I'm buying a handgun

[Kelvrick]

HK, Sig, Glock, they'll all serve you just fine. If you get a problem one, it'll turn up pretty quick. I personally use a PM9 for portability reasons and a P226 or 12ga pump for bump in the night depending on where I am.

I know the "torture tests" are ridiculous but I saw a Glock 17 vs. USP test, the Glock passed every test, the USP failed on the first one. On top of that too much of the mass is in the slide (same with Sigs), in rapid fire you'll have more muzzle flip than with a lower/flatter slide.

WTF? More mass would mean less muzzle flip. The USP is polymer, like the glock whereas the Sigs with their alloys are beefier (aside from their pro and 250 series). Are you talking about bore axis/balance? If so, its all up to the shooter to see what he likes.

Regarding M&P's, yes, they have their problems but they're also fine pistols. I had an M&P 9 but ended up trading it for a Sig trailside .22lr target model. I didn't have any of the problems but if you frequent mp-pistol forums, you can lean more about the problems. The biggest one would be the magazine drop and some smaller ones like how some pistols like to eject casings back into your forehead and some have slide lockback problems.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Why .40?

Seems like a cartridge with no real home. I mean I own several, but it really excels at nothing.

 

[jtvang125]

.50 Desert Eagle

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

I know the "torture tests" are ridiculous but I saw a Glock 17 vs. USP test, the Glock passed every test, the USP failed on the first one. On top of that too much of the mass is in the slide (same with Sigs), in rapid fire you'll have more muzzle flip than with a lower/flatter slide.

WTF? More mass would mean less muzzle flip. The USP is polymer, like the glock whereas the Sigs with their alloys are beefier (aside from their pro and 250 series). Are you talking about bore axis/balance? If so, its all up to the shooter to see what he likes.

Yeah, but their mass (being taller/more bulky slides) is focused higher, resulting in more mass/force flying backwards when you fire. The result is more flip.

And yes CallMeJoe, Glocks have been reported to KB, but typically it's from someone's homebrew +++p+++ that they tried to fire...although I do with they had a reinforced chamber. The XD does and I've yet to hear anything about KB's.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: DomS
I honestly wish I could just get an ar-15...but I'm thinking that'd be too expensive.

for concealed carry? :laugh:

I walk funny when I tuck my heat :laugh:

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Why .40?

Seems like a cartridge with no real home. I mean I own several, but it really excels at nothing.

I chose a .40 because it a compromise. Plenty of take down power without as much wall penetration as you get with a .45

 

[AstroManLuca]

H&K don't make bad guns (in fact, they make very good guns), but they do overcharge a lot for them. They also have a reputation for arrogance among certain people: blog post

I'd say if you want a purely functional gun, you really can't beat a Glock. They're ugly and their critics call them "soulless," but that's just code for "always works." Some of the most reliable guns around. After that you can always fill out your collection with other, more "soulful" guns.

One Glock alternative that gets a lot of attention is the Springfield XD series. Basically the same thing except with a backstrap safety and a different grip angle. Fewer aftermarket accessories available, though.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Why .40?

Seems like a cartridge with no real home. I mean I own several, but it really excels at nothing.

I chose a .40 because it a compromise. Plenty of take down power without as much wall penetration as you get with a .45

I personally don't believe in this mystical "take down power."

Hit a guy in the gut with a 9mm, 40 or 45, he's not going to die immediately. Hit a guy in the head/heart with any caliber and he'll go down pretty quickly. Its all shot placement. Now, take into account ammunition prices and see how much you're willing to pay to throw lead down range.

 

[l0cke]

I was also under the impression that .40 had a problem where the bullet would get push back into the casing if it was chambered for too long. I only heard about this once though.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Why .40?

Seems like a cartridge with no real home. I mean I own several, but it really excels at nothing.

I chose a .40 because it a compromise. Plenty of take down power without as much wall penetration as you get with a .45

I personally don't believe in this mystical "take down power."

Hit a guy in the gut with a 9mm, 40 or 45, he's not going to die immediately. Hit a guy in the head/heart with any caliber and he'll go down pretty quickly. Its all shot placement. Now, take into account ammunition prices and see how much you're willing to pay to throw lead down range.

I agree. If you have hollow points and good shot placement, a 9mm won't have any trouble taking a guy down. And if you do have trouble, then I doubt a slightly larger bullet will really help that much. There are certainly differences, but they're not nearly as big as a lot of gun guys make them out to be.

9mm is definitely the cheapest effective defense round to shoot, so it's worth considering.

 

[CptCrunch]

my vote is for s&w m&p, being a fellow s&w m&p 9mm compact owner, once you handle one of these guys, the plastic handles feel cheap as hell

 

[pontifex]

where are you seeing 6 months? it says 40 days on that site.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Why .40?

Seems like a cartridge with no real home. I mean I own several, but it really excels at nothing.

I chose a .40 because it a compromise. Plenty of take down power without as much wall penetration as you get with a .45

I personally don't believe in this mystical "take down power."

Hit a guy in the gut with a 9mm, 40 or 45, he's not going to die immediately. Hit a guy in the head/heart with any caliber and he'll go down pretty quickly. Its all shot placement. Now, take into account ammunition prices and see how much you're willing to pay to throw lead down range.

I agree. If you have hollow points and good shot placement, a 9mm won't have any trouble taking a guy down. And if you do have trouble, then I doubt a slightly larger bullet will really help that much. There are certainly differences, but they're not nearly as big as a lot of gun guys make them out to be.

9mm is definitely the cheapest effective defense round to shoot, so it's worth considering.

Yeah, no such thing as "knock-down" power. What matters is penetration and what it hits. The wider as it goes through the better, and 9mm has gotten to where it expands nearly as much as a .45 with the right rounds.

Equal effectiveness, higher capacity and cheaper than .40. Remember the .40 was a compromise round to begin with.

The bullets in a .40 don't set back from just sitting in the chamber. It can experience some set-back if it's just loaded over and over, no real concern.

 

[chowmein]

get a 1911 =) w/ a match grade barrel ...

and you can never ever go wrong with glocks, you can shoot that thing under water.

www.gundirectory.com for some pretty good reviews and user-experiences.

should also buy yourself a .22 handgun ... fun on the range goes on and on and on and on.

 

[ghost recon88]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: DomS
I honestly wish I could just get an ar-15...but I'm thinking that'd be too expensive.

for concealed carry? :laugh:

Why conceal it? I think it would be more intimidating to wear it strapped to your back

Originally posted by: jtvang125
.50 Desert Eagle

Yes, my favorite gun ever! I'm thinking about grabbing the .357 flavor of it.

 

[lokiju]

I recently got a Taurus 24/7 9mm and put a few hundred rounds through it the other day and have to say, for the money I'm very happy with it. Zero jams and I preferred it over my brother in laws .45 Glock.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
H&K don't make bad guns (in fact, they make very good guns), but they do overcharge a lot for them. They also have a reputation for arrogance among certain people: blog post

I'd say if you want a purely functional gun, you really can't beat a Glock. They're ugly and their critics call them "soulless," but that's just code for "always works." Some of the most reliable guns around. After that you can always fill out your collection with other, more "soulful" guns.

One Glock alternative that gets a lot of attention is the Springfield XD series. Basically the same thing except with a backstrap safety and a different grip angle. Fewer aftermarket accessories available, though.

Just remember, with the XD series, they don't sell spare parts. You have to mail in the gun.
just FYI...
And yes, I am still considering one, but this factor has me looking at alternatives.

 

[CatchPhrase]

GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS!

 

[PrinceofWands]

6 month wait? For the gun or the permit? Are things really that crazy there? Took me 2 weeks for my permit, and about 10 minutes for my gun.

Which HK you going with? Just because they're my personal love, I have to give a shout out for the Taurus Millennium PT140. The early models had issues, but as far as I know it's all resolved, and I have NEVER loved a gun as much as my PT140. Flawless performance, ridiculously accurate for its size, perfect feel, and a complete steal ($300).

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Josh123
I've wanted an HK USP Compact forever, wish I had the money to afford one .

Really are a very nice gun. Not quite right in my hands, but a nice gun just the same.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Why do you want to "speed it up"? That part worries me.

ZV

 

[dmw16]

HK is overpriced for most people's applications. The Glock is a great choice. The best guns are the ones that go bang when you pull the trigger and you can always rely on a glock.

As for caliber. I don't care for .40. The recoil is too sharp for my liking. For a conceal carry I think a 9mm with good hollow points are a good choice.

 

[dmw16]

I saw you said you know a lot of people the glock jammed up on. I don't know what those people are doing. Maybe they limp wrist it, but Glocks are established as some of the most reliable weapons out there. Cops, special forces, air force pilots, many organizations that need weapons that just work rely on a Glock firearm.

Also, the only way to avoid the 6 month wait is to buy from another person if such a sale is legal in your state.

Also, a few things on conceal carry. It is very important to continue to train. WHen you draw your weapon and plan to use it you better hit what you are aiming at and KNOW YOUR BACKSTOP. Regular continued instruction and range time are a must. Also, be prepared to eat asphalt or hood if you are pulled over and the officer discovers you have a permit to carry. Regardless of what you did or didnt do they will likely consider you a serious threat. Just a warning we were given in our conceal carry class...goes along with the territory.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: dmw16
I saw you said you know a lot of people the glock jammed up on. I don't know what those people are doing. Maybe they limp wrist it, but Glocks are established as some of the most reliable weapons out there. Cops, special forces, air force pilots, many organizations that need weapons that just work rely on a Glock firearm.

Also, the only way to avoid the 6 month wait is to buy from another person if such a sale is legal in your state.

Also, a few things on conceal carry. It is very important to continue to train. WHen you draw your weapon and plan to use it you better hit what you are aiming at and KNOW YOUR BACKSTOP. Regular continued instruction and range time are a must. Also, be prepared to eat asphalt or hood if you are pulled over and the officer discovers you have a permit to carry. Regardless of what you did or didnt do they will likely consider you a serious threat. Just a warning we were given in our conceal carry class...goes along with the territory.

I thought something popped up on their computers when they run your license?

I checked into getting a CCW. I have to wait another year and a half before I can apply because of my habit of collecting DUI's.

 

[chowmein]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: dmw16
I saw you said you know a lot of people the glock jammed up on. I don't know what those people are doing. Maybe they limp wrist it, but Glocks are established as some of the most reliable weapons out there. Cops, special forces, air force pilots, many organizations that need weapons that just work rely on a Glock firearm.

Also, the only way to avoid the 6 month wait is to buy from another person if such a sale is legal in your state.

Also, a few things on conceal carry. It is very important to continue to train. WHen you draw your weapon and plan to use it you better hit what you are aiming at and KNOW YOUR BACKSTOP. Regular continued instruction and range time are a must. Also, be prepared to eat asphalt or hood if you are pulled over and the officer discovers you have a permit to carry. Regardless of what you did or didnt do they will likely consider you a serious threat. Just a warning we were given in our conceal carry class...goes along with the territory.

I thought something popped up on their computers when they run your license?

I checked into getting a CCW. I have to wait another year and a half before I can apply because of my habit of collecting DUI's.

yes when cops run your plates they will know if you're conceal carry.

and you're a douche for drinking and driving.