I'm against gay marriage.

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

Wow. Someone failed 7th grade biology, didn't they?

 

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

I hope you're not being serious.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

It's not a genetic trait, so that won't happen.

EDIT: Are you saying that sexual preference is a product of a person's upbringing/environment?

 

[Wduaqnug]

Spunky against bullshit too

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Fausto
I still don't know why you, or anyone else, voted yes.

Because they're incompetent, homophobic, worthless, pathetic excuses for a human being, let alone one living in the so-called United States of America, land of the free, where equity reins.

Shouldn't it be against the constitution to ammend the constitution with discriminatory wording or something? Gah, you anti-gay people make me sick. It's your worst fear, yet you need to pull the sausage out of your asses.

I guess, unfortunately, you're always right when you believe you have God on your side.

:frown:

First off, people are entitled to their opinions and they're not necessarily ignoranant, worthless, etc. because of what they believe. You may consider that they haven't been educated to your beliefs/ideals.

I know many religious and even non-religious people who are extremely smart and capable (post-grad degrees, 80K salaries, etc.) who believe that allowing gays to marry destroys the sanctity of a union of two hetero-people. This issue is an emotional issue for many Americans (as voiced by your opinion) and they voted according to how they felt, not necessarily what's right.

Think about it, there was an amendment banning alcohol!

Either way, it may have set back the civil rights groups, but it did set a certain precedent that those groups should not approach those issues without thinking how it'll impact the average American voter.

The thing is, I don't think the average American voter thought about how it would affect them. These votes were just a kneejerk reaction to something many people actively dislike. Voting without due consideration of the amendment is, by definition, ignorant. I know that word is largely thrown around as an epithet, but it is accurate in the literal sense.

 

[Audiophile1980]

What ignorance!

Any free society is based on the idea that everyone is free to do whatever they wish as long
as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
Pedophilia is illegal because it infringes on the rights of the child.
Homosexuality is NOT illegal because it's between two consenting adults and hurts no one.

Now, the U.S. constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Yet, Gay couples don't
get equal protection for property rights (ie. one partner dies, house is inherited by kids,
not partner) and they don't have the same protection for power of attourney as straight
couples who are married (ie. emergency medical procedures and decision power.)

The Mass supreme court ruled that banning Gay Marriage was unconstitutional and if you had
two brain cells to rub together you'd realize that such a banning would also trample over
everything your 'free' society stands for. I used quotes on 'Free' because in order for a society to
be free, all of its people must be free, not just the 97% 'moral majority.'

Note that the Term 'Moral Majority' doesn't mean that the Majority is moral and the minority is not. What it means is that each group has their own set of moral values and one group is larger than the other therefore has the ability to enforce their morals on the minority...kind of like slavery or the repression of other religions...

What you're talking about here is legislating morality. This is obviously wrong.
Now, Marriage may be a religious thing to you, but it's not to everyone and it's not in the
eyes of the law. If you wanted it to stay a religious thing, you needed to step up to the
plate when it became accepted for non-religious Justices of the Peace to perform
non-religious ceremonies for non-religious people. What about hindus and muslims (who, btw
outnumber Christians in this world)?

Sorry, but Marriage is "The Union of Two People" and is a legal institution seperate from
religion. You can certainly make it a religious ceremony but in the eyes of the law it is
not. You don't get your marriage licence from God, you get it from your state.
After the Mass ruling Bush didn't know what to do. Ammending the U.S. constitution is his
attempt to hold onto the last bastion of biggotry and discrimination in the U.S.

The constitution is NOT used to lay out specific limitations. That is what law is for.
The constitution is for broad and sweeping rights and freedoms.
The last time the constitution was abused in this way - the only time - was prohibition and I
seem to remember that not working out too well.

Of course, this ammendment will not pass as you can't ammend the constitution in a fashion
which is contradictory to the rest of the document. This proposed amendment will be used for
toilet paper by the Supreme Court.

Why are you against gay marriage? how does it hurt you? How does it hurt anyone? What's the
gay agenda? They want the same rights and to be left alone? I can see how that would bother
you. It sounds downright 'free' and 'American' to me!

Maybe you should realize that you're a biggot and what you're doing is discrimination of the highest order.

but apparently a majority of folks outside of california don't want to taint the union of a man and woman.

And if a majority of people voted to reinstate slavery or ban buddhism or burn crosses on the lawns of muslims? Doesn't matter. It's still wrong and against the constitution and what your nation stands for.

BTW. Gay marriage is completely legal in Canada, where I live. It's the only totally Free Nation in North America. It's very common and no one has been able to see any negative side effects.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Wduaqnug
Spunky against bullshit too

That, as usual, makes no sense since we don't know what is considered "bullshit" in this case. I think the amendment is BS, while others thing being gay is BS.

 

[vital]

i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

.......and two men or women can't deal with financial burdens or raise a healthy child why, exactly?

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

A gay couple cannot support and raise a healthy child?

EDIT: Dammit Fausto

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

A gay couple cannot support and raise a healthy child?

EDIT: Dammit Fausto

Sorry, as the forum "Homo-Defender" (I forget what idiot called me that way back when) it's my duty to stay on top of this thread.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

A gay couple cannot support and raise a healthy child?

EDIT: Dammit Fausto

Sorry, as the forum "Homo-Defender" (I forget what idiot called me that way back when) it's my duty to stay on top of this thread.

Geekbabe is taking care of P&N and Fausto is working on Off Topic.
My heroes!

 

[Audiophile1980]

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

I must be imagining all those straight married couples i know who don't have children and don't have plans to get them...Seem the whole marriage thing is all about monogomy to them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Your God is an ass mite, what does he care what two consenting adults do and if their are married?

 

[MaxFusion16]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

If that were true, homosexuality wouldn't even exist today.

homosexuals were forced to lead a normal life due to social and religious pressure, so the trait is passed on.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

If that were true, homosexuality wouldn't even exist today.

homosexuals were forced to lead a normal life due to social and religious pressure, so the trait is passed on.

So Cheney and the chair of the GA Christian Coalition are secretly gay? They both have gay daughters.....please explain how this could have happened.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

If that were true, homosexuality wouldn't even exist today.

homosexuals were forced to lead a normal life due to social and religious pressure, so the trait is passed on.

So Cheney and the chair of the GA Christian Coalition are secretly gay? They both have gay daughters.....please explain how this could have happened.

[Dick Cheney] FSCK YOU!! [/ DICK CHENEY]

 

[Audiophile1980]

So Cheney and the chair of the GA Christian Coalition are secretly gay? They both have gay daughters.....please explain how this could have happened.
.

While there is overwhelming evidence (brain structure) that it is genetic, such a gene must be recessive. (as any gene which detracts from reproduction like a genetic disease) That means that it will most certainly be passed on as many people who carry it are straight and thus will reproduce. Also, many gay men use surrogate mothers and many lesbians use sperm banks.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

A gay couple cannot support and raise a healthy child?

EDIT: Dammit Fausto

Sorry, as the forum "Homo-Defender" (I forget what idiot called me that way back when) it's my duty to stay on top of this thread.

Geekbabe is taking care of P&N and Fausto is working on Off Topic.
My heroes!

I live in MA and actually know and do business with a legally married gay couple. They are so happy and so proud to be able to enjoybeing legally married that the certicate was openly in view in their shop.

They are lovely,pleasant,hard working, tax payers just like the rest of us.I'm glad they are able to finally see their marriage legally recognized.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Your God is an ass mite, what does he care what two consenting adults do and if their are married?

He likes to watch.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Originally posted by: Audiophile1980

So Cheney and the chair of the GA Christian Coalition are secretly gay? They both have gay daughters.....please explain how this could have happened.
.

While there is overwhelming evidence (brain structure) that it is genetic, such a gene must be recessive. (as any gene which isn't selfish like a genetic disease) That means that it will most certainly be passed on as many people who carry it are straight and thus will reproduce. Also, many gay men use surrogate mothers and many lesbians use sperm banks.

I'm suggesting that if this were to occur in nature, homosexuality would not be a favorable trait for survival, and over time nature would take care it. Survival of the fittest.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: marcello

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

It's not a genetic trait, so that won't happen.

EDIT: Are you saying that sexual preference is a product of a person's upbringing/environment?

I don't know what it is a product of. But to say that it's entirely genetic and will "weed" itself out is wrong.

 

[TitanDiddly]

I am against marraiges and civil unions.

I live in Massachusetts.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
I am against marraiges and civil unions.

I live in Massachusetts.

In general?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16

Originally posted by: Audiophile1980

So Cheney and the chair of the GA Christian Coalition are secretly gay? They both have gay daughters.....please explain how this could have happened.
.

While there is overwhelming evidence (brain structure) that it is genetic, such a gene must be recessive. (as any gene which isn't selfish like a genetic disease) That means that it will most certainly be passed on as many people who carry it are straight and thus will reproduce. Also, many gay men use surrogate mothers and many lesbians use sperm banks.

I'm suggesting that if this were to occur in nature, homosexuality would not be a favorable trait for survival, and over time nature would take care it. Survival of the fittest.

That's not what you said. You said

homosexuals were forced to lead a normal life due to social and religious pressure, so the trait is passed on.

which implies that people like Cheney and/or his wife must be secretly gay and have suppressed it.