still below 100. I only write about 2 checks per month (rent and Costco), at the rate I'm going I'm going to be using these check until 2017 (still have over 150 more blank ones).

Out of curiosity, why not use a debit card attached to your checking account? Costco and Sams Club will take any debit card
 

Possessed Freak

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Rarely do I not have 60 bucks on me, so for smaller purchases I use cash. Anything larger then it is a debit card. I go to my bank frequently and have automatic deposits/withdrawals going on so I like to know what I have at any given time. So a trip to the atm is no big deal.
 

ShawnD1

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Cashier at Costco this weekend was leery about taking my check since it was from out of state, she had to ask her manager first (I've been using them at that Costco without problems for the last year).
Of course they don't like taking those. You're taking a bunch of shit and giving them a piece of paper that says "don't worry, brah. I totally have the cash, brah."
When you use a credit card, it's processed or declined immediately. When you use a bank card, it's processed or declined immediately. When you give them a check, they have no way of knowing if you're fucking them.
 

Macamus Prime

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People have used their credit cards for everything, and then they stopped paying their credit card bills.

It's great not to have 'dirty' money to handle. But, there are plenty of people who have gotten into considerable trouble with dumping everything on their credit cards.

I love rewards as well, but I won't pay for $2 with a credit card.
 

kami333

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Out of curiosity, why not use a debit card attached to your checking account? Costco and Sams Club will take any debit card

Would you believe "I don't know my PIN?":$

I know the PIN for one of my personal accounts that I sometimes I draw cash from, but I don't know the PIN for our joint account that we use for household purchases since we never get cash from it or even use the debit cards (we didn't even have debit cards for those accounts for the last 2 years, they just sent us new ones).

Of course they don't like taking those. You're taking a bunch of shit and giving them a piece of paper that says "don't worry, brah. I totally have the cash, brah."
When you use a credit card, it's processed or declined immediately. When you use a bank card, it's processed or declined immediately. When you give them a check, they have no way of knowing if you're fucking them.

I just thought it was funny that out of all the things that could get my check flagged it was that it was simply from out of state, not even out of the region. Now that I think about it my account at Costco is under my middle name and the checks just have my first name plus middle initial so not even the names completely match up.

Though I will say that you'd have to be pretty stupid to bounce checks at a place like Costco that requires a membership, they have a copy of my DL on file.
 

ShawnD1

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Though I will say that you'd have to be pretty stupid to bounce checks at a place like Costco that requires a membership, they have a copy of my DL on file.

That still doesn't help them. I know a guy who was scammed on ebay when the buyer did a back-charge after the item was sent. The scammer lives in a town about 200 miles away and we even have the guy's full name and address but the police still will not help. Suing the guy isn't worth it because the cost of a lawyer or the cost of driving out there would be more expensive than the cost of the items lost. According to ATOT in the hitting a woman for parking thread, my friend and I can't weld the guy's doors shut and set the house on fire because "being a man" involves walking away and letting other people bitch slap you.

From costco's perspective, it's a lot easier to simply not take checks since trying to get the money out of you at a later time is next to impossible.
 

evident

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agree. people who pay with cash /checks for normal things need to get their head checked.
 

Exterous

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Aside from time consuming checks for small purchases I don't see what the issue with paying for things in cash or credit is. Some people do have spending issues with CCs so cash is a good way to keep that under control. Some people have great financial sense and get a lot out of CC rewards

We have a weekly spending limit for gas/luch/extras that we do in cash (so we don't get too crazy with the credit card) but for the recurring bills (utilities, phone, grocery etc) we use the credit card for the rewards (Yay free flights/AMEX gift cards!)
 

Dacalo

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I think so too. Paying with cash, debit card, or any other form of payment besides CC is a waste IMHO. Why not take advantage of cashback/points CC's offer for free? Gonna pay back every statement period anyways.

My fiancee uses debit card and I am converting her to use CC instead, muhaha.
 
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