I'm against gay marriage.

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thomsbrain

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guess what? in this country we have something called RELIGIOUS freedom. that means your religious arguments for making your own bigotry the law are invalid. void. caput. useless. and last but not least, pretty stupid. especially when you consider that there are plenty of christian churchs that affirm the right of every human being to have their loving relationships recognized by god.

also, WRONG FORUM. jesus, 3000 posts and you still haven't learned how to post.
 

shuan24

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Originally posted by: NinjaGnome
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Sorry but religion has NO PLACE in 2004 in this world. That CRAP has to be forgotten and we must do our best to promote social progression. Banning gay marriage is a step in the wrong direction, however it's one of such stupid little things that shouldn't have a major impact on the election anyway. A healthy economy promotes peace and security in any nation. Bush has helped greatly in that regard over the years.

That is so stupid, where do you think most peoples morals come from? I understand you may not have any but a lot of people do and are much better for it. Religion is the best thing in the world for a person, it gives them hope and it helps them become better people by giving them something to look forward to instead of fear. Athesist people should be afraid because they have nothing after this meaningless life. If there was no religion then this world would be a lot worse than it is now. I know there are wars over religion but there will be wars if there wasnt religion because of certain peoples nature. There is nothing in my religion that tells me to kill people that dont believe what I believe.

Wow! What should Atheist people be afraid of? Please do tell!

How do you know if there were no religion than the world would be worse off? Do you come from a parallel universe? I didnt think so. Your statement was merely a biased, subjective opinion. Troll.

I'm glad that your religion does not tell you to kill people that don't believe what you believe. But can you say that is true for all religions? Can you say that people haven't died because of what others have tried to enforce on them? No.
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
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I'm against 'tards that post inflamatory threads about topics that have already been beaten to death.
 

PricklyPete

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I don't care if you call it a marriage, but gays should have the same opportunity to get all the benefits...and non-benefits from being married.
 

SparkyJJO

Lifer
May 16, 2002
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Keep the word "marriage" from applying to the word "gay" and we are fine. Put the two together and you get something really gross.

BAN gay marriage and lets keep AT LEAST one thing straight in this country. Please? I'm sick of all the immoral stuff going on here and hope that AT LEAST one thing will be kept from being all messed up by messed-up people.
 
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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
BAN gay marriage and lets keep AT LEAST one thing straight in this country. Please? I'm sick of all the immoral stuff going on here and hope that AT LEAST one thing will be kept from being all messed up by messed-up people.

You're right. I'm tired of the immoral stuff too. Like...forcing your beliefs on someone else. The Nazis did that.

You do realize how stupid you are when you describe another group that's not hurting anyone as "immoral" right?

I think you should have to pass a test to retain your citizenship as you obviously know nothing about America.
 

Toastedlightly

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AudioPhile... lets keep it to one thread. This is getting rediculous. I am neutral on it. It will happen, give it 5-10 years. It all depends on the people. End thread.
 
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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
AudioPhile... lets keep it to one thread. This is getting rediculous. I am neutral on it. It will happen, give it 5-10 years. It all depends on the people. End thread.


Dude, why are you telling me to keep it to one thread?
I didn't start either thread and this one came first. The other thread was started by some redneck who felt afraid to post in this one because it was too filled with progressively social people discussing adult concepts so he started a "religious zealots" or "nascar lovers" thread to compensate.
 

aidanjm

Lifer
Aug 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
why not just let homosexuals marry and let natural selection take its course. Within a few generations, the homosexuals would become extinct with no offsprings. Problem solved.

Please, homosexuals are born into heterosexual families, generation after generation... throughout history, there have always been homosexual people... they will never "die out"... that is why homosexuality is considered an evolutionary conundrum -- how is it that a trait that appears to reduce the chances of reproduction get carried from generation to generation? No-one knows. But it is not going to die out.


 

aidanjm

Lifer
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Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.

You've just provided an argument in favor of gay marriage, as 1 in three lesbian couples, and 1 in 5 gay male couples, are raising kids. And you're absolutely right -- those kids (of gay parents) deserve the legal protections and security that come with marriage, just like the kids of heterosexual parents deserve those protections.



 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Audiophile1980
What ignorance!

Any free society is based on the idea that everyone is free to do whatever they wish as long
as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
Pedophilia is illegal because it infringes on the rights of the child.
Homosexuality is NOT illegal because it's between two consenting adults and hurts no one.

Now, the U.S. constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Yet, Gay couples don't
get equal protection for property rights (ie. one partner dies, house is inherited by kids,
not partner) and they don't have the same protection for power of attourney as straight
couples who are married (ie. emergency medical procedures and decision power.)

The Mass supreme court ruled that banning Gay Marriage was unconstitutional and if you had
two brain cells to rub together you'd realize that such a banning would also trample over
everything your 'free' society stands for. I used quotes on 'Free' because in order for a society to
be free, all of its people must be free, not just the 97% 'moral majority.'

Note that the Term 'Moral Majority' doesn't mean that the Majority is moral and the minority is not. What it means is that each group has their own set of moral values and one group is larger than the other therefore has the ability to enforce their morals on the minority...kind of like slavery or the repression of other religions...

What you're talking about here is legislating morality. This is obviously wrong.
Now, Marriage may be a religious thing to you, but it's not to everyone and it's not in the
eyes of the law. If you wanted it to stay a religious thing, you needed to step up to the
plate when it became accepted for non-religious Justices of the Peace to perform
non-religious ceremonies for non-religious people. What about hindus and muslims (who, btw
outnumber Christians in this world)?

Sorry, but Marriage is "The Union of Two People" and is a legal institution seperate from
religion. You can certainly make it a religious ceremony but in the eyes of the law it is
not. You don't get your marriage licence from God, you get it from your state.
After the Mass ruling Bush didn't know what to do. Ammending the U.S. constitution is his
attempt to hold onto the last bastion of biggotry and discrimination in the U.S.

The constitution is NOT used to lay out specific limitations. That is what law is for.
The constitution is for broad and sweeping rights and freedoms.
The last time the constitution was abused in this way - the only time - was prohibition and I
seem to remember that not working out too well.

Of course, this ammendment will not pass as you can't ammend the constitution in a fashion
which is contradictory to the rest of the document. This proposed amendment will be used for
toilet paper by the Supreme Court.

Why are you against gay marriage? how does it hurt you? How does it hurt anyone? What's the
gay agenda? They want the same rights and to be left alone? I can see how that would bother
you. It sounds downright 'free' and 'American' to me!

Maybe you should realize that you're a biggot and what you're doing is discrimination of the highest order.

but apparently a majority of folks outside of california don't want to taint the union of a man and woman.

And if a majority of people voted to reinstate slavery or ban buddhism or burn crosses on the lawns of muslims? Doesn't matter. It's still wrong and against the constitution and what your nation stands for.

BTW. Gay marriage is completely legal in Canada, where I live. It's the only totally Free Nation in North America. It's very common and no one has been able to see any negative side effects.

my favorite post in this thread. beautifully said.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: vital
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: vital
i am against gay marriage as well. but i do not think that marriage is a religious term. marriage is a legal contract. it has a lot to do with financial burdens and more importantly raising a healthy child.
.......and two men or women can't deal with financial burdens or raise a healthy child why, exactly?
assuming a child is wanted in the family...
when a child is raised with 2 dads, it's missing the love & qualities of child rearing from both mom & dad. true some children are left behind with these qualities when parents are divorced, but the decision of divorce is brought out after the child is born or after the couple is married. in a gay marriage, the couple has already made the decision to allow the child to be raised without the qualities of mom & dad child rearing.

Taking this arguement to its extreme, single parenting would be (should be) made illegal.

Actually, though, there is no evidence that kids raised by same-gender couples are any worse off than kids raised by opposite-sex couples. Even the American Academy of Pedoatricians has 'endorsed' gay parenting, pointing out that no data suggests these kids are disadvantaged by the 'unconventional' parental relationship. There IS evidence indicating that kids raised by a SINGLE parent are somewhat at a disadvantage (slightly higher high-school drop out rates, that kind of thing), by the way. The idea that it is absolutely necessarily to have 1 male + 1 female parent turns out to be false.

And by the way -- banning gay marriage is not going to stop gay couples from having children. 33% of lesbian couples are raising children right now. Do you prpose outlawing that, too?

 

aidanjm

Lifer
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Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
i was responding to eli's comment on how homosexuality might have been passed down, my initial comment clearly stated that if they were allowed to marry, the problem might just work itself out.

What "problem" r u referring to?

a few famous gays who made significant cultural and/ or scientific contributions...

-Alan Turing... the brilliant mathematician, who cracked the secret code used by the Germans in WW2 army communications; this was a really major contribution to the war effort.
-Alexander the Great -- greatest military commander in history.
-Michelangelo
-Oscar Wilde -- amazing, brilliant plays
-Gus Van Sant -- interesting, thought-provoking films
-Ellen - ! - she's kind of funny, right?

these people are a "problem"...? Right.


 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: armatron
In GA we had a choice on our ballots "Are you for or against an amendment that would ban gay marriages"

I voted FOR.

Here's why:
Marriage is a RELIGIOUS term. While I'm not religious, I do read it as the union of a man and woman before god.

What I think should be allowed are Civil Unions.. that way gays can be together and have a wedding or whatnot, but not be infringing upon religious zealots who are upset over the whole matter.

However, I don't think gays would be okay with this. What do you think? Would gays be okay with civil unions but not marriage?

Marriage happened before any christian religion. If you want to deprive marriage to someone, then you need to completely seperate the government and marriage, including tax benefits and so forth.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
I think gays do have the right to be just as miserable as married straight people.

What makes you think married people are miserable? I've seen married couples A LOT happier than "single" people :disgust:
 

Rayden

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its a religious term for you. it doesn't mean you have the right to define it for everyeone else. the godless marry too. and if you want ot take that logic ot the rational conclusion, only christians(reasonable guess of ur religion) should "marry"

I have considered this. Why do godless people marry? All it is is a restriction. If you find out you don't like who you married you need to get a divorce. Those aren't fun I hear.

I for one consider marriage to be a one time event with one woman. After that I won't be with anyone else. That is what God has told us to do. If you don't believe you should be married in front of God, why get married?

This is excluding the legal reasons. BUT if civil unions existed, why would an athiest couple get married?
 

gamerxx13

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I dont think it should be considered as an amendment. Marriage is a religious ideal, but government and religion dont mix. This is where you get benefits from having a marriage, tax breaks, etc. But saying people of same sex not to have those same benefits is just wrong. Under the 14th amendment it states equal protection under the law. You are not giving this to gay people which is discrimination. This has happened so many times during history, women vote, blacks to vote, where everyone thought it was one day, but in reality it was discrimination, and im sure in time gay marriage will be something that we say i cant believed we argued about that.
 

jst0ney

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its a religious term for you. it doesn't mean you have the right to define it for everyeone else. the godless marry too. and if you want ot take that logic ot the rational conclusion, only christians(reasonable guess of ur religion) should "marry"

 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: ariafrost
Originally posted by: SoylentGreen
I think gays do have the right to be just as miserable as married straight people.

What makes you think married people are miserable? I've seen married couples A LOT happier than "single" people :disgust:
It's a joke. Sorry you didn't get that. No wait, I'm not sorry, what I meant is it's too bad you didn't get it.

 

AlienCraft

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Until "equal protection" is afforded to all citizens,regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed or any other differentiating criteria, The Constitution is a farce.
 
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