I'm going Homeless.. Need help on Tent and Woodstove in Wilderness

[cheez]

Guys,
I can't keep up anymore with rent and bills as I keep losing my job. I'm already 1 month behind on rent and 2 months behind on car payment. I can't pay my utility bills and car insurance.

And I will owe about $4k on my credit card. I will have to terminate rent contract and get out of the apartment very soon... in a matter of few weeks.

I have no choice but to move to the wilderness. I hope to move close to where the homeless people stay at... I have known them for a few years hope that they accept me. I haven't talked to them yet.. planning to go there to talk to them.
I'm thinking of buying a Snugpak bunker shelter tent -> https://www.amazon.com/SnugPak-9289...n+tent&qid=1553134810&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0& but I have no idea how to go about setting up a woodstove to be used for heating and cooking. It needs to be protected from rain. How do I go about setting it up and what do you recommend?? Obviously it would have to be setup outside the tent.. I can't even build me a little bunkhouse out of wood pallets cause I have no knowledge or experience building it myself... At least the tent will get me started.

I am in deep trouble financially. I've been suffering from this for the last few years. I hit a wall now.

 

[Mai72]

Are you serious?

If so, I'm sorry. Do you have friends or relatives so you can get the help you need?

 

[Red Squirrel]

Do you live in a really expensive area? A better alternative to being homeless might be to take whatever money you do have and just move somewhere cheaper.

With costs of living constantly going up I'll be in the same boat eventually so I'll probably move somewhere off grid so I can have more land and room for solar panels and various infrastructure so I can generate my own power, water, heat, etc. Less taxes and hardly no bills that way. If you're not fussy about being able to drive to your land, you can find land like that for like 15k or even less in some places. Of course there is some upfront costs to getting a well drilled and stuff though... but it's still going to be cheaper than paying rent and paying all the bills you normally would in the city.

 

[lxskllr]

I thought you had a tiny house or something? Is this a new troll? You can get a free tarp from harborfreight. Could probably use two of them...

 

[cheez]

Are you serious?

If so, I'm sorry. Do you have friends or relatives so you can get the help you need?

No I have no friends or relatives I'm the only one (no brothers and sisters either). I don't want to move to my parents house for room and board.

Do you live in a really expensive area? A better alternative to being homeless might be to take whatever money you do have and just move somewhere cheaper.

With costs of living constantly going up I'll be in the same boat eventually so I'll probably move somewhere off grid so I can have more land and room for solar panels and various infrastructure so I can generate my own power, water, heat, etc. Less taxes and hardly no bills that way. If you're not fussy about being able to drive to your land, you can find land like that for like 15k or even less in some places. Of course there is some upfront costs to getting a well drilled and stuff though... but it's still going to be cheaper than paying rent and paying all the bills you normally would in the city.

I live in poor area where the apartment is pretty cheap, but I can't even afford that anymore.. Rent and car payment are the biggest problem for me. Rent is $569 and car payment is $267 but I'm a month behind on rent and two months behind on car payment and currently not paying electric bill and insurance. The bank will need to repo my car soon.... That means I need to either buy me a cheap $1000 car or fix me a bicycle to get to work...
I can charge a few things on my credit card... but gotta keep costs down.

I really need help on setting up wood stove..
1) How to keep myself warm for at least several hours..
2) Be able to cook on stove top
3) Be able to function even in the rain...

The place I'm thinking about moving to is a wilderness it's mostly trees.

 

[cheez]

I thought you had a tiny house or something? Is this a new troll? You can get a free tarp from harborfreight. Could probably use two of them...

I bought a tiny house some months ago but lost my job when my tiny house got delivered.. I had them pick it back up but I did not get a refund on the down payment.. I lost about $1,600. It was a disaster..
So I can place tarp over the woodstove? It's not gonna burn the tarp? I'm clueless on these things.

 

[nutxo]

I bought a tiny house some months ago but lost my job when my tiny house got delivered.. I had them pick it back up but I did not get a refund on the down payment.. I lost about $1,600. It was a disaster..
So I can place tarp over the woodstove? It's not gonna burn the tarp? I'm clueless on these things.

You cant set anything on a stove. Look up gasifier . Fuel is free and you can boil a few cups of water in a few minutes.

 

[cheez]

You cant set anything on a stove. Look up gasifier . Fuel is free and you can boil a few cups of water in a few minutes.

You mean like this one? https://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Proof...ords=gasifier&qid=1553731842&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Does it keep you warm in the cold for several hours? and can I set a tarp over this? and thanks for the suggestion.

 

[kage69]

I bought a tiny house some months ago but lost my job when my tiny house got delivered.. I had them pick it back up but I did not get a refund on the down payment.. I lost about $1,600. It was a disaster..
So I can place tarp over the woodstove? It's not gonna burn the tarp? I'm clueless on these things.

Assuming you're not trolling, which is a suspicion after seeing "I have known them for a few years hope that they accept me. I haven't talked to them yet."

I think the bolded above is a bad combination honestly, be really careful. A kerosene heater may be safer and more cost effective for you, but keep in mind the need for ventilation. The "Littlebuddy" propane heaters are good for hunting and icefishing, but as the main source of heat long term it will be expensive. And again ventilation. A camp stove and proper tent with accommodating (and shielded) chimney port (the elk camp special) is probably what you are thinking of. Something like this Hook up one of these inside Put that 'retrofitting a plastic Chinese tent to take a stove' idea out of your head.

Living on the ground in late winter/early spring? Maybe get a van, do some van living/camping until you get things sorted out more? Unless things are absolute shit with the parents, I'd reconsider a brief stay - give yourself a finite amount of time with which to make arrangements, set yourself a move out date. Make parents aware of that date, offer to pay for room and board. Bite the bullet, use a month or two to land new job, save up, get back on your feet. You'd do that for your kid wouldn't you?

Living off the grid, as someone with little experience in the outdoors it sounds like (no offense), will definitely get old fast. I second the 'move to less expensive place' recommendation. Where are you? The need for a stove says up north. So many places hiring in New England, I see Help Wanted everywhere in VT. For not a lot of cash, you can get yourself into an 8 week course for heavy equipment operation and come out looking at an immediate job paying $62k+ Any web skills? Do work remotely and get paid to move, it will subsidize your living expenses. College areas mean apartments, get a roommate.

I think you should take the attitude you have towards homeless people and instead apply it towards successful people who want to help. Persist until you don't have to worry about paying bills.

 

[nutxo]

You mean like this one? https://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Proof...ords=gasifier&qid=1553731842&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Does it keep you warm in the cold for several hours? and can I set a tarp over this? and thanks for the suggestion.

You mean like this one? https://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Proof...ords=gasifier&qid=1553731842&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Does it keep you warm in the cold for several hours? and can I set a tarp over this? and thanks for the suggestion.

Something like this https://www.amazon.com/SOLEADER-Por...ocphy=9033484&hvtargid=pla-348816595649&psc=1 is more reasonable. It can heat water and food. As for heat I would just plan on dressing warm and spending a lot of time in a sleeping bag or something. Luckily summer is coming.

More realistically since you have a job you should look into staying in a shelter until you get back on your feet.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You need a proper flue and stuff to make sure you don't gas yourself. I would find something metal, and then some ductwork pipe, maybe a small metal bucket or something, and get some tin snips and make something crude. You don't want to get the fire TOO hot but it should be able to keep you warm.

Back when I used to camp we used to make small camp fires inside coffee cans during fire bans since they were small enough to not really be seen from a plane and could be doused quickly. Could do something like that, but build a small flue to get the smoke out of the tent. You want it to burn slow to get the most out of your wood so I would maybe have some kind of damper setup.

I would focus on trying to find a place to live though. See if there is cheap land in your area, you can build a small cabin as a start and keep adding to it. You'll want to find a place that is in an unorganized township though, otherwise you need permits and other BS like that, which will cost too much and restrict you too much.

One option might be to build a teepee, they are simple enough, and are surprisingly warm when you get a fire going in one.

 

[cheez]

Assuming you're not trolling, which is a suspicion after seeing "I have known them for a few years hope that they accept me. I haven't talked to them yet."

I think the bolded above is a bad combination honestly, be really careful. A kerosene heater may be safer and more cost effective for you, but keep in mind the need for ventilation. The "Littlebuddy" propane heaters are good for hunting and icefishing, but as the main source of heat long term it will be expensive. And again ventilation. A camp stove and proper tent with accommodating (and shielded) chimney port (the elk camp special) is probably what you are thinking of. Something like this Hook up one of these inside Put that 'retrofitting a plastic Chinese tent to take a stove' idea out of your head.

Living on the ground in late winter/early spring? Maybe get a van, do some van living/camping until you get things sorted out more? Unless things are absolute shit with the parents, I'd reconsider a brief stay - give yourself a finite amount of time with which to make arrangements, set yourself a move out date. Make parents aware of that date, offer to pay for room and board. Bite the bullet, use a month or two to land new job, save up, get back on your feet. You'd do that for your kid wouldn't you?

Living off the grid, as someone with little experience in the outdoors it sounds like (no offense), will definitely get old fast. I second the 'move to less expensive place' recommendation. Where are you? The need for a stove says up north. So many places hiring in New England, I see Help Wanted everywhere in VT. For not a lot of cash, you can get yourself into an 8 week course for heavy equipment operation and come out looking at an immediate job paying $62k+ Any web skills? Do work remotely and get paid to move, it will subsidize your living expenses. College areas mean apartments, get a roommate.

I think you should take the attitude you have towards homeless people and instead apply it towards successful people who want to help. Persist until you don't have to worry about paying bills.

I'm not trolling you ignorant... I am in serious trouble... and can't generate stable income. In some jobs I can't even last 8 hours first day of the week. Sometimes I'm without a job for a month cause I can't find one. Even if I get hired I lose my job in a few days or a few weeks at max. The links you provided for the tent costs $899+. I can't afford that. $250 is best I can do for a tent.. and upto $100 for woodstove.

I am NOT going back to my parents house. They "would" help me to get situated by providing me money and place to sleep but they expect me to get a better job... as if I am obligated to their requirements. I CAN'T get better job God won't let me. Even with shitty job my life is freaking nightmare.... And I can't get the job I want either. It's like I'm someone's slave.... soon I may go mentally retarded. I have no choice but to move out to the wilderness. Some of the homeless folks I have known them for a year or two as I have helped them in the past. I used to give charity (money and food) regularly / weekly. That's how the heck I know them.

 

[skull]

Bud you need some mental help seriously, that tiny house thread was proof enough. Now you want to go live in the woods with drunks and drug addicts thinking your going to show up with gear like your going on camping trip. Not going to work out.

You need to figure out why you keep losing jobs, if you have one now keep it. Don't leave the apartment stay until they kick you out but try to catch up on rent before that happens. Forget the car and insurance. Go with the cheap car or bus/bike. Your not fighting hard enough don't just throw your hands up and say oh Ill just go live in the woods. Go get a second job to catch up, get on craigslist gigs section and go work odd jobs. Something christ.

Anyone giving this guy advice on a woodstove and how to live in the woods is a fucking idiot. Atleast nutxos on the right track saying a shelter is a better idea because its a way better one.

 

[skull]

I'm not trolling you ignorant... I am in serious trouble... and can't generate stable income. In some jobs I can't even last 8 hours first day of the week. Sometimes I'm without a job for a month cause I can't find one. Even if I get hired I lose my job in a few days or a few weeks at max. The links you provided for the tent costs $899+. I can't afford that. $250 is best I can do for a tent.. and upto $100 for woodstove.

I am NOT going back to my parents house. They "would" help me to get situated by providing me money and place to sleep but they expect me to get a better job... as if I am obligated to their requirements. I CAN'T get better job God won't let me. Even with shitty job my life is freaking nightmare.... And I can't get the job I want either. It's like I'm someone's slave.... soon I may go mentally retarded. I have no choice but to move out to the wilderness. Some of the homeless folks I have known them for a year or two as I have helped them in the past. I used to give charity (money and food) regularly / weekly. That's how the heck I know them.

How do you manage to keep getting fired on your first day? Even when I was shooting dope and being a terrible employee in my younger days I managed weeks at time at jobs.

 

[cheez]

Bud you need some mental help seriously, that tiny house thread was proof enough. Now you want to go live in the woods with drunks and drug addicts thinking your going to show up with gear like your going on camping trip. Not going to work out.

You need to figure out why you keep losing jobs, if you have one now keep it. Don't leave the apartment stay until they kick you out but try to catch up on rent before that happens. Forget the car and insurance. Go with the cheap car or bus/bike. Your not fighting hard enough don't just throw your hands up and say oh Ill just go live in the woods. Go get a second job to catch up, get on craigslist gigs section and go work odd jobs. Something christ.

I'm not trying hard enough? You wouldn't say crap like that if you were in my shoes. You don't understand my situation it's not that simple as getting a job and work. If it was that easy then I would be able to keep my job for many months if not years just like many people out there. My situation is different. You would know once you face it.

How do you manage to keep getting fired on your first day? Even when I was shooting dope and being a terrible employee in my younger days I managed weeks at time at jobs.

Me lasting a job for weeks takes supernatural miracle... I have to deal with spiritual warfare which is why I can't last a few days at work. If it wasn't for that I would be able to last jobs like you do or everyone else here.

 

[skull]

Your worried about getting the job you want and don't want to be someones slave but are fine with going and living in the woods. Your priorities are fucked. You should be thinking I better work 10x times harder than this guy expects me too at this shitty job so I don't end up in the god damn woods.

I pulled myself out of the gutter with a better attitude. I went and did those terrible jobs and worked harder than anyone around me. Its payed off beyond my expectations at the time.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I CAN'T get better job God won't let me.

.... soon I may go mentally retarded.

Bud you need some mental help seriously,

...
Medication can help. Maybe hook up with a social-services organization? But the downside is, you've got some other person / organization trying to steer you life (if you're not careful).

 

[Hoober]

I'm not trying hard enough? You wouldn't say crap like that if you were in my shoes. You don't understand my situation it's not that simple as getting a job and work. If it was that easy then I would be able to keep my job for many months if not years just like many people out there. My situation is different. You would know once you face it.


Me lasting a job for weeks takes supernatural miracle... I have to deal with spiritual warfare which is why I can't last a few days at work. If it wasn't for that I would be able to last jobs like you do or everyone else here.

I mean - I've been around, but what is spiritual warfare?

 

[skull]

Me lasting a job for weeks takes supernatural miracle... I have to deal with spiritual warfare which is why I can't last a few days at work. If it wasn't for that I would be able to last jobs like you do or everyone else here.

Like I said in the beginning mental help, take the meds they give you.

 

[skull]

Also with your issues you should be getting help from the state. In my area you would go down to what they call jobs and family services.

 

[cheez]

I mean - I've been around, but what is spiritual warfare?

Demons attacking you mentally, spiritually. The stress level can be 10 times harder than the physical world.

 

[Hoober]

Demons attacking you mentally, spiritually. The stress level can be 10 times harder than the physical world.

Ok. Then I think Skull's got some good ideas.

 

[Hoober]

Demons attacking you mentally, spiritually. The stress level can be 10 times harder than the physical world.

Oh - as far as the original questions, since we've all devolved from answering that shit in the last decade - you want your stove outside your shelter if you're working with a typical tent set up. Sucks in the rain and snow. Tin foil is far better than any sort of plastic to try and shelter your meals while they cook. It's cheaper, too.

Also, since you've obviously got some kind of data connection, Google is fucking amazing.

 

[cheez]

Ok. Then I think Skull's got some good ideas.

I don't need mental help because the problem comes right back it never ends. No medicine will solve that (it will only make it worse).

Back on topic. I need some help on what wood stove to buy and setup.

I am looking at this one -> https://www.amazon.com/Kotulas-2102...ds=wood+stove&qid=1553729155&s=gateway&sr=8-7 $100
or this one -> https://www.amazon.com/US-Stove-BSK...=B000IO6RAA&psc=1&refRID=SQ1TYN230NPBY29SMZBD $45

I need good heating because it's still cold out here even though summer is approaching. In the morning it's down to high 30's. And in the rain it's gonna get cold.

 

[cheez]

Something like this https://www.amazon.com/SOLEADER-Por...ocphy=9033484&hvtargid=pla-348816595649&psc=1 is more reasonable. It can heat water and food. As for heat I would just plan on dressing warm and spending a lot of time in a sleeping bag or something. Luckily summer is coming.

More realistically since you have a job you should look into staying in a shelter until you get back on your feet.

That's too small... I don't think it will do good job warming me in the cold.