You're really not supposed to do something like that. While technically its the right thing to do, a lot of problems can come to your boss by you going around doing stuff on your own like that since you still work(ed) for him. What if something goes missing at one of these unscheduled stops or something goes wrong and someone gets hurt? Litigation. Lawsuits are the reason why we can't have nice things anymore because a few bad apples hurt the whole crop.
When you are in a management position you'll understand over-zealous employees are not the best to have when you are in a customer facing position.
i really dont understand though. im not trying to argue, please dont take it that way if thats how im coming across. i just dont see how if its different if i get hurt when im on a service call? if the insurance doesnt cover it, i have to pay for it....
and, why have i never had this issue in the past? why were every other boss i had extremely happy that i would go out of my way for the company like this?
theres only one other tech, and he runs the consumer side of the shop. he has a 3 year no-work/disclosure clause though. i dont know why he signed that... but i think it says even if he gets fired he cant work in the city doing that stuff for 3 years.
we just talked last friday about starting our own shop. he is good at what he does, but he is scared of the legal issues if he does it. i try to tell him not to worry about it, becasue a judge isnt going to stop someone from working.. but this boss is loaded with money so the guy is just flat out scared of him.
You're really not supposed to do something like that. While technically its the right thing to do, a lot of problems can come to your boss by you going around doing stuff on your own like that since you still work(ed) for him. What if something goes missing at one of these unscheduled stops or something goes wrong and someone gets hurt? Litigation. Lawsuits are the reason why we can't have nice things anymore because a few bad apples hurt the whole crop.
When you are in a management position you'll understand over-zealous employees are not the best to have when you are in a customer facing position.
DING DING DING!
you won the thread. i just talked to dad two days ago about doing this. he said he is going to try to finance me $10k to start up in my garage.
boss knew i wanted to run a business someday too.. it was part of the reason he hired me. he wanted someone to run his business so he didnt have to be there all the time. i showed that i was more then capable of that, but like this argument showed, he was constantly far more worried about being "right" then he was about making money.
this guy treats his other employee like shit too. way worse then he treated me, and part of the argument was me standing up for the other guy- which i think is the real reason he fired me. he said i was turning into the other guy, which i snapped back "thats completely insulting. nobody effects what i do. i do the job i do because i chose to be that way. YOU are the one who is effecting me. YOUR attitude is completely unacceptable".
and thats what he held onto. 5 months of great work and he fires me becasue i told him something nobody ever does, yet there wouldnt be a soul in the world that disagrees with me. whatever! he just gave me a green light to start my own thing!
If I were a small business owner, I don't think I would punish my employees for trying to do right by the customer and gain a good reputation for my business. The liability would be worth it, in my eyes.
Hey .. now you can snipe his employees too Is this an audio install shop?
its not insubordination when he disrespects his employees on a daily basis. we had one argument in 5 months, and it wasnt even that bad of an argument. and i continued to work after that and all was fine the rest of the day.
besides, it was his mother, who works for FREE 3 days a week mind you, is the one who told me to go to the guys house for no charge.
she told me she will deal with her son, and i told her not to get involved because i was the one agreeing to the suggestion. the boss even said that he knows his mom authorized the trip, but i stopped him and said it was my decision to go. i didnt want his poor 73 year old mother treated any worse then she already had been through the months.
dunno, if i was a business owner and had an employee doing free work for a paying customer, i don't think that would fly over well with me.
No kidding, totally unreadable.
first, the customer did pay. $160 for one hour of service. he WAS a good paying customer. i went back for 15min to help him figure a couple things out, and when i was there i sold a $150 bulb which is roughly $80 in more profit. there is only one boss on the planet who wouldnt do what i did, and i worked for him.
He represents whoever is paying you. So yes, it is insubordination if you do not accept what he says and do what he says. If you find anything objectionable about that you can refuse further work and move on. As long as you accept being paid by them you need to do what they tell you to do
well you keep changing your stories. first you said you went to do him a favor. then you said he bought some bulb for $150. now you are saying the bosses mother told you to go there for free.
so not really sure wtf really happened. but all i know is that if i ran a business and you did work for free instead of getting the hourly rate, i'd be pretty upset. even though it is $80 profit, it should have been that + the $160 rate (if you all have 1hr minimum). not saying i would fire you, but i wouldn't act as if it did not happen.
this was a 2 man shop, and i joined as a future partner. it was agreed that my wage will be determined by how much money we make, and i was to have the responsibilities as a manager so he didnt have to run the shop. i was getting paid to make these sort of decisions, and his argument was to lose profit. that directly effects my wage, so i had to say something.
i even explained to him that if he makes me do things that arent profitable, i wont be happy about it. he totally agreed, and he even said he knew why i was getting upset. i thought we settled it, but apparently it was stewing in his mind all night. i can tell he is someone who has been abused in the past, because he could never take a single sliver of critisism. he was always right, even if proven wrong there was an excuse to his answer...