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Hayabusa Rider

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Supposing for a moment that the writer of the article had determined by valid statistical means that black women were found to be substantially less attractive when viewed by a wide group of people.

Would there be any way he could present that data without being crucified?
 

Cogman

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We really need to stop politicizing science. We can't on one hand say "evolution is real, species do change and evolve." and then on the other say "All different ethnicities of humans have exactly the same characteristics".. Anytime a scientific study points out that there are differences between ethnic groups *gasp* RACISM!!!!

The issue this creates is that it makes a study of ethnic groups very unappealing. The risk or real racists entering the field is increased which causes it to be even more unattractive.
 

Cogman

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BTW, while I don't really have an opinion one way or another with black women, I find half black, half white women to be VERY attractive.
 

zinfamous

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Supposing for a moment that the writer of the article had determined by valid statistical means that black women were found to be substantially less attractive when viewed by a wide group of people.

Would there be any way he could present that data without being crucified?

there's the rub.
 

PieIsAwesome

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BTW, while I don't really have an opinion one way or another with black women, I find half black, half white women to be VERY attractive.

Now you are giving a preference, which means you think of other groups as less desirable than your preference, which means you are racist. Racist.
 

TheVrolok

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If the article is fact-based, what's wrong with it? Try taking the Harvard Skin-Tone Implicit Association Test and see what your own preferences are. Hell, I'm not white myself and even I prefer lighter shades.

Now I'm wasting time taking those tests.. interesting.

You have completed the Light Skin - Dark Skin IAT.

Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Light Skin and Dark Skin.

The couple I got "wrong" seemed to be just my anticipating the next question; not sure about the test.
 

MarkXIX

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Now I'm wasting time taking those tests.. interesting.

You have completed the Light Skin - Dark Skin IAT.

Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Light Skin and Dark Skin.

The couple I got "wrong" seemed to be just my anticipating the next question; not sure about the test.

Yeah, not sure about my result either. I am married to a Puerto Rican and it said I prefer light skinned people. I know when it comes to my women, I like them like my coffee. Hot, sweet, and light brown from some cream being mixed in.
 

Terzo

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I forgot about the IATs. I took the one for asian-americans and was a bit surprised by the results. I wouldn't consider myself racist against asians, but I can understand me associating asian with foreign.

Your Result
Your data suggest a moderate association of European American with American and Asian American with Foreign compared to Asian American with American and European American with Foreign.
I also did the one for blacks and whites...and I'm a moderate racist.

Your Result
Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European American compared to African American.
Weee, doing more tests. I'm also sexist.

Your Result
Your data suggest a moderate association of Male with Science and Female with Liberal Arts compared to Female with Science and Male with Liberal Arts.
 

polarmystery

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If the article is fact-based, what's wrong with it? Try taking the Harvard Skin-Tone Implicit Association Test and see what your own preferences are. Hell, I'm not white myself and even I prefer lighter shades.

One problem I see is that even if there was overwhelming empirical scientific evidence to prove that the guy who wrote the article is 100% correct, that people refuse to absorb what actually happens. I don't know if the guy is correct or not, but the 'loser' in the battle of attractiveness will always be internally upset at the outcome. Mainly because what makes them human is being seen as the lowest standard, which is damaging to anybodies ego.

And like all the other black guys or mixed guys on the forum like myself have already stated, we've mostly or have preferred dating lighter skin women. Not that the opportunity to date darker skin hasn't presented itself, it is just what we prefer...science be damned

Supposing for a moment that the writer of the article had determined by valid statistical means that black women were found to be substantially less attractive when viewed by a wide group of people.

Would there be any way he could present that data without being crucified?

exactly...
 

Whisper

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Part of the issue with ethnicity-based social science research in particular is that so many of the variables can be unbelievably difficult to operationalize. Relatedly, it's also quite easy to (potentially unknowingly) skew results based on inherent, unidentified biases in the operationalization process (e.g., selection of grouping criteria and outcome measures, choice of statistical methods, assignment of participant groups, etc.).
 

Bryf50

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Good quote from the comments section.
I'm not confident that you understand the word 'ignorance'. This is a scientific study. It is NOT the opinion of the author. You can mock the data all you want- and perhaps the voters were biased- but it's not up to the analyst how experimental data trends.
 

DougoMan

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Read the rest of the article:

For example, because they have existed much longer in human evolutionary history, Africans have more mutations in their genomes than other races. And the mutation loads significantly decrease physical attractiveness (because physical attractiveness is a measure of genetic and developmental health).
 

Svnla

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As a black man I must say that I agree. I never go out with black women never, for various reasons.

Care to give us a few of those reasons. No need to give the whole list, top 10 list will be fine.

They did not factor in the wear of school girl outfits with extremely small skirts. Perhaps they should have placed the black women in such attire and then did the study.

Or heavy set/fat women in extreme tight and short top with bellies hanging out (muffing top). Yike, so nasty and not attractive at all.
 
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Bateluer

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It should be noted that a sexual preference for one race or another does not make you a racist. I am friends with several non-Caucasian people, we hang our fairly regularly and I enjoy their company. I just don't find them attractive from a sexual perspective.
 

Goosemaster

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Reaction play by play:

Earlier this month, the popular magazine Psychology Today published an article by evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa titled



“Why Are Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?"



that was met, expectedly, with mass outrage. The article used data based on another study to make several claims such as "black women are objectively less physically attractive than other women"



yet "subjectively consider themselves to be far more physically attractive than others."

 

0roo0roo

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its basically a chick mag

the adverts for bs alternative medicine and the such all through out the mag don't put it in a good light either.

anyways he stuck his foot in it for speaking the truth, some people are less attractive, just look at atot
 

zerocool84

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BTW, while I don't really have an opinion one way or another with black women, I find half black, half white women to be VERY attractive.

A half black/white person is going to be lighter skinned, obviously not dark but not light so you don't like dark skinned. Almond skin color is considered the most attractive right now.
 

DangerAardvark

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Perception of beauty varies from society to society and in this one it's been heavily influenced by the dominant culture i.e. white people. Every participant in this society is conditioned by it. Even within our own society, standards of beauty change from decade to decade.

You fucking ignorant, racist cunts didn't even bother reading about the sloppy methodology of the study. It's not even good science, like most of evolutionary psychology. And the guy isn't even a scientist. But you retards predictably embrace it because it reinforces your own prejudices.
 
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DangerAardvark

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Read the rest of the article:

That's literally the worst quotation you could have come up with. Kanzawa is a sociologist with a tenuous to the point of non-existent grasp of basic biology. Africans are not "older" than other populations. For fuck's sake, we all share a common ancestors who originated in Africa.
 

alkemyst

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A half black/white person is going to be lighter skinned, obviously not dark but not light so you don't like dark skinned. Almond skin color is considered the most attractive right now.

lolwut. Not always. You may want to sit down with a genetics book.
 
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