I'm done with Samsung.

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Forgot to mention the battery life. Fully charged when I leave home, it's at about 20% left 8 hours later when I get off work - just playing music with the screen off.

Is yours wildly inconsistent too? Like one day in the car (hooked up to the head unit for usb power) the battery drained FASTER than it could charge (maps were on so I know the extra pull was from the gps, still ridiculous). Sometimes I can get through 5 or 6 pm, some days it's kaput at 2, and my usage is the damn same everyday (candy crush and cached spotify use during 1 hour commute, sleep most of the day, bluetooth on for my fitness tracker and wifi off)
 

mnewsham

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This is another reason to go for the Note line, the battery isn't huge, but I am getting 5 hours screen on time with everything stock and auto brightness. I can stretch it to 6-7 hours if I manually keep the brightness down. And a debloated ROM could probably help out even further. I have yet to have the Note5 die on me and generally find it lasts me 1.5-2 full days of regular use.
 

Oyeve

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This is another reason to go for the Note line, the battery isn't huge, but I am getting 5 hours screen on time with everything stock and auto brightness. I can stretch it to 6-7 hours if I manually keep the brightness down. And a debloated ROM could probably help out even further. I have yet to have the Note5 die on me and generally find it lasts me 1.5-2 full days of regular use.

Give it a couple of months. I bet the battery won't last as long.

When I got my Note 4 last year the battery life was stellar! A few months later and a 100+ apps and it will die within 15 hours. Thought it was my battery so I bought a new one and got the same lackluster results. One of the bad things with Android in general are rogue apps killing the battery.
 

AnderssonHunt

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To be honest, Samsung is probably the only reason I'm still on Android. While the software experience is not without issues, at least the hardware makes up for it. I just love the size, display, and camera quality of my S6, it's just pretty much perfect for me.

If it weren't for Samsung I'd probably go for a Moto G (if it's not stellar at least it's cheaper), or bite the bullet and get an iPhone... but that comes with its own albeit different set of compromises.
 

trmiv

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Guess I'm in the minority, but I love my Note 5. I went from S4 to Note 4 and now Note 5. I reallly didn't give a crap about the lack of SD, I never even came close to filling up the 32+32gb SD in my Note 4. A removable battery would have been nice, but I can live without it. The battery life on my Note 5 is better than the Note 4 from day one. The fingerprint scanner is miles better than the one on the Note 4, and actually is usable. Also Touchwiz has gotten a lot lighter and better in this version. For the first time that I've owned a Samsung device I'm actually using Touchwiz as my launcher. It's just as fast as Nova or the Google launcher, and the theme store works well with it. I actually prefer the toggles in the notification bar on Touchwiz vs the stock Android implemention. Also I like the Touchwiz camera far better than the stock Google version.

I also must be in the minitory about Lollipop, because I like it better than any version of android yet. It works great for me with Touchwiz, and I get to use the close to untouched version frequenty because our on-call phone for work is a Droid Turbo, and I like it there as well.
 

CakeMonster

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I'm running far more than 4 apps at the same time and I'm not experiencing lag or "redrawing" when switching. The "high" memory usage that you see is probably the same kind of memory management/caching that makes windows users go ballistic before its spelled out to them what is actually happening.

I have no idea what your issue is, but my S6 and those of several friends provide a perfectly smooth user experience.
 

Roland00Address

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Hey I totally get it - the sweet spot is in the upper mid range and there are a lot of great choices that are probably more than what most people need.

Also - the two device thing is kind of a silly comparison. The best device is what you have on you at any given time - some people may tote a tablet around 24/7, but I certainly won't. My iPad hasn't really ever let my home.

I actually wholeheartedly agree with most of what you said about the screen quality and such. Sometimes it is worth paying more, but there is a magic price when you just can't justify it and you say no. This number may be different for each person. $300 to $400 more is not worth Samsung's awesome oled screens especially with the downsides of touchwiz beside the price increase.

As anand la shampi used to say on this website, there are not bad devices, only bad prices.

But in my mind you are flat out wrong on the two devices arguement. If you were talking about the camera in your pocket is the best camera out there. But with the active stylus I think you are just flat out wrong.



Stylus for typing and data entry with alphabet letters suck on a 5.7" screen. You do not use it to enter letters, but instead for the whole new input modality that a pen brings such as drawing diagrams, mind mapping, sketching, art, etc. It is just small and it is not effective at doings its purpose and thus having it on you does not make it useful. If your goal is diagrams, mind mapping, sketching, art, etc you would gladly bring a 2nd device just to have those features.

Compare the screen area of these devices.

Galaxy Note 5, 5.7" 16x9 ratio equals 13.88 inches² $750 to $800 MSRP, 1440p oled

Asus Zenpad SA, 7.85" 04x03 ratio equals 29.58 inches² $300+$30 Stylus, android 2048x1536

Asus T100 Chi Transformer, 10.1" 16x10 ratio equals 45.85 inches² $350+$40 Stylus, windows 1200p includes keyboard

Surface 3 Atom, 10.8" 03x02 ratio equals 54.00 inches² $500+$50 Stylus, keyboard separate, 1920x1280

Surface 3 Core, 12.0" 03x02 ratio equals 66.46 inches² $800 for i3, keyboard seperate 2160x1440

So we are talking 2 to 4 times the drawing area, this is a big deal when taking notes, and dong things like diagrams and mind maps. The note is just too small.

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Getting the note 5 to take notes is like getting a surface 3 for you want an awesome 3 lb computer for typing so you get the surface 3 with a type cover instead of a real ultrabook.

I agree we need high end phones, but we do not need outrageous prices for what you get. $600 is a much more realistic price than $750 to $800 for the note 5.

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Note I am using MSRP prices for simplicity and the fact deals do go away. If I really want to I can point out all the time there has been deals on core M convertible laptops, like the Dell Venue 11 pro 10.8" core m for $350 refurb without keyboard and stylus, $500 new with keyboard. Asus T300 Chi with 12.5" 2560x1440p for $550 etc. Spending $800 for the note is just saying you like spending money. Yes it has an awesome screen and a stylus but there are many good 5.5 to 6" phones now unlike lets say 3 years ago with the Note 2 Samsung s3 generation.
 
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dawheat

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But in my mind you are flat out wrong on the two devices arguement. If you were talking about the camera in your pocket is the best camera out there. But with the active stylus I think you are just flat out wrong.

I don't know if either of us are wrong. My point was it's not the same thing - I'm not stating it's better or worse.

Having a device I carry in my pocket 18 hours a day and can use to jot down notes (which I do with regularity at work) is not the same as carrying a phone and a tablet/notebook which I need a bag for. In cases where you can use both devices, I agree that it's a superior experience.

But I'd hate to carry around another device - my phone and work laptop are more than enough for me.
 

Roland00Address

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I don't know if either of us are wrong. My point was it's not the same thing - I'm not stating it's better or worse.

My point is with such a small space it is not really superior to just using the onscreen keyboard. For many things it will be faster to do the onscreen keyboard, and the drawing area is too small to draw effectively since you are literally limited to such a small space.

Maybe my language was too far, but the reason why I used that language is that the note does not fulfill its primary purpose if you think its primary purpose is note taking, instead of note utilization.

If you just mean note utilization, well that is why we have things called google keep with audio, list, or notes or similar apps. Having short 1 or 2 sentences notes do not need a pen, especially when it cost $300 to $400 more.

Do note I agree with you on the importance of screen. If you want to spend money to get good specs the most important 2 are

1) Battery Life

2) Followed by Screen Quality, now Screen Quality is at such a level that for most phones the only thing that really needs improvement is brightness, battery life for various brightness, color calibration of the already good screen so its right, and cutting down on reflections with things such as laminated glass.
 

Raduque

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Maybe my language was too far, but the reason why I used that language is that the note does not fulfill its primary purpose if you think its primary purpose is note taking, instead of note utilization.

If you just mean note utilization, well that is why we have things called google keep with audio, list, or notes or similar apps. Having short 1 or 2 sentences notes do not need a pen, especially when it cost $300 to $400 more.

On my Note 4 (and Note 3) I had it setup to where pulling the S-Pen out unlocked the phone and launched S-Note and I could just start writing. Put the pen back in, and S-Note saved and the screen locked. I think I used S-Pen toolbox and Tasker.
 

lopri

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I think that is a little unfair. What we want is fast updates without many major bugs or setbacks. We have that expectation because that is the standard set by Apple for the mobile industry.

I think what Lollipop really shows us is that the Android yearly release cycle is too short for major OS upgrades. It leaves us getting major OS updates in pieces, which means a year of broken stuff.

Optimally Android would have coasted on Kitkat until what will be 6.0 was ready. Or at least until what is 5.1 was ready. But the marketing department has a say, and they say Android needs the yearly release to have a reason to rally the troops.

The combo of that 810 SoC failure and Lollipop being Android's Vista makes it trying times for Android. 2016 (and the 820) can't come soon enough.

I agree with this in general. My previous comment was rather limited on the specific situation surrounding Lollipop.
 

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Although Lollipop sucks at garbage collection and battery life even at stock, it's Samsung that actually make it look like it's much worse than anything. I had a S3 before (with ICS originally) but after the 4.3 Jelly Bean update it feels like Samsung are forcing me to get a new phone since it lag so much the battery didn't last after just 2 hours of browsing. Even on stand-by it wont last for long . Just a meager 2 days if im lucky. Samsung really know how to break any Android OS in its phone (ICS was perfect , then came Jelly Bean which destroy my phone) Now with Lollipop , its gonna get much worse unless Samsung went stock like Motorola but still put some 'gimmick' in it. If Motorola and Sony can do it, why can't Samsung?

The future of Android phones are actually lies to the Chinese-brand phone maker like Xiaomi, Sony if there can make people switch to their phones or etc. Their Android implementation on their phone are near flawless and their skin aren't that bad either.

I trade in my S3 for a Chinese brand phone named Vivo and it's much better in my regards than my old Samsung. While it use Android 5.1 surprisingly it doesn't have the same problems Samsung Lollipop phones has. Strange
 

Raduque

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I had to go spend almost an hour and a half at Best Buy yesterday to get my phone reflashed. BT decided to die, then it bootlooped after rebooting to bring it back. Can't wait to get my Blu so I can list this thing and buy the X Pure.
 

lothar

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I hate to say it, but I bet that is mostly what you dislike about the Samsung device. Almost anything running 5.0 runs like a dog.
This is absolutely false. My Nexus devices doesn't have the problem he described, and neither does a majority of cheap phones with 1GB RAM.

I love how when HTC fucks up memory management on their phones, people blame them; but when Samsung does the same, it's Lollipop's fault.
My Nexus devices don't randomly close apps or redraw them. What he described is strictly a Samsung issue and nothing else.

I have 13 multitasking windows open now on my Nexus 5 and no redrawing apps on reopening is required.

Let's recap the reason why OP hates the phone:
After riding the Galaxy Train from the original Vibrant up through the S6, I'm finally done. It's mostly the memory management in their builds of 5.0+ that's done it for me. I have an $800 phone that will, more often than not, behave like a $200 phone. It has an 8 core processor and 3 gigabytes of ram, but the system (according to the "Running" tab) uses 1.7. More than half of the ram is used by the system, and STILL the homescreen of the launcher has to re-draw when I multitask between more than 4 apps. Over 600mb free, and it's killing apps left and right. I really don't know what's up with Samsung's build of 5.0.2 I do know that AT&T won't let it get fixed for months, if it can be fixed at all. Lots of other weird little quirks. One such example is that Bluetooth won't stay toggled in-calls.

Evidence:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/07/15/galaxy-s6-review-addendum-three-months-later/
https://youtu.be/DDWX6qJjY-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/aggressive-ram-management-t3090492
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/killing-apps-aggressively-t3084155/
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ote-5-still-having-ram-management-issues.html

(For good measure and in the interest of saving forum space, I'm only going to post comments from the first website...Watch the YouTube videos and visit the links to the other comments)
Something you start noticing after using the Galaxy S6 for an extended period of time is that its memory management profile is different than most phones. Despite having 3GB of RAM to play with, Samsung seems to have opted for very aggressive memory management. If you leave something open in the background and launch a few other activities, the GS6 will probably close that first app.

The general consensus before Android 5.1 started rolling out was that this was a bug, but I don't think much has changed now. I suspect this is how Samsung wants the GS6 to work. Power users notice this kind of thing, but I bet most people won't. It might simply be something you have to learn to live with.

I've got a Zenfone 2 at half the cost of an S6 and this thing doesn't lag in the slightest from what I've seen.... I don't understand how Samsung can have batshit crazy hardware and not get a skin working well with their hardware. It's as though they don't care about software and think hardware will sell itself.

Memory management is night and day on those two devices, it's shameful. A comparison video of the two on YouTube (I forget the reviewer unfortunately) shows the S6 refreshing games every single time the reviewer jumped from app to app while the Zenfone 2 actually back grounded the game without refreshing to the start page/intro. I absolutely love the look and feel of the S6 and the camera is second to none but really Samsung should have some shame just based on that video alone.

multitasking on stock android is significantly better. The Nexus 5 has a reasonable memory management system. I can scroll on my recents list to apps and chrome tabs that were open a couple of hours ago and they are still saved i the RAM. It's primarily touchwiz.

I am not happy, the RAM managment and laggyness after just a few weeks of use is insane, memory managment is one thing, but i can't even use pandora and my fitness app at the same time. if I use the fitness app, open facebook, pandora, and then take a pic, Pandora stops and is killed, and my fitness app forgets where I was! I wish they made a dev version, I want clean Android, and the S6's camera and size!

The memory management may not be a bug but it is a usability problem for everyone. Not just power users. It's a big friggin deal that it kills apps in the notification drawer. Pebble loses connectivity randomly. Audible is killed while playing a book. It has killed my keyboard while in use. This phone is completely unusable. I bought a Fire phone on clearance because I am positive it will function better w/ cm11 than this phone. I am just f@*$ing done.

It seems like Samsung is really trying to copy the iPhone with the overly aggressive memory management.
I remember trying an iPhone a few years back and remember getting irritated about the fact that it had to reload after every 3rd app or so. I don't know if that has changed with the recent iPhones or latest iOS updates, but if Samsung is copying now then I doubt it has changed.

Why the heck are they shipping flagship phones with 3-4GB of RAM for then? For the sake of pumping their chests?
 

Raduque

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Why the heck are they shipping flagship phones with 3-4GB of RAM for then? For the sake of pumping their chests?

Same reason it's got an 8 core processor and 16 core GPU that can do compute.

The Spec War is real!
 

poofyhairguy

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This is absolutely false.

I love how you throw that out there like your word is law or something. How about a little truth this morning- Lollipop DOES have a BAD memory leak and there is more evidence than just "my experience" to prove it.

Two links to prove it exists:

http://www.dailytech.com/Nasty+Memo...ering+Engine+is+Killing+Apps/article37037.htm

http://www.greenbot.com/article/286...ill-reportedly-fix-lollipops-memory-leak.html

And here is the Xposed fix for the leak (which wouldn't be needed if it wasn't a problem):

http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-fix-lollipop-memory-leak-t3065296

Why it maybe doesn't effect you are much as a Nexus would be on 5.1.1 which fixes some of the issues. Most Android phones running "Lollipop" (including but not just Samsung devices) are on 5.0.
 
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dawheat

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I love how you throw that out there like your word is law or something. How about a little truth this morning- Lollipop DOES have a BAD memory leak and there is more evidence than just "my experience" to prove it.

Two links to prove it exists:

http://www.dailytech.com/Nasty+Memo...ering+Engine+is+Killing+Apps/article37037.htm

http://www.greenbot.com/article/286...ill-reportedly-fix-lollipops-memory-leak.html

And here is the Xposed fix for the leak (which wouldn't be needed if it wasn't a problem):

http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/xposed-fix-lollipop-memory-leak-t3065296

Why it maybe doesn't effect you are much as a Nexus would be on 5.1.1 which fixes some of the issues. Most Android phones running "Lollipop" (including but not just Samsung devices) are on 5.0.

Hmm all this talk is making me curious - I'll probably pick up the new Nexus 5 if it's pretty cheap just to play around with it. The last Nexus phone I owned was the 4 running KK and I honestly didn't feel it was smoother/faster than my Samsung phone at the time (though running custom TW ROM).

I know the Note 5 is running 5.1.1 which may partially explain why I don't get all the fuss. I have the AT&T variant which is probably one of the most bloated (though I disabled it all), and I just don't have these issues people complain about. I have Android wear running to my Moto 360, Lux Dash controlling auto brightness, some music generally running, often pause music to play a HD video, run 6-7 tabs on my browser regularly, do the normal social stuff (FB, instagram), and my enterprise mail app and I never have issues with apps shutting down. Maybe it's b/c I tend to close all apps several times a day and don't play games, but I'm not sure what I'm missing.
 

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Yeah the new Moto G is a great device, even the old ones.

well, I'm on the OG-G (2013?), and it basically don't multitask. Listen to podcast, open firefox, doggcatcher dies. No navigation and podcasts in the car at the same time either. A bit annoying. I don't think there are any two apps I can toggle between without them restarting either (not even settings). Check and email and got back to the website and it has to reload. every.time.. I'm frankly close to being done with this. But at least it was only $150. Got it last year and was hoping to get 2 years out of it, but not sure I can take it. Maybe a 2015 G in January..
 

Red Storm

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My point is with such a small space it is not really superior to just using the onscreen keyboard. For many things it will be faster to do the onscreen keyboard, and the drawing area is too small to draw effectively since you are literally limited to such a small space.

Maybe my language was too far, but the reason why I used that language is that the note does not fulfill its primary purpose if you think its primary purpose is note taking, instead of note utilization.

If you just mean note utilization, well that is why we have things called google keep with audio, list, or notes or similar apps. Having short 1 or 2 sentences notes do not need a pen, especially when it cost $300 to $400 more.

Do note I agree with you on the importance of screen. If you want to spend money to get good specs the most important 2 are

1) Battery Life

2) Followed by Screen Quality, now Screen Quality is at such a level that for most phones the only thing that really needs improvement is brightness, battery life for various brightness, color calibration of the already good screen so its right, and cutting down on reflections with things such as laminated glass.

Writing > qwerty typing on a phone. I love the S Pen on my Note 5. It goes everywhere I go, whereas a larger (or separate) device would not. I do not want to type on a qwerty phone keyboard to take notes, I want to write it down. As soon as I take out the S Pen I can immediately start writing, that's hard to beat. It works very well as a note taking device, even in a class environment. I actually do use it to take notes for an IT course and it works very well. That is because of the software too though, S Note is a really nice app.

Do I think the Note 5 is expensive? Yes. Do I think it's worth it? If you want the best display, the best camera, a real stylus, all in a premium build package then yes, it is worth it. Bargain priced Android phones do not appeal to me because my smartphone is more than just a phone that runs some apps, it's my primary computer.
 

Red Storm

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The iPhone 6S is tempting to me just for that reason.

I actually really liked all the Force Touch stuff shown off... But it's only going to work with Apple apps (as in the map preview will be Apple Maps) which is one of my biggest gripes with iOS (default apps). A device this advanced (and expensive) shouldn't be handicapped in such a way.
 

dawheat

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I actually really liked all the Force Touch stuff shown off... But it's only going to work with Apple apps (as in the map preview will be Apple Maps) which is one of my biggest gripes with iOS (default apps). A device this advanced (and expensive) shouldn't be handicapped in such a way.

Apple apps or iOS apps? I'd expect wide usage of at least basic FT functions on all apps of note. Sure a small developer app may not, but pretty much all apps from corporations will have at least the app shortcuts within a year.
 

Red Storm

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Apple apps or iOS apps? I'd expect wide usage of at least basic FT functions on all apps of note. Sure a small developer app may not, but pretty much all apps from corporations will have at least the app shortcuts within a year.

I meant like if you have an address link in a message, my assumption is that the touch preview is always going to be from Apple Maps, which would significantly reduce the coolness of such a feature.
 
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