he does have 1080ti thoUnless you are running a 1080Ti, I wouldn't bother, and even then the difference would be marginal at 1440P.
Save your pennies for your next GPU upgrade.
I'm with JimKiler. You should delay any CPU upgrades until the IHVs get a firm handle on the architectectural vulnerabilities and are able to deliver complete mitigation without any performance degradation. I'm still on my 6900k and can't see myself upgrading my CPU and platform until 7nm and PCI-E 4.0 are available; and hopefully DDR5 as well.
Those sound like awesome upgrades. Who knows when PCI-E 4.0 and DDR5 come out. That would be so sick. I keep telling myself the 6800K is about as fast as a stock 6700K but with 2 more cores. It doesn't help. I'm pissed off because I want my 4.6ghz back that I lost with my 3930K. I took a small step forward in IPC but a similar step back in clock speed. Really crappy, but its still a nice chip and I am enjoying it. Just a little regretful over these crappy clocks.
PCI-E 4 and DDR5 should be in 2020. Not that far down the road. (Though they may skip PCI-E 4 and go straight to 5)Those sound like awesome upgrades. Who knows when PCI-E 4.0 and DDR5 come out. That would be so sick. I keep telling myself the 6800K is about as fast as a stock 6700K but with 2 more cores. It doesn't help. I'm pissed off because I want my 4.6ghz back that I lost with my 3930K. I took a small step forward in IPC but a similar step back in clock speed. Really crappy, but its still a nice chip and I am enjoying it. Just a little regretful over these crappy clocks.
I think going straight to PCIe 5 instead of 4 is very likely since the work on 5 is half done already. Although to be honest I'm not sure if most users even high end ones would benefit enough to matter. Of course as usual I could be wrong about that.PCI-E 4 and DDR5 should be in 2020. Not that far down the road. (Though they may skip PCI-E 4 and go straight to 5)
Meh. I think the fun ended when we got agp. Since then it havnt been a bottleneck.I think going straight to PCIe 5 instead of 4 is very likely since the work on 5 is half done already. Although to be honest I'm not sure if most users even high end ones would benefit enough to matter. Of course as usual I could be wrong about that.
I'm pissed off because I want my 4.6ghz back that I lost with my 3930K.
Heh, so you basically just want a 5ghz chip.
I'd be happy with 4.6-4.8. I'm sick of the Intel side grades. More IPC but less clock speed. More cores but less clocks. X299 was ruined because you got more clocks but the mesh ruined gaming performance and the paste screwed the thermals. Its always something. Its been very frustrating since Sandy Bridge. There hasn't been a worthy and proper replacement for a 3930K and IMO there still isn't.
That was a no compromise, no BS chip that wasn't handicapped in terms of clocks, thermals or any other area. We haven't had anything like that since, although Haswell-E was pretty good actually. Just not a substantial uplift in per core performance.
The 3930K was as good as the best of the best, just with two more cores and quad channel ram and lots of PCI lanes. That's what you got for spending more. You simply got MORE, not a little extra here and a little less over there. That was the last legit chip with no 1 step forward 2 steps back Intel BS that has become standard these days.
8700K is good but is thermally stupid and lacks PCI lanes. Just a few more lanes would be good for sound cards or SSD's or whatever. But nope, you get exactly 16. Just enough for the GPU and that's it.
If AMD ever manages to actually match Intel's performance again then Intel is in a world of stank bio soup because they've been nothing but frustrating as hell for the past 6 years.
Yeaa you are right. Ofc. Never thought about the rgb bling and glass whatnot in that way. Sure. We need TIM washed away and glass bling and water.
Bf is going ww2. I guess thats okey. Would have preferred something more older and dirty than even ww1. Like american civil war. Kill your brother with a showel narrative.
If bf2 ends up bad i will return to tf2 and play pyro. On a laptop.
I'd be happy with 4.6-4.8. I'm sick of the Intel side grades. More IPC but less clock speed. More cores but less clocks. X299 was ruined because you got more clocks but the mesh ruined gaming performance and the paste screwed the thermals. Its always something. Its been very frustrating since Sandy Bridge. There hasn't been a worthy and proper replacement for a 3930K and IMO there still isn't.
That was a no compromise, no BS chip that wasn't handicapped in terms of clocks, thermals or any other area. We haven't had anything like that since, although Haswell-E was pretty good actually. Just not a substantial uplift in per core performance.
The 3930K was as good as the best of the best, just with two more cores and quad channel ram and lots of PCI lanes. That's what you got for spending more. You simply got MORE, not a little extra here and a little less over there. That was the last legit chip with no 1 step forward 2 steps back Intel BS that has become standard these days.
8700K is good but is thermally stupid and lacks PCI lanes. Just a few more lanes would be good for sound cards or SSD's or whatever. But nope, you get exactly 16. Just enough for the GPU and that's it.
If AMD ever manages to actually match Intel's performance again then Intel is in a world of stank bio soup because they've been nothing but frustrating as hell for the past 6 years.
I'd be happy with 4.6-4.8. I'm sick of the Intel side grades. More IPC but less clock speed. More cores but less clocks. X299 was ruined because you got more clocks but the mesh ruined gaming performance and the paste screwed the thermals. Its always something. Its been very frustrating since Sandy Bridge. There hasn't been a worthy and proper replacement for a 3930K and IMO there still isn't.
That was a no compromise, no BS chip that wasn't handicapped in terms of clocks, thermals or any other area. We haven't had anything like that since, although Haswell-E was pretty good actually. Just not a substantial uplift in per core performance.
The 3930K was as good as the best of the best, just with two more cores and quad channel ram and lots of PCI lanes. That's what you got for spending more. You simply got MORE, not a little extra here and a little less over there. That was the last legit chip with no 1 step forward 2 steps back Intel BS that has become standard these days.
8700K is good but is thermally stupid and lacks PCI lanes. Just a few more lanes would be good for sound cards or SSD's or whatever. But nope, you get exactly 16. Just enough for the GPU and that's it.
If AMD ever manages to actually match Intel's performance again then Intel is in a world of stank bio soup because they've been nothing but frustrating as hell for the past 6 years.
8700K is only 'themally stupid' at 5GHz+ or using very high voltage. I would bet your 3930K @ 4.6GHz would use a heck lot more power than a 8700K @ 5GHz.
I don't really get the more IPC less clockspeed thing, for what its worth my CPU upgrade path since Sandy Bridge has been a 2500K @ 4.5GHz, 3770K @ 4.7GHz and 6700K @ 4.7GHz. I haven't lost any clockspeed but I've definitely gained IPC. Perhaps HEDT is different, I know Skylake X was a disappointment for gamers due to the mesh bus.
WR to the PCI-E lanes, thats 16 lanes for the GPU exclusively. I believe the Z370 chipset has 24 PCI-E lanes.
He said thermally stupid, not power-hungry, which it is, thanks to the TIM that the 3930K doesn't have.8700K is only 'themally stupid' at 5GHz+ or using very high voltage. I would bet your 3930K @ 4.6GHz would use a heck lot more power than a 8700K @ 5GHz.
I don't really get the more IPC less clockspeed thing, for what its worth my CPU upgrade path since Sandy Bridge has been a 2500K @ 4.5GHz, 3770K @ 4.7GHz and 6700K @ 4.7GHz. I haven't lost any clockspeed but I've definitely gained IPC. Perhaps HEDT is different, I know Skylake X was a disappointment for gamers due to the mesh bus.
WR to the PCI-E lanes, thats 16 lanes for the GPU exclusively. I believe the Z370 chipset has 24 PCI-E lanes.
That is a very good question.What are you guys doing with your old, unwanted hardware?
Deserves a new thread.What are you guys doing with your old, unwanted hardware?
He said thermally stupid, not power-hungry, which it is, thanks to the TIM that the 3930K doesn't have.
When he talks about the clockspeed vs IPC vs cores argument, he's talking about the high end. How do you decide between 5930K, 6800K or 6700K/7700K? 5930K clocks high and has 6 cores, but it has worse IPC than the others, 6800K has good IPC, but doesn't clock well, 6700K/7700K offers higher clocks and IPC, but only 4 cores, has TIM and fewer PCI-E lanes. There is no strictly best option between those three choices. Even now, there might be reasons to pick a 5930K over Skylake-X or Coffee Lake. Skylake-X isn't soldered and is crippled by the mesh, 8700K isn't soldered and has a weaker platform.
I think the above will be very apparent when we see 8 slim zen2 derivative cores in next gen consoles. How will last 6 years pc users look like? Like idiots. Paying to get raped.Holy crap, this guy gets it *exactly*. Intel is a master of frustrating the hell out of the enthusiast, at least for those who enjoy the hobby for the same reasons I do. I'm not alone, I know that. I can't even count the forum threads I've seen with people asking the same question, "What's best for gaming? 6800K or 7700K?" or "Skylake vs Haswell-E for gaming". Its all about frustrating the enthusiast until they are absolutely ready to crawl out of their damn skin. Making someone choose between 6 slower cores or 4 faster ones is just about as frustrating as choosing a CPU can possibly get.
All of that frustration was a result of Intel REFUSING to deliver 6 mainstream cores. They insisted on taking advantage of the situation and absolutely price raping the entire 6 core market. If you wanted 6 cores, you had to settle for less in some very key areas and pay a huge premium for the privilege of getting screwed. This is enough to make my blood boil. All it took was a little competition, and now look where things are headed?
We are soon getting 8 of the latest mainstream Intel cores for what will likely be less than half the price they used to charge for 8 cores. They will be the latest so you won't have to choose between IPC and cores. The only thing limiting you might be a little less clock speed due to having the extra heat output, but that's about it. Unbelievable. Absolutely stunning is what it is.
Intel better start serving up a few extra PCI lanes as well on the mainstream, because if Ryzen gets even a little better, Intel will start shedding customers like crazy. Getting stuck with 8 fast cores and only 16 PCI lanes is yet another frustrating situation. Its a half baked half measure by Intel if they do this again. Its yet another BS way to create segmentation and force people to pay way more for a HEDT platform for just a few extra lanes, which is all HEDT will have to offer people at that point.
We can at least partly blame AMD and the FX chips for people thinking they didn't need more cores.Holy crap, this guy gets it *exactly*. Intel is a master of frustrating the hell out of the enthusiast, at least for those who enjoy the hobby for the same reasons I do. I'm not alone, I know that. I can't even count the forum threads I've seen with people asking the same question, "What's best for gaming? 6800K or 7700K?" or "Skylake vs Haswell-E for gaming". Its all about frustrating the enthusiast until they are absolutely ready to crawl out of their damn skin. Making someone choose between 6 slower cores or 4 faster ones is just about as frustrating as choosing a CPU can possibly get.
All of that frustration was a result of Intel REFUSING to deliver 6 mainstream cores. They insisted on taking advantage of the situation and absolutely price raping the entire 6 core market. If you wanted 6 cores, you had to settle for less in some very key areas and pay a huge premium for the privilege of getting screwed. This is enough to make my blood boil. All it took was a little competition, and now look where things are headed?
We are soon getting 8 of the latest mainstream Intel cores for what will likely be less than half the price they used to charge for 8 cores. They will be the latest so you won't have to choose between IPC and cores. The only thing limiting you might be a little less clock speed due to having the extra heat output, but that's about it. Unbelievable. Absolutely stunning is what it is.
Intel better start serving up a few extra PCI lanes as well on the mainstream, because if Ryzen gets even a little better, Intel will start shedding customers like crazy. Getting stuck with 8 fast cores and only 16 PCI lanes is yet another frustrating situation. Its a half baked half measure by Intel if they do this again. Its yet another BS way to create segmentation and force people to pay way more for a HEDT platform for just a few extra lanes, which is all HEDT will have to offer people at that point.