Im going 64 bit

[zmaster]

Alas its the cheap Athlon 2800+ with 512 L2 cache, on a socket 754, but its still a 64 bit computer rite. No more overclocking I guess, as I dont think you can up that CPU. I could be wrong. The mobo Im getting is a Asus K8N. Anyone willing to wish me good luck on doing that?

http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=233&l1=3&l2=14&l3=66

Heres the link to the mobo.

 

[RichUK]

yeah good luck .. i think that was like the first 64 bit AMD, dont have a clue whether it will OC that well

 

[imported_Starman]

Why stay with a dead platform? You're much better off getting a 3000+ Venice and an S939 board. You're not saving that much money by going S754 and it'll kill you ($$$) in the long run thanks to zero upgrade path.

 

[Leper Messiah]

For real. And the 2800 wasn't the first, the first was the 3200+ clawhammer, and the FX-51. Then the 3000+ clawhammer with half the cache disabled, then the 3000+ newcastles, and finally the 2800+ newcastles. They overclock decently, you can get 2.2-2.4ghz out of them, but even a CBBID winchester and an epox mobo is going to hit 2.4ghz and you have dual channel and the PCI-E option.

 

[Jeff7181]

It's not a 64-bit computer until you use a 64-bit OS. Technically the processor is a 64-bit processor... but none of the 64-bit features such as the extra GPR's are available without a 64-bit OS.

And you CAN overclock that processor.

You've been out of the loop for a while, huh?

 

[KayKay]

Athlon 64 s754 2800+ Newcastle - $121

Asus K8N Motherboard - $85

vs:

Athlon 64 s939 3000+ Venice - $151

Asus A8N-E Motherboard - $119

= $64 More
=Worth it

The 3000+ Venice will do 2.7GHz on like stock cooling, benchmarks show it beating out FX-55's on lots of things including gaming and encoding

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjU1

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Starman
Why stay with a dead platform? You're much better off getting a 3000+ Venice and an S939 board. You're not saving that much money by going S754 and it'll kill you ($$$) in the long run thanks to zero upgrade path.

S939 is just as dead as 754 at this point. Both wont last long since AMD will move to DDR2 in 06

 

[theMan]

you wouldnt really wait almost a year for a new computer platform to come out would you? maybe if it was already out, like S939 is, but to wait for M2? thats silly.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: theman
you wouldnt really wait almost a year for a new computer platform to come out would you? maybe if it was already out, like S939 is, but to wait for M2? thats silly.

That's the point. If you want a new PC right now, then socket 939 and S754 are both equally pointless Neither will be particularly useful in 1 years time, so why not go for th echeaper of the two?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: KayKay
The 3000+ Venice will do 2.7GHz on like stock cooling, benchmarks show it beating out FX-55's on lots of things including gaming and encoding

While i completely agree with the Venice being the best choice, saying it will do 2.7 GHz on stock cooling as if it's guaranteed is just foolish.
Nothing is ever guaranteed with OCing.
Saying it should do 2.4 GHz with stock cooling would be a safter statement, since while it may clock higher, i wouldn't call anything more guaranteed at all.

It's just one of my pet peeves when people say something like it's definitive, when it totally is not.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: theman
you wouldnt really wait almost a year for a new computer platform to come out would you? maybe if it was already out, like S939 is, but to wait for M2? thats silly.

That's the point. If you want a new PC right now, then socket 939 and S754 are both equally pointless Neither will be particularly useful in 1 years time, so why not go for th echeaper of the two?

I doubt that DDR2 will offer significant performance improvements for the A64. You won't be losing out on much by going 939.

 

[imported_Starman]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: Starman
Why stay with a dead platform? You're much better off getting a 3000+ Venice and an S939 board. You're not saving that much money by going S754 and it'll kill you ($$$) in the long run thanks to zero upgrade path.

S939 is just as dead as 754 at this point. Both wont last long since AMD will move to DDR2 in 06

No, S939 is dying, but it's not dead. If there are still top of the line processors yet to be released for a platform (X2 *cough*) then it's not dead! S754, by contrast, is dead. It's a budget line afterthought at this point.

 

[shock311]

Originally posted by: zmaster
Alas its the cheap Athlon 2800+ with 512 L2 cache, on a socket 754, but its still a 64 bit computer rite. No more overclocking I guess, as I dont think you can up that CPU. I could be wrong. The mobo Im getting is a Asus K8N. Anyone willing to wish me good luck on doing that?

http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=233&l1=3&l2=14&l3=66

Heres the link to the mobo.

I have my 2800+ OC to 2.4 ghz, stable as stable can be, check out the rig.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: theman
you wouldnt really wait almost a year for a new computer platform to come out would you? maybe if it was already out, like S939 is, but to wait for M2? thats silly.

That's the point. If you want a new PC right now, then socket 939 and S754 are both equally pointless Neither will be particularly useful in 1 years time, so why not go for th echeaper of the two?

ok, but the goal is to get the best computer, or at least one you will pay for right? so why go for something that is obsolete, when you get the newest one. there will always be somthing new coming out in a year, so what? and its not like S939 is that much more expensive than S754 either.

 

[o1die]

I may do the same, just to try athlon 64. Fry's today finally offered an attractive price on a retail boxed athlon 64 2800 with board ($130). It's low end, but the price is reasonable. Sometimes, there's no need to pay for more than you need. The same combo with socket 939 3000 would be at least $100 more.

 

[sangyup81]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: theman
you wouldnt really wait almost a year for a new computer platform to come out would you? maybe if it was already out, like S939 is, but to wait for M2? thats silly.

That's the point. If you want a new PC right now, then socket 939 and S754 are both equally pointless Neither will be particularly useful in 1 years time, so why not go for th echeaper of the two?

I doubt that DDR2 will offer significant performance improvements for the A64. You won't be losing out on much by going 939.

You can say the same for the difference between s754 and s939

just get the s754 and use the extra money on a better video card

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: zmaster
No more overclocking I guess, as I dont think you can up that CPU.

Yeah, my 2800+ doesn't overclock that well, was only able to get it up to 2400MHz from it's default 1800MHz.

Seriously, why would you expect a 2800+ not to overclock? It's a fine chip to overclock. You can get performance of about a 3500+, but at a price less than any S939 setup. Those are the roots of overclocking... extending your value by turning the cheapest in the line into a mid-high range chip.

Realistically, if you overclock what you have chosen, it will perform every bit as well as people with 2.6GHz venices in most games, where the video card will be the performance limit.

There is nothing wrong with the S754 platform aside from the fact that dual cores will be coming for S939 and not S754. S754 is still a very good value for people who don't need extreme performance (and that includes more people than would like to admit it).

 

[sangyup81]

I do like my s939 setup but looking back, it was not worth the extra money.

 

[zmaster]

Sorry 4 not replying sooner. You see people where Im at, to get a new 939 it would cost me an additional 50e over the 754 just for the mobo. To get the new cPU it would cost me additional 150e. Not to mention the fact that I would need a new 6600GT in the PCx form. And the fact that the place I live in isnt high on supply of either, hence the price is astronomical in either case. But thanx for the assist anyways.

 

[Jaimie]

Nothing wrong with going cheap. I bought an Athlon 64 2800+ Socket 754 last september, and it is an amazing chip, hasn't failed me yet, I was able to hit 2.43Ghz. Can't beat value!

 

[milkrocks]

Even though M2 is coming out next summer 939 should be around for awhile thereafter. 939 has been out for quite sometime now and there are still some new S754 choices. Since we already know that X2 will be fully compatible with 939 you will be able to double the processing power on a 939 platform fairly cheaply in the future. (I bet we'll see a sub $250 dual core 939 next summer).

Dual core will never exist on S754. If you spend the additonal $64 now as in the thread above you'll get a faster machine in the short term and will be able to effectively double the processing ability with a simple chip upgrade whenever you see fit.

 

[KayKay]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: KayKay
The 3000+ Venice will do 2.7GHz on like stock cooling, benchmarks show it beating out FX-55's on lots of things including gaming and encoding

While i completely agree with the Venice being the best choice, saying it will do 2.7 GHz on stock cooling as if it's guaranteed is just foolish.
Nothing is ever guaranteed with OCing.
Saying it should do 2.4 GHz with stock cooling would be a safter statement, since while it may clock higher, i wouldn't call anything more guaranteed at all.

It's just one of my pet peeves when people say something like it's definitive, when it totally is not.

maybe poor wording on my part, i wanted to describe the results of the link i posted after that statement. but you're absolutely right that there is no guarantee about OC, just some wishful thinking once you see the results of that particular article