I'm about to give up on my computers and go DELL

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: goku
Wrong, do you really believe I benchmarked these systems in 1998-2000??? I benchmarked them LAST YEAR, this is why I could remember them. I didn't even know about si-soft sandra until about 2001.

"And those were systems from 1998-2000"
Gee, why would I ever come to that conclusion?
And pretty soon hopefully you'll learn to forget about stuff like SiSoft Sandra.

 

[Murphyrulez]

I quit building my own systems about 5 years ago and went with Dell right off the bat. I haven't turned back, and have had 3 laptops (I8000, I8600, I9300), and have 3 4500/4550's in the house now, plus I have bought friends and family at least 8 Dell computers.

NONE of them have ever had any problems. They have never crashed out of the blue. I don't know how Dell suport is, because I have never had the need to call them. Like someone else says, if you can't keep a Dell running smooth, I would doubt your competence.

 

[archcommus]

My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Installing all the serive packs, finding all the new driver updates, fresh install of windows, possible conflicts, and possible problems that may arise when doing all of this.

 

[GreenGhost]

I also got a 4550 back in 2002 when I realized there was no way I could buy an equivalent computer for the same price. It never crashed, it's very silent, all I need is a new video card and it will be good for another 2 years, if I'm lucky.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Top reasons to just buy a Dell:
1) Single warranty provider.
2) Cost.
3) Cool/quiet system.
4) System works out of the box, next to zero setup time (2 days is 2 days).
5) Miscellaneous little things like S3 standby working out of the box instead of fiddling around in the BIOS, checking drivers, etc.

This is assuming you've built a couple PCs prior and not taking into account any major problems during assembly of your homebuilt or something stupid going wrong like shorting your motherboard with a loose screw, etc.

 

[Terumo]

I can have a whole computer up in 1 day flat (with all the apps installed and configured too).

And with better parts (that resell much higher later).

Terumo

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Top reasons to just buy a Dell:
1) Single warranty provider.
2) Cost.
3) Cool/quiet system.
4) System works out of the box, next to zero setup time (2 days is 2 days).
5) Miscellaneous little things like S3 standby working out of the box instead of fiddling around in the BIOS, checking drivers, etc.

This is assuming you've built a couple PCs prior and not taking into account any major problems during assembly of your homebuilt or something stupid going wrong like shorting your motherboard with a loose screw, etc.

True. Guess I just prefer the ease of changing things in the future, even if you're not going for a performance system.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Terumo
I can have a whole computer up in 1 day flat (with all the apps installed and configured too).

And with better parts (that resell much higher later).

Terumo

Having a computer up in a day isn't anything special. It's simply not worth many peoples' time and effort to devote a day to doing it.

Not to mention, when Dell has some of their sales, you simply cannot match the prices of the systems. Most of the items worth antyhing hold their value relatively well also (RAM, Processor, Monitor, Video Card).

Most people really don't need better parts, especially if they aren't going to see a performance boost out of them, they cost extra, and it's not as easy to RMA them if something breaks.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Terumo
I can have a whole computer up in 1 day flat (with all the apps installed and configured too).

And with better parts (that resell much higher later).

Terumo

Its just not anything that I enjoy dealing with anymore. Just like how I pay someone else to change my oil/fluids. Sure I could do it myself, but why bother. Its a pain in the ass.

 

[SilentZero]

Hello NO!

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Top reasons to just buy a Dell:
1) Single warranty provider.
2) Cost.
3) Cool/quiet system.
4) System works out of the box, next to zero setup time (2 days is 2 days).
5) Miscellaneous little things like S3 standby working out of the box instead of fiddling around in the BIOS, checking drivers, etc.

This is assuming you've built a couple PCs prior and not taking into account any major problems during assembly of your homebuilt or something stupid going wrong like shorting your motherboard with a loose screw, etc.

True. Guess I just prefer the ease of changing things in the future, even if you're not going for a performance system.

Let's see:
On a Dell one can add more memory easily, can add a bigger HD easily, can add a new vid card easily (on most systems), etc, etc.
Upgrading anything else is getting into the "performance system" category nowadays. Do you think people really need 3GHz processors to check email and surf the web? Why would they care about what the latest and greatest motherboard is?

 

[cyclohexane]

why the hell do u have the G4MX matched with the A64? Why not just swap that with your 9800pro from the other comp?

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Top reasons to just buy a Dell:
1) Single warranty provider.
2) Cost.
3) Cool/quiet system.
4) System works out of the box, next to zero setup time (2 days is 2 days).
5) Miscellaneous little things like S3 standby working out of the box instead of fiddling around in the BIOS, checking drivers, etc.

This is assuming you've built a couple PCs prior and not taking into account any major problems during assembly of your homebuilt or something stupid going wrong like shorting your motherboard with a loose screw, etc.

True. Guess I just prefer the ease of changing things in the future, even if you're not going for a performance system.

Let's see:
On a Dell one can add more memory easily, can add a bigger HD easily, can add a new vid card easily (on most systems), etc, etc.
Upgrading anything else is getting into the "performance system" category nowadays. Do you think people really need 3GHz processors to check email and surf the web? Why would they care about what the latest and greatest motherboard is?

I...didn't say they did. I said I guess I prefer the ease of changing everything in the future.

And sometimes those Dell hard drives are a complete bitch to remove.

 

[CKent]

Both sides need to give a little leeway here. Some people don't want to be bothered, and that's fine. On the other hand, the post which suggested all adults own Dells and all DIYers are children was ignorant. The prebuilt crowd should concede that it's a hobby many enjoy and that a better and less expensive system can be built if one wishes to spend the time doing so.

And AMD >>>> Intel :evil: Cheaper + faster + runs cooler = win, instability problems are so 1995~

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
why the hell do u have the G4MX matched with the A64? Why not just swap that with your 9800pro from the other comp?

I posted why, but I'll write it again. When I put the 9800xt with the A64, it crashed very often while gaming. Tried everything under the sun, with no luck. It still freezes once a week or so, for who knows what reason.

What I need to do is sell the A64/Av8 and get something cheaper, but my wife is happy with her computer's performance now and doesn't want me to mess with it.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: archcommus
My question is, why is it a hassle to build your own? If you don't want to upgrade often that's fine. Just buy the parts, put it together, and it'll probably run great. Takes one night to buy the parts and another to put it together, not too bad.

Top reasons to just buy a Dell:
1) Single warranty provider.
2) Cost.
3) Cool/quiet system.
4) System works out of the box, next to zero setup time (2 days is 2 days).
5) Miscellaneous little things like S3 standby working out of the box instead of fiddling around in the BIOS, checking drivers, etc.

This is assuming you've built a couple PCs prior and not taking into account any major problems during assembly of your homebuilt or something stupid going wrong like shorting your motherboard with a loose screw, etc.

True. Guess I just prefer the ease of changing things in the future, even if you're not going for a performance system.

Let's see:
On a Dell one can add more memory easily, can add a bigger HD easily, can add a new vid card easily (on most systems), etc, etc.
Upgrading anything else is getting into the "performance system" category nowadays. Do you think people really need 3GHz processors to check email and surf the web? Why would they care about what the latest and greatest motherboard is?

I...didn't say they did. I said I guess I prefer the ease of changing everything in the future.

And sometimes those Dell hard drives are a complete bitch to remove.

I haven't seen a dell HD on a desktop system that didn't have rails in years....maybe some of the cheapo Dimensions still do.

Now those R450s, where the HD was mounted in the front bottom, those were a bitch and get fvcking covered in disgusting sh1t.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Both sides need to give a little leeway here. Some people don't want to be bothered, and that's fine. On the other hand, the post which suggested all adults own Dells and all DIYers are children was ignorant. The prebuilt crowd should concede that it's a hobby many enjoy and that a better and less expensive system can be built if one wishes to spend the time doing so.

And AMD >>>> Intel :evil: Cheaper + faster + runs cooler = win, instability problems are so 1995~

Oh the master of calling people children when they disagree with him doesn't like it when it's turned around on him. :roll:

Don't you have an iPod, Sony, or console gamer thread to crap in, gurck?

 

[jpeyton]

Dells are great for non-specialized use. I have a ton of their dual-core machines around my house and they are fast and stable for almost everything I do.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: goku
Wrong, do you really believe I benchmarked these systems in 1998-2000??? I benchmarked them LAST YEAR, this is why I could remember them. I didn't even know about si-soft sandra until about 2001.

"And those were systems from 1998-2000"
Gee, why would I ever come to that conclusion?
And pretty soon hopefully you'll learn to forget about stuff like SiSoft Sandra.

Whats your beef with sisoft sandra? It's a very useful program to test on systems so I can't figure out why you have a problem with it. Who cares if the systems were from 1998-2000, all but the Dell R450 were slower than they should be.

People like you piss me off, the kind of people who believe "OMG It's like 2GHZ FAST, MUST HAVE, I DezPERTLY N33D UBER F4ST3R C0MPUT3R!!!!! 400MHZ? THATS SO 1998, ahahah N00B! HAHAH YOUR SO POOR AND YOU GOT A CRAPPY SYSTEM! GET A FASTER SYSTEM NOOB!" So what, it's 400 mhz, just because it can't play the latest fvcking games, doesn't mean that it has to be butt slow at running everyday tasks. Not everybody needs a 1GHZ+ machine, a 600MHZ machine with a decent amount of ram and a fast HDD is PLENTY for what most people do.

It's a fvcking waste of money to go out and buy a machine just because it's 2GHZ faster when your going to end up with a machine that is around the same speed as your old system.

1. Not everybody needs a fast system.
2. Dell machines are garbage and I know because I have a bunch of them and have worked on quite a few of them.
3. Your beginning to irritate me.

 

[redgtxdi]

Can't knock somebody for considering a Dell.


When you have a system w/ probs......it makes ya wish it was somebody else's problem...........(especially when the problem's tough to find).

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Terumo
I can have a whole computer up in 1 day flat (with all the apps installed and configured too).

And with better parts (that resell much higher later).

Terumo

Its just not anything that I enjoy dealing with anymore. Just like how I pay someone else to change my oil/fluids. Sure I could do it myself, but why bother. Its a pain in the ass.

Never been a pain to me, and I've been building computers since '83 <-- when it really was a pain to solder parts together (kit based Timex-Sinclair). :shocked:

Now it's just attach the CPU/Heatsink, memory, v/c, audiocard, put it in the case, screw the standoffs in, attach the PSU, a HD and DVD/CD. Put a slipstream XP disk in in DVD/CD drive (one loaded with your apps and it's config), turn on the computer, get into the bios and configure your settings, reboot and start the XP installation. Then go watch TV for an hour or so. Come back and apply any updates. Then take your HDD mirror copy and move your data over.

Less than a day job (the above is like 4hrs).

Terumo

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: goku
Wrong, do you really believe I benchmarked these systems in 1998-2000??? I benchmarked them LAST YEAR, this is why I could remember them. I didn't even know about si-soft sandra until about 2001.

"And those were systems from 1998-2000"
Gee, why would I ever come to that conclusion?
And pretty soon hopefully you'll learn to forget about stuff like SiSoft Sandra.

Whats your beef with sisoft sandra? It's a very useful program to test on systems so I can't figure out why you have a problem with it. Who cares if the systems were from 1998-2000, all but the Dell R450 were slower than they should be.

People like you piss me off, the kind of people who believe "OMG It's like 2GHZ FAST, MUST HAVE, I DezPERTLY N33D UBER F4ST3R C0MPUT3R!!!!! 400MHZ? THATS SO 1998, ahahah N00B! HAHAH YOUR SO POOR AND YOU GOT A CRAPPY SYSTEM! GET A FASTER SYSTEM NOOB!" So what, it's 400 mhz, just because it can't play the latest fvcking games, doesn't mean that it has to be butt slow at running everyday tasks. Not everybody needs a 1GHZ+ machine, a 600MHZ machine with a decent amount of ram and a fast HDD is PLENTY for what most people do.

It's a fvcking waste of money to go out and buy a machine just because it's 2GHZ faster when your going to end up with a machine that is around the same speed as your old system.

1. Not everybody needs a fast system.
2. Dell machines are garbage and I know because I have a bunch of them and have worked on quite a few of them.
3. Your beginning to irritate me.

WTF are you babbling about? Talk about totally missing the point...somehow you interpreted what I've said as exactly the opposite. It's past your bedtime, you're getting cranky.

 

[CraigRT]

Perhaps stop using Abit motherboards? They are the common denominator

I never have any problems like you say, and all the PC's in this house, always, have been home built, and never had any substantial problems (other than needing formats, etc)

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: goku
It's a fvcking waste of money to go out and buy a machine just because it's 2GHZ faster when your going to end up with a machine that is around the same speed as your old system.

1. Not everybody needs a fast system.
2. Dell machines are garbage and I know because I have a bunch of them and have worked on quite a few of them.
3. Your beginning to irritate me.

Well, I need a faster machine something faster than a 500Mhz PIII slot 1!!

And that P4 2.4A does fine for most work, and perfect for a web computer. Until last year I was running a 64MB GeForce 2 Ti (4 freaking years old, but still did it's job).

But upgrades are needed (and I have no choice that P4T533 burnt out).

Terumo