I'm going to sound like a hipster, but you should only buy music on vinyl

Rakehellion

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I just put on an old Stevie Wonder album and the sound quality was way, waaaay better than compressed audio. All I've listened to for the past several years has been 256k AAC and I'm ashamed to say that technology has failed us. D:

Where can I get audio in 96kHz and 24-bit?
 

z1ggy

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Too bad I can't carry around a record player in my pocket, or connect it via Bluetooth to my car.
 
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Your audio experience is far more dictated by your speakers themselves. Are you sure that was equal?

Also, doesn't matter much if you buy new vinyl, they're fucking everything at the mastering stage which means they're fucking all versions (although vinyl does sometimes get a different one). But you can get old vinyl but keeping that in good shape can be a pain and you'll pay for it.

Unfortunately for alternatives we're getting bullshit like Neil Young's Ponyo which in no way fixes the actual problem. If they'd stop ruining music when mixing/mastering, then 128k MP3s would even sound pretty good.
 
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nageov3t

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fair enough, let me just hookup a solar-powered record player to my chest to take on the subway with me... fingers crossed no one bumps into me or the train comes to a short stop!
 

lxskllr

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Vinyl eats shit. Assuming it does sound better than digital when new, and I don't concede that, but am willing to consider it; that's the best it'll ever sound. It gets marginally worse every play after until it's a muddy mess. That's not even getting into the convenience aspect. The only way it could get less convenient is to play the damned music yourself...
 

Newell Steamer

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Vinyl eats shit. Assuming it does sound better than digital when new, and I don't concede that, but am willing to consider it; that's the best it'll ever sound. It gets marginally worse every play after until it's a muddy mess. That's not even getting into the convenience aspect. The only way it could get less convenient is to play the damned music yourself...

Amen.
 

Rakehellion

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Vinyl eats shit. Assuming it does sound better than digital when new, and I don't concede that, but am willing to consider it; that's the best it'll ever sound. It gets marginally worse every play after until it's a muddy mess. That's not even getting into the convenience aspect. The only way it could get less convenient is to play the damned music yourself...

Now that's hipster. :hmm:
 

Rakehellion

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Your audio experience is far more dictated by your speakers themselves. Are you sure that was equal?

It's definitely the medium.

Also, doesn't matter much if you buy new vinyl, they're fucking everything at the mastering stage which means they're fucking all versions (although vinyl does sometimes get a different one). But you can get old vinyl but keeping that in good shape can be a pain and you'll pay for it.

Radio, CD, MP3, vinyl, web, and pretty much every distribution method each gets a different master if it's in the budget.
 

zanejohnson

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if you cant hear the difference between a 256kbps MP3 and lossless, you are either near deaf, or on some mediocre equipment....


i run yamaha seperates, Phase Linear powered monitors, and a DIY sub (2 10" drivers) powered by an Altec Lansing 200x2
 

GagHalfrunt

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I just put on an old Stevie Wonder album and the sound quality was way, waaaay better than compressed audio. All I've listened to for the past several years has been 256k AAC and I'm ashamed to say that technology has failed us. D:


No, if you accept badly compressed audio you've failed yourself. There are a whole host of audio options that are better than low bitrate mp3s AND better than vinyl.
 
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It's definitely the medium.



Radio, CD, MP3, vinyl, web, and pretty much every distribution method each gets a different master if it's in the budget.

I disagree. Unless you're one of those people who magically hears liquid gold earsex from vinyl (which is more a psychological thing and is pretty much proven to be BS), the real difference isn't the medium, its the version of the recording. The problem is you've been listening to modern produced music (even if its old, you're likely hearing "remastered" versions if you've been listening to AAC versions).

I'm assuming this is an old record, or maybe a repressing of an old record master as its source? The difference you're hearing isn't about it being vinyl but about it coming from an era when production/mastering didn't ruin shit for the sake of it.

From what I've gathered that's not true these days. Vinyl might and maybe if its a special mastered version (like on HDTracks or Linn Music), which sometimes is actually a completely different recording, but now they put almost the same shit everywhere (it might be different format but you're just deluding yourself if you think there's a drastically different mixing that would make up for all the shit they'd already done to ruin it). Radio, download, and CD are all coming from the same shitty produced source these days. They might tweak it some (they claim that for the "Mastered for iTunes" or whatever BS them and Apple tried to come up with, but those don't actually sound better). Things can sound different on radio because its being broadcast analog (unless its a digital form), and if you're lucky it might still be coming from an analog source but most radio stations are just streaming a digital file from a computer/server.

Even comparing the mastering differences, your speakers still have every bit as large an impact on the sound you get.

Also, don't be one of those fucking idiots that goes home to a quiet suburban house and just focuses on listening to music while you're drunk/high and then complains how it sounds so much better than you listening to your iPod/phone and $20 earbuds while you're on the train, or walking a down a busy street, like the only difference is the fact one is MP3 and the other is vinyl.
 
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if you cant hear the difference between a 256kbps MP3 and lossless, you are either near deaf, or on some mediocre equipment....


i run yamaha seperates, Phase Linear powered monitors, and a DIY sub (2 10" drivers) powered by an Altec Lansing 200x2

If you take the exact same file, make a copy/conversion to 256kbps MP3 (assuming its not an encoder that specifically does things to enhance certain parts of the audio spectrum) and compare it to the lossless (or even uncompressed) original, most people wouldn't be able to discern the difference, even with high quality speakers. Even fewer people would be able to correctly discern which one was the "higher quality" one with any consistency.
 
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The "awesome sound" or Vinyl is 100% due to the fact that the playback is inherently imperfect and sounds different than the technically perfect playback from a cd. Vinyl is actually lower quality playback, it just happens that in this case, that lower quality "sounds" better/

A properly mastered CD and a proper FLAC rip from a CD will always be better than the best Vinyl recording. Vinyl also degrades with each play while CD/FLAC will always sound the same.
 

JulesMaximus

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I actually bought a CD recently and it must be compressed more than normal because I don't remember CDs sounding this bad.
 
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If you haven't hired the actual band to perform the song for you live in your custom-built soundproof studio, you aren't getting the true sound of the music, and you're a cancer on society.
 

CZroe

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audiophile here, and i agree....


vinyl>DVDA>cd>flac>anything compressed

You have a fundamental misunderstanding. CD is EQUAL to FLAC. They result in absolutely identical bit-for-bit perfect copies of each other (waveform output). Hell, if anything, FLAC is superior because CDs have almost no error correction. Different copies from the same master might have imperfections and scratches and contaminates will change the output. What you mean is "...CD=lossless compression>lossy compression"

FLAC, ALAC, APE, WMA lossless, etc will all result in a perfect duplication of the source digital waveform (typically, Redbook CD audio).
 
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tHa ShIzNiT

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too much effort required. not enough return on the effort. i'll have to stick with my poverty mp3s.

edit: although, fundamentally I don't necessarily disagree with the op
 

MongGrel

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I've still a lot of old vinyl I have laying around I never listen to.

I actually saw someone that had made a Vinyl Cutter, for converting from digital to make you're own records.

Not something I'd do, but a guess are even doing that with tube amps etc.

Seems overly steam punk to me.

I doubt even the steam punk bands are doing it in reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeEI-hh3MG0
 
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