I'm about to give up on my computers and go DELL

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
Perhaps stop using Abit motherboards? They are the common denominator

I never have any problems like you say, and all the PC's in this house, always, have been home built, and never had any substantial problems (other than needing formats, etc)

Believe it or not, but the most stable system I've EVER HAD was a system based off of an ABIT motherboard (which is the one I currently have). IC7-G is the best board I've ever had period, just incredibly stable, this system is overclocked to 3.5GHZ and I've had it run for 3 months straight (Includes Putting the system into standby which is a real GOTCHA for a majority of systems out there).

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Aren't you somewhere around 15 years old?

Oh and BTW, this is coming from someone with the screen name "IAteYourMother". Sheesh, talk about immature.

And "goku" is any better?

Pot. Kettle. Bllack.

Yes, it is.

Fortunately, my posts are far more civil and don't resort to dropping F-bombs all over the place over Dell PCs

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Aren't you somewhere around 15 years old?

Oh and BTW, this is coming from someone with the screen name "IAteYourMother". Sheesh, talk about immature.

And "goku" is any better?

Pot. Kettle. Bllack.

Yes, it is.

Fortunately, my posts are far more civil and don't resort to dropping F-bombs all over the place over Dell PCs

It's funny that you say that yet you didn't even bother to "quote them". I know they exist in this thread but...

 

[meltdown75]

you gotta do what you gotta do

imho they're not bad systems at all

 

[Xyo II]

Well, I got the $150 emachine on black friday-put a fx5200 and a 512 stick of ram for $30, since I had the RAM laying around. It runs WOW just fine with low resolution. I'll probably sell it for $700 (with upgraded components) and make $400 profit. I am completely fine with Dell.

Edit: I am browsing with it right now. Perfectly fine.

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Maybe I'll just look into a cheap ~$100 barebones pc w/ case and mobo and drop everything else in and pray for the best.

Next time go with a more basic board (make it Biostar or MSI)- that is not enthusiast related per say and just get a fast processor, some crucial ram, and a Fortron or Antec 500-550W PSU. When you get it built run memtest86 and prime95 your machine for 16 hours. Loop 3Dmark 03-05 for 3 hours. No glitches? Done. While performance related boards are very nice they also come with more things that can go wrong. and if you just wan't it to run fast and reliable choose a more basic board, a popular model HDD, well known brand ram, and get a really good PSU. Done. I say Biostar because even though they tend to be basic and a bit cheaper, they are more stable overall than any other AMD mainboard maker IMO (for the layman that is).

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: Terumo
Get better parts, and go Intel for stability. AMD has always had "issues" between the processor and motherboard.

Now you've gone and done it. Tell that to my 2x NV8s and 1x KV8 Pro running OC'ed 754 CPUs.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Installing all the serive packs, finding all the new driver updates, fresh install of windows, possible conflicts, and possible problems that may arise when doing all of this.

That's true in most cases. But I always make an image of the factory install and immediately nuke it (doesn't matter whether it's a Dell, HP, eMachines, etc.)

My own personalized copy of Windows > factory-installed with bloatware

 

[wasssup]

I bought my last two pc's...got awesome deals on Compaqs.

Something around $250 for my xp3000 a few years ago, and about the same for my xp3400 x64 a few months ago...

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
Perhaps stop using Abit motherboards? They are the common denominator

Oy! I'll admit that Abit was heck a couple of years ago (BX6, BX6 Rev 2, BP6, KT7A, etc.) and I swore them off for awhile. But due to a weird turn of events, all my A64 and P4 systems have Abit boards now (2x NV8, 1xKV8 Pro, 3xIS7-E2).

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: WhoBeDaPlaya

Originally posted by: Terumo
Get better parts, and go Intel for stability. AMD has always had "issues" between the processor and motherboard.

Now you've gone and done it. Tell that to my 2x NV8s and 1x KV8 Pro running OC'ed 754 CPUs.

I'm addressing a different type end user othern than yourself with what i said. You do understand that OC'ers are an enormous minority, even if there are websites dedicated to it most people don't give two rat poops about it? They just want stable PC's - no tinkering. FWIW i have overclocked for years on end since the celeron early days at the chip-level and on many of my own personal systems but not everyone should overclock. In fact the majority of end users (by a 97-3% ratio more or less) will never overclock and never care to - even if they could be shown how or could learn how they just don't care. Period. In the time it would take them (your average PC user or career professional that likes to game once in a while) to learn how to, and or dial in a nice overclock they can be dialing in their "careers" and using a Dell.

 

[Red Dawn]

Building Computer use to be a challenge but now it's just really assembling, something a trained monkey can do that's why I would rather buy a pre-built assembled by a trained Monkey at Dell than bother putting one together myself.

 

[radioouman]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: jcovercash
Emachines FTW!

Good point. All my family members have used emachines for a while. Never any issues with them, they are also great and even cheaper than Dell sometimes.

I used to buy up cheap leftover Emachines and sell them. I thought that they were a great deal. But little by little, they all started failing on me. Usually the hard drive and the optical drive would fail. I ended up losing my profits to replacing hardware. I'll never buy an Emachines again.

 

[Shadowknight]

At one point, the founder of Emachines sold the company off. They went from making decent systems to absolute garbage. So, he came back and bought the company back, quality shot right back up. Between his supereffective management style, and the earnings of the company, Gateway wanted to merge with Emachines, but with one requirement... the e-machine CEO to become the CEO of Gateway. He took the offer. So, I would give the e-machines made in the last year and a half a ashot.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: WhoBeDaPlaya

Originally posted by: Terumo
Get better parts, and go Intel for stability. AMD has always had "issues" between the processor and motherboard.

Now you've gone and done it. Tell that to my 2x NV8s and 1x KV8 Pro running OC'ed 754 CPUs.

Intel has a huge record on making stable boards. It's why they're used by businesses. If AMD even tried to market their wares to businesses they'll flinch on the deals, because AMD's record with motherboards AND processors being stable for such environments are dismal. Intel make motherboards that work specifically for their processors, and they are as stable as it can get -- as businesses demand it.

For the rest of the market that likes to OC to tinker and all that jazz they can afford more risks. But those who don't want to be weekend-techs (like mechanics of old were shade-tree mechanics), or can't afford it, there's a market for them.

Intel has some of the best service in the industry for hardware. Techi relative (who's been working in the hardware/network installation business for 20 years) works in a Intel/MS shop and said they went over to Intel for motherboards from Asus because Asus's support even for dealers sucked. Intel? Next day delievery on parts, and comprehensive customer support <-- they really do service what they sale. If you're in the business as an OEM builder, you have no time to pussyfoot around with incompetent level 1 techs.

Add to it, Intel and MS trains their techs so it's not some 18 year-old college tweaker or A+ tech doing the work.

It's because of that expertise Techi relative has I learned how to build, maintain computers. In the process I have NEVER had a problem with MS software, or Intel hardware. (I still have a P120, P233MX, and 2 matched PIII's that work to this day, as well). Compare to everyone else I know with an AMD product, they had every problem known -- on non overclocked systems. So yes, I know AMD has issues with their processors and motherboards working properly.

Terumo

 

[CaptnKirk]

Streach (TallBill)

2 things I don't see in your components list about the conmputers that give you fits:

1) BRAND OF MEMORY - you list 2X512 PC3200 DDR. I ONLY use Crucial, Samsung, and Corsair
have seen too many issues with other brands to trust them.

2) POWER SUPPLY - Nowdays it's useless to run less than 400W of power, many actually are undervolting on the rails
and when you string components and add splitters and Y-adapters, it gets worse.

I have an Abit N7F-S that has been the least problematic computer I ever built.

My suspicion of trouble is in your ATI 9800 Video card, I have been fighting driver issues with my main system
for months - all Radeon Driver problems, almost to where I'd NOT reccomend anyone to but the ATI Video Cards.
The latest 5-11 Drivers have almost eliminated the problems, and hopefully the 5-12's will finish the solution.
YOU MUST DOWNLOAD AND RUN THE ATI UNINSTALL PROGRAM FIRST, and then run the new drivers.
Save them all to the desktop and run them from there - Uninstall first, restart, run new drivers.
I was having 5 - 8 crashes a day with the 5-6 through 5-10 Drivers - ATI messed up with their Control Panel in the early drivers.

 

[randomlinh]

i'll probably never buy a dell unless it's one of their cheap server dealies. As much as I've lost interest in upgrading and such.. it's still fun to play the parts buying and slapping the machine together

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'll keep rolling my own thanks. Your post brings up a good point though, I always see the elitist scumbags stating 'a monkey can build a PC" while that may be so, it is when anything goes awry that the monkey discovers he is just humping the football

 

[Budmantom]

I have been buying Dell's for years, I normally keep them for 12-18months and when I sell them I usually make money, for those that say you can't game with a Dell feel free to look at my system specs.


Tom

 

[speg]

Get a Mac.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: goku
Heh, You think your going to get a perfectly stable, working condition system from dell? BUahaha, I've had more problems trying to get my dell systems running smoothly (that means not crashing) than systems I've built. The dell systems I have (their laptops are even worse) suffer wierd glitches and all sorts of other problems that really piss me off that I can't seem to figure out as to their cause. I hate dell, they build POS systems, they used to be good but now are garbage.

QFT.. Dell and any other premade PC are not gonna stop glitches and crashes..
all PCs have thier little issues..

Dell uses inferior parts and crappy service at least when you build you own you know where the parts came from and how they were reviewed

 

[Krazy4Real]

We have 17 dell desktops and 2 dell laptops here at the company I work for. We've never had any problems with them. They run great and we've never had to call technical support. I don't see why people give Dell such a bad rap. If you want to build your own computer, wonderful. I like building computers and there's nothing wrong with it. It's lots of fun. Just don't dog a company because you've had one bad experience. Lots of companies sell products where once in a while one doesn't work. For every one product that doesn't work, there's a lot that do work. There's a reason why major pc manufacturers exist.

 

[phantom309]

I've built at least 50 computers and I own a Dell 9100. It's stable, well designed, very fast and I couldn't have built it for what I paid. I'm sure that with a $500 video card it would be a great gaming machine as well. But I'm bored with gaming, and I just don't feel like messing with hardware on my off hours after messing with hardware all day at work.

In fact I'm seriously considering dumping all my PC gear and getting an iMac G5, just to have something new and different and to get rid of the rat's nest of cables my desk has become.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Terumo

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Terumo
AMD has always had "issues" between the processor and motherboard.

*quickly grabs a comfy chair and a six-pack before the festivities*

Grabs some Nomex, a flamethrower, and one tiny knife to filet a penis right down the middle.

Any kids wants to learn how it feels to be transsexual????

<evil grin>

Hand me a beer while you're sitting there -- it's hard work ya know.

Terumo

You have issues. I've been in some heated flame wars on here, but I don't ever remember implying that I would sever and cook other people's sexual organs during them.

 

[kyparrish]

I'd never go back to buying pre-builts, but if someone MADE me, I'd get one of the A64 emachines w/ PCI-E slot.