I'm going for socialized healthcare...

cheesehead

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After I get my degree, I hope to start a company designing and building speakers. Problem is, there's no way I'll be able to afford healthcare...which is, for me, a necessity.

Every day, I use expensive medication - I don't have much choice. If I have asthma complications or the like while not covered by medical insurance, it will be declared a "prior condition", and I'll be paying for it for most of my adult life.

I'm aware of the delays related to socialized healthcare - seeing as how I currently need to drive about fourty minutes to get to the nearest urgent care center due to my low-cost insurance, this would be negated by being able to visit the hospital six blocks from my house. As of now, I'm stuck going to the emergency room anyway, as I did two days ago when I broke my ankle. And it still cost me a $100 deductible - in Canada, they'll remove a nail through your hand or put a splint on your ankle for FREE!

Of course, in Cagalry the wait is likely an hour or two longer to see an ER doc than it is here. I'm happy to wait the extra hour or two if it means that I'll be able to walk out the door without being both injured AND in massive amounts of debt.

Or maybe not - around here, a lot of less wealthy folks use the ER as a doctor - they can't afford checkups and visits, so they only go to the hospital when they're on the brink of death. Remember, Burger King and Wal-Mart don't really provide much in the way of medical benifits.

And, yes, I know I'll be paying higher taxes, whether I get socialized healthcare either here or in another country. I'll pay them. As far as I'm concerned, it's the price of being alive.




 

Sinsear

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Cool. How soon you leaving? You can be our test subject; you can tell us how satisfied or not you are with the system.
 

yllus

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I don't believe that merely residing in Canada doesn't make you eligible for "free" healthcare. Until you become a citizen, I believe you'll need a health plan.

I could be incorrec,t but this is based off of dating a very nice girl from Chicago who came up to Toronto to study. Under her student health plan, she was restricted to exactly one hospital and a very few GPs.
 

cheesehead

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Originally posted by: yllus
I don't believe that merely residing in Canada doesn't make you eligible for "free" healthcare. Until you become a citizen, I believe you'll need a health plan.

I could be incorrec,t but this is based off of dating a very nice girl from Chicago who came up to Toronto to study. Under her student health plan, she was restricted to exactly one hospital and a very few GPs.

Well, yes - I'd need to become a citizen. And I would.

As a side note, I'm willing to settle for "one hospital and very few GPs". It's that, or "Every hospital and GP...at full sticker price."



 

Ronstang

Lifer
Jul 8, 2000
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Don't let the door hit you in the arse. Good luck sponging off someone else's system so quickly.
 

JD50

Lifer
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Wow, it cost you grand total of $100 when you broke your ankle. What a rough life you have. :roll:

BTW, can you fill us in on these pre-existing conditions that insurance will not cover, I have never heard of asthma being considered a pre-existing condition that an insurance company will not cover. But I could be wrong, I've never really looked into it.

Edit - I almost forgot, you saying "in Canada, they'll remove a nail through your hand or put a splint on your ankle for FREE! " shows that fantasy world that you are living in.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Cheesehead
And, yes, I know I'll be paying higher taxes, whether I get socialized healthcare either here or in another country. I'll pay them.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the price of being alive.

That's the key right there.

The Republican way is either you are rich and deserve to live or poor/old and should just die.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, it cost you grand total of $100 when you broke your ankle. What a rough life you have. :roll:

BTW, can you fill us in on these pre-existing conditions that insurance will not cover, I have never heard of asthma being considered a pre-existing condition that an insurance company will not cover. But I could be wrong, I've never really looked into it.

Oh please, everything is a "pre-existing condition" now.

Did you ever sneeze once?

That's it, you have pre-exisitng lung disease, no coverage for you!
 

cheesehead

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Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Don't let the door hit you in the arse. Good luck sponging off someone else's system so quickly.

..I intend to start a company, make money, and give the requisite portion to the government - US state government, Canadian, whatever - for wherever I live.

How is that sponging?

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, it cost you grand total of $100 when you broke your ankle. What a rough life you have. :roll:

That was WITH insurance. Remove the insurance, add another "1" in front of the price I listed. (And it's more like $1,500 after radiologist's bills.)

Also, I know some people who lived in Canada. They say that if you get a nail through your hand, the doctors will patch it up for free.

And I'm aware that I'm paying for it through my taxes - it beats not having healthcare at all.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Don't let the door hit you in the arse. Good luck sponging off someone else's system so quickly.

..I intend to start a company, make money, and give the requisite portion to the government - US state government, Canadian, whatever - for wherever I live.

How is that sponging?

Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, it cost you grand total of $100 when you broke your ankle. What a rough life you have. :roll:

That was WITH insurance. Remove the insurance, add another "1" in front of the price I listed. (And it's more like $1,500 after radiologist's bills.)

Also, I know some people who lived in Canada. They say that if you get a nail through your hand, the doctors will patch it up for free.

And I'm aware that I'm paying for it through my taxes - it beats not having healthcare at all.

I understand that it was $100 with insurance, thats the whole point of having insurance. Thank you for making my point for me.

Also, as far as your buddies in Canada are concerned, it just shows how brain washed they are when they tell you that they are getting free medical care. You even called it free, then immediately admitted that you would be paying for it through your taxes. It is not free.
 

ModerateRepZero

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Of course, in Cagalry the wait is likely an hour or two longer to see an ER doc than it is here. I'm happy to wait the extra hour or two if it means that I'll be able to walk out the door without being both injured AND in massive amounts of debt.

If you ever get something which requires IMMEDIATE treatment such as a heart attack....you're going to regret valuing cost over speed/efficiency.
 

JD50

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What are your pre-existing conditions that will preclude you from getting health insurance, even though you admittedly already have health insurance?
 

Genx87

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I'd be interested in knowing how a massive asthma attack wokrs out when waiting for 2 hours
 

gclg2000

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cool.

Maybe I'll get a raise or cheaper stock options (nurse)... Maybe thats one less HCA hospital that will have to foot your bill from now on.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd be interested in knowing how a massive asthma attack wokrs out when waiting for 2 hours


Yea, but at least he won't have to make the $100 co-pay/deductible.
 

cheesehead

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Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
Of course, in Cagalry the wait is likely an hour or two longer to see an ER doc than it is here. I'm happy to wait the extra hour or two if it means that I'll be able to walk out the door without being both injured AND in massive amounts of debt.

If you ever get something which requires IMMEDIATE treatment such as a heart attack....you're going to regret valuing cost over speed/efficiency.

From what I hear, it's not the ER visit that's slow - it's just that you won't have the same access to cardiologists. On the other hand, that's pretty meaningless if you can't afford cardiologists.

Originally posted by: JD50
What are your pre-existing conditions that will preclude you from getting health insurance, even though you admittedly already have health insurance?

Student insurance. Which is moot as soon as I'm out the door.

Originally posted by: JD50

I understand that it was $100 with insurance, thats the whole point of having insurance. Thank you for making my point for me.

Also, as far as your buddies in Canada are concerned, it just shows how brain washed they are when they tell you that they are getting free medical care. You even called it free, then immediately admitted that you would be paying for it through your taxes. It is not free.

Well, yes and no. The big problem for small business is that if one person gets ill, the rates skyrocket for everyone. If, however, a national population is part of the same program, one person getting sick won't cost a fortune for everyone else.

Also, I won't be making much - if any- income for a while. During that period, any medical care I get will be, in fact, free. And when, once I start making money, someone else in the nation gets laid off and needs medical care, it will be my taxes that pay for him.



 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd be interested in knowing how a massive asthma attack wokrs out when waiting for 2 hours


Yea, but at least he won't have to make the $100 co-pay/deductible.

True, at least not upfront. His taxes will instead reflect a 6,000 dollar copay.

Sounds like he is getting his moneys worth right there. Paying 6,000 bucks to die because you are rationed in an ER.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero
Of course, in Cagalry the wait is likely an hour or two longer to see an ER doc than it is here. I'm happy to wait the extra hour or two if it means that I'll be able to walk out the door without being both injured AND in massive amounts of debt.

If you ever get something which requires IMMEDIATE treatment such as a heart attack....you're going to regret valuing cost over speed/efficiency.

Really? You have proof of this?

Actually that sounds like a cost reduction dream, dead people can't ring up a tab.
 

cheesehead

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Originally posted by: Genx87


True, at least not upfront. His taxes will instead reflect a 6,000 dollar copay.

Sounds like he is getting his moneys worth right there. Paying 6,000 bucks to die because you are rationed in an ER.

Say wha? It's hard to get checkups, sure, but I have yet to hear of problems with ERs in Canada.

As a side note, a lot of poor people use the ER, too. Guess who has to foot the bill when, after working for minimum wage all your life, you don't even have enough savings to pay for the ambulance?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Originally posted by: Genx87


True, at least not upfront. His taxes will instead reflect a 6,000 dollar copay.

Sounds like he is getting his moneys worth right there. Paying 6,000 bucks to die because you are rationed in an ER.

Say wha? It's hard to get checkups, sure, but I have yet to hear of problems with ERs in Canada.

As a side note, a lot of poor people use the ER, too. Guess who has to foot the bill when, after working for minimum wage all your life, you don't even have enough savings to pay for the ambulance?


What moron stays at minimum wage for their entire life? I got a raise above minimum wage when I was 15 and working at McDonalds.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Originally posted by: Genx87


True, at least not upfront. His taxes will instead reflect a 6,000 dollar copay.

Sounds like he is getting his moneys worth right there. Paying 6,000 bucks to die because you are rationed in an ER.

Say wha? It's hard to get checkups, sure, but I have yet to hear of problems with ERs in Canada.

As a side note, a lot of poor people use the ER, too. Guess who has to foot the bill when, after working for minimum wage all your life, you don't even have enough savings to pay for the ambulance?

Really? Then why did you blab this?

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Of course, in Cagalry the wait is likely an hour or two longer to see an ER doc than it is here. I'm happy to wait the extra hour or two if it means that I'll be able to walk out the door without being both injured AND in massive amounts of debt.

Tis a mystery :Q
 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Originally posted by: Genx87


True, at least not upfront. His taxes will instead reflect a 6,000 dollar copay.

Sounds like he is getting his moneys worth right there. Paying 6,000 bucks to die because you are rationed in an ER.

Say wha? It's hard to get checkups, sure, but I have yet to hear of problems with ERs in Canada.

As a side note, a lot of poor people use the ER, too. Guess who has to foot the bill when, after working for minimum wage all your life, you don't even have enough savings to pay for the ambulance?


What moron stays at minimum wage for their entire life? I got a raise above minimum wage when I was 15 and working at McDonalds.


My guess is the same people who believe socialized healthcare is free

People who are so coked up they dont even know what planet they are on.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Originally posted by: yllus
I don't believe that merely residing in Canada doesn't make you eligible for "free" healthcare. Until you become a citizen, I believe you'll need a health plan.

I could be incorrec,t but this is based off of dating a very nice girl from Chicago who came up to Toronto to study. Under her student health plan, she was restricted to exactly one hospital and a very few GPs.

Well, yes - I'd need to become a citizen. And I would.

As a side note, I'm willing to settle for "one hospital and very few GPs". It's that, or "Every hospital and GP...at full sticker price."

When I lived in France I was covered under the national health care system. as I understood it, you didn't have to be a citizen (I wasn't) merely a participant in the social security system.

Fern

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: JD50
What moron stays at minimum wage for their entire life?

I got a raise above minimum wage when I was 15 and working at McDonalds.

Are Morons not Americans?

Should they just die because they are Morons?

What?

 
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